In the Northern Ireland squad to face Serbia and Slovenia in a couple of weeks...so you had better be quick.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
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In the Northern Ireland squad to face Serbia and Slovenia in a couple of weeks...so you had better be quick.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Gorman is tied to Northern IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Well know it's a concept the North doesn't like to contemplate, but my context related to the future, as in plenty of their reserves and U-21's of their own being born on the Brit mainland. And why shouldn't they be....
Just mind the hypocrisy!
As for the U-21 rankings, given our joint woeful standings, maybe we should have a combined team in future??
;)
Fair play NB, though won't Maik Taylor be peed-off by some relative 'blow-in', or will he be glad of the rest??
IMHO, should probably stick with him for the rst of the campaign, unless he's gone seriously downhill, form-wise?
Given your recent U-21 performnces you'd struggle to persuade San Marino or Andorra to a merger.
Euro 2011 U-21 qualifying aggregate table (of each team's results against the four other highest-ranked teams in their group)
41, Kazakhstan 5
41, Lithuania 5
43, Bulgaria 4
43, Luxembourg 4
43, Albania 4
43, Azerbaijan 4
47, R Ireland 3
48, Macedonia 2
49, Andorra 0
49, Liechtenstein 0
49, San Marino 0
49, Malta 0
Taylor is far too professional to worry about competition for his place- 'blow in' or otherwise.
Lee Camp is playing well, regularly, for Forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Maik is hardly getting a look in at Brum.
It's a tough call, but I have little doubt that Camp will play some part in the next 2 games. He's our future "No 1".
If you say so....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
;)
How good is he? I see that he was an unused substitute in PNE's 3-0 victory last night
He's good enough for the worst first team in English D2, presumably?
He's good enough to be considered an option for our U21 squad. He's good enough to play senior football for NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Well, not if he's sub!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
;)
He's played about 25 games D2 for them this term. Maybe he was better when he was in the NI squad.
We only have Worthington's word for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Possibly Barton told Worthington a yarn just to get him off his case and didn't know how to break to him that he would prefer to declare for the FAI.
Aren't two people (NW and an unnamed IFA spokesman) referred in that BBC article? I think it's probably a fair idea of what Barton said.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Aye, possibly. Although posibly not, given his willingness to play in our Morocco friendly two months later.Quote:
Possibly Barton told Worthington a yarn just to get him off his case and didn't know how to break to him that he would prefer to declare for the FAI
Unlike ye lot, I keep an open mind and being a wise man I do not take the IFA's word as gospel.
There is nothing in that article directly quoting Barton.
The article is maybe a fair representation of how the IFA see it but it is not a representation of Barton's own opinions.
Who knows why he turned up to join the IFA squad, maybe Worthington invited him to the IFA set up and Barton being a polite lad accepted, but always knowing that he did not have to do that for rest of time, i.e. what exists in his international career.
I wouldn't condemn a teenager for life, for making a mistake. I'd be of a similar opinion to Yard of Pace on this matter.
Do you think you have unique powers of open-mindedness then? Not so. I also have an open mind about some of the baloney NW comes out with. But in this case it sounds plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
How do you know? He may have changed his mind again (and again). You have no idea what he said to Worthington, Worthington does and has mentioned it in the media.Quote:
The article is maybe a fair representation of how the IFA see it but it is not a representation of Barton's own opinions
He does, I hope.Quote:
Who knows why he turned up to join the IFA squad
That's generous of you, but I doubt anyone is condemning him for life. Unless you think that and chiding him for being a time-waster are the same thing.Quote:
I wouldn't condemn a teenager for life, for making a mistake
Whilst the territory does not equate to the administrative jurisdiction of the FAI under the most literal of interpretations, it is clear that the latter is indeed the case; shock, horror! Evidently so, FIFA deem the jurisdiction of the IFA to be the territory of the FAI for the purposes of their rules on player nationality; it is a territory from which automatic and permanent Irish nationality is granted, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Didn't geysir explain all this to you here, even mentioning how Howard Wells was on record saying he'd requested clarification from FIFA's legal department on how Alex Bruce is eligible to play for us through merely having a northern-born grandparent?
:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Maybe of more use to you would be the question of whether or not Barton held Irish nationality at the time of representing Northern Ireland, seeing as Irish nationality acquired through an Irish grandparent is not automatic from birth, nor does it take retroactive effect once granted. Truth be told, I'd actually be interested in knowing that myself. If the IFA were on the ball here, and I know chances of that may be rather slim, there could be a lovely Summer holiday to Lausanne in the pipeline for another lucky underling out of this. Just so long as this one remembers to bring the wording of the correct statute with him! (That would be article 18.1 (a), of course.)
I think the point geysir is making is that NW is a liar....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
He is merely saying that nothing has actually been said by Barton on the issue. That NW in the past has been suspect in certain issues. Given these(previous incidents as opposed to this) he is saying that he wouldn't believe what NW says, until he hears both sides of the storY(ies) at least
As for IFA plausibility,
it is quite obvious that the IFA had not a clue what Barton was thinking. It is quite obvious that Barton had little inclination or desire to 'to remain eligible for England' and it's quite obvious that was not his reason for his withdrawal from the IFA squad.
So was the England thing a Facade.
Or is Ireland the next logical stepping stone to ENgland....;D
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
However, the IFA would be better served in investing their, limited, resources in players who want to play for Northern Ireland.
What I read in the BT article,Quote:
So was the England thing a Facade.
'Barton was remaining tight-lipped'
The IFA assume to read Barton's thoughts.
He (and you) can believe or not as you please, once you've heard AB's side of the story. Which I suspect you won't. He, or his agent, will just ignore the issue to avoid either a) accusing NW of lying, or b) possibly being caught out as a fibber himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's not obvious at all. As I suggested, it's plausible that ABQuote:
Originally Posted by Geysir
c) gave NB the explanation the latter claimed, back in September
d) may genuinely have meant it at the time (and in November, when he played for NI)
e) changed his mind when the FAI came calling.
But like I said, he revealed himself to be a timewaster in September. NW should have told him to bugger off then.
Is he afraid of the Dentist?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Don't tar me with the same brush as geysir. I never said what I thought, or my opinion, was or is on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Northern Ireland: rarely qualify, straightforward for an English D2 player to make the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
England: basically the reverse
RoI: neither.
I didn't tar either of you with any brush, nor even imply that you agreed with each other. I merely suggested you were welcome to your opinion(s).Quote:
Don't tar me with the same brush as geysir. I never said what I thought, or my opinion, was or is on the matter.
Shop Window.
The 47th best U-21 team in Europe isn't really a shop window, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I wouldn't put any value on OWC opinions where they assume to read the thoughts of players who choose to declare for the FAI, after they have played some form of representative football for the IFA. OWC opinions are generally an exercise in prejudice, cynicism and denigration.
In reality Barton's choice is no different than the (much OWC maligned) decisions of Shane Duffy, Darron Gibson and Daniel Kearns.
How very open-minded of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
All I'm doing is guessing at people's motives based on what they do and say (albeit quoted at second hand in the abence of direct interview).
Miaow! If that includes me personally, some evidence please. Blowing off steam don't count.Quote:
OWC opinions are generally an exercise in prejudice, cynicism and denigration
It's bad enough the two (Irish) Associations squibbling over Irishmen, but it's quite something when it kicks off over an Englishman.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Something to talk about when we visit Mr Stokes's bar in May.:D
Cheers, NB. I'll bring me uke and we'll have a sing-song. "My eyes have seen the glory..."
Rule Britannia brother.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
At least yer honest, NB.
Though don't be surprised if it doesn't get a good reception.....
One of the most irritating tics of modern journalism is attributing hypothetical quotes to people. "Count me in" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I'd be amazed if it did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Makes it even better.
Proms Night at Stokes's - be there, or be square.;)
Wonder will I be allowed to display my 60ft by 40ft banner of Her Majesty in all her Regal elegance, with "Coming to a town near you - soon" on it.;)
Aye, he clearly has ambitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Gorman is hardly a "boy Wonder". He is a sub on Wolves reserves a team that three current under 19 Irish internationals Doherty, Mccarey and Forde play for regularly. He left united because Brady amongst many others was miles ahead of him.
I know - but he's our "hardly a boy wonder".Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11