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30/10/2010, 3:03 PM
stovelid

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Don't worry, you're on your way.

It's going to be fun watching your aberration of a club die a slow death.
30/10/2010, 5:32 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Another fact is that we're the first part-time team to win a league in years,.

This is certainly the club propaganda anyway.

You can define part-time whatever way you like, but the reality is that Rovers were second only to Bohs in budget terms this season (it's really a red herring whether guys are paid over 40 / 42 / 52 weeks)

You claim the part-time tag as though it is some badge of honour!
30/10/2010, 5:48 PM
poster

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Originally Posted by Jicked

So yes, we are a part-time club and to win the league as such is a great achievement.

I wouldn't call having two players who work as well as train a 'part-time' club. I'm sure the majority of your first team players are full time, and have no other income/job. I'd call us full-time, we have one part-time player who works 9-5 and trains twice a week, but I'd still consider Sligo Rovers are 'full-time' team. As I would with Shams.
30/10/2010, 6:11 PM
GUFCghost

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Another fact is that we're the first part-time team to win a league in years, have won with a smaller budget than the last 5 or 6 champions, and haven't bankrupted the club to do it.

http://www.tribune.ie/business/artic...ise-to-620570/

:cool:
30/10/2010, 6:45 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Jicked

:D how exactly?

By overspending the same as the rest of us did. But don't let me stop yis, carry on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q
30/10/2010, 6:51 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Congrats to Rovers. (still cant beat us :))

Shamrock Rovers 67
Sporting Fingal... 59

We beat everybody, that's why we're champions.
30/10/2010, 7:43 PM
Dillonman

All I have to say in this thread is "bah humbug"!
30/10/2010, 9:09 PM
Model Club

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

By overspending the same as the rest of us did. But don't let me stop yis, carry on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_1tCasi_Q

What do you know that we don't?
How can a tit like you,a member of a club who would rather see their club go bankrupt chasing the elusive 4 in a row lecture us on overspending?
A club without a physio,assistant manager.A club whos membership is less than 2/3'rds of ours and 40% cheaper to buy into.A club with an average att. one third of ours.A club with no momentum who no-one bar the same deluded fools gives a s#ite about.

If it take lies generated on the loi section of your forum to comfort the blow of Rovers return to the pinnacle of Irish football...........knock yourself out.

If you have any proof that we are doing anything outside the letter of the laws of football in this country the let us know-either that or stay out of threads like these with your unsubstantiated poison.
30/10/2010, 9:39 PM
GUFCghost

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Originally Posted by Model Club

What do you know that we don't?
How can a tit like you,a member of a club who would rather see their club go bankrupt chasing the elusive 4 in a row lecture us on overspending?
A club without a physio,assistant manager.A club whos membership is less than 2/3'rds of ours and 40% cheaper to buy into.A club with an average att. one third of ours.A club with no momentum who no-one bar the same deluded fools gives a s#ite about.

If it take lies generated on the loi section of your forum to comfort the blow of Rovers return to the pinnacle of Irish football...........knock yourself out.

If you have any proof that we are doing anything outside the letter of the laws of football in this country the let us know-either that or stay out of threads like these with your unsubstantiated poison.

http://blogs.technet.com/cfs-filesys...9-79/wrong.jpg
30/10/2010, 10:21 PM
PartySaint

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Originally Posted by legendz

Congrats Rovers as I've said. It's harsh to be calling them the worst champions of the last decade but here are the facts:

Table based on champions and their points average over the last 8 years / switch to a summer season:

2.6 2008 Bohemians 33 27 4 2 55 13 +42 85
2.2 2005 Cork City 33 22 8 3 53 18 +35 74
2.1 2006 Shelbourne 30 18 8 4 60 27 +33 62
2.1 2007 Drogheda U 33 19 11 3 48 24 +24 68
2.1 2009 Bohemians 36 24 5 7 62 21 +41 77
1.9 2003 Shelbourne 36 19 12 5 52 28 +44 69
1.9 2004 Shelbourne 36 19 11 6 57 37 +40 68
1.9 2010 Shamrock R 36 19 10 7 57 34 +23 67

Shamrock Rovers won the league with the lowest points average since Shelbourne in 2004. Generally the league champions need an average of over 2 points a game.

Shamrock Rovers won more points last season:

2.1 2009 Bohemians 36 24 5 7 62 21 +41 77
2.0 2009 Shamrock R 36 21 10 5 51 27 24 73

It's the first time since 2006 that the top two in the league finished level on points and it came down to goal difference:

2.1 2006 Shelbourne 30 18 8 4 60 27 +33 62
2.1 2006 Derry City 30 18 8 4 46 20 +26 62

1.9 2010 Shamrock R 36 19 10 7 57 34 +23 67
1.9 2010 Bohemians 36 19 10 7 50 29 +21 67

Bohemians clearly have had the best points average from the top table above, 2.6 in 2008. In 2005, 3 teams finished with a points average of 2 points or more:

2.2 2005 Cork City 33 22 8 3 53 18 +35 74
2.2 2005 Derry City 33 22 6 5 56 25 +31 72
2.0 2005 Shelbourne 33 20 7 6 62 25 +37 67

The difference is Rovers didnt cheat to win they league like the rest of them

I think....
30/10/2010, 10:48 PM
WoodquayBoy

Congrats to our new League champions, and to Derry as well, both fully deserved
30/10/2010, 11:12 PM
dfx-

Worst champions...jesus...

Lowest points could mean any number of things..

How's about: Rovers were only able to get 67 points because it was much tougher to get the points than other years or in simple terms, a tougher league to win..
30/10/2010, 11:13 PM
Nah Nah Nah Nah

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

The difference is Rovers didnt cheat to win they league like the rest of them

I think....

I'm sure Dundalk fans would differ with that comment
31/10/2010, 1:00 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

Possibly the worst team to win the league in at least a decade.
Talk about stumbling over the line with terrible football, just pipping Bohs who were equally as brutal.
But to Shams fans that wont matter a bit and if I was in their position it wouldnt matter to me either.

You're right, it wouldn't matter, and you're wrong, we're not the worst team to win it.

2 years ago, it was claimed by a big points gap. Was that the worst league in years?
3 years ago, it was won by a team who like the other champions in the era, bought it with borrowed money? Was that the worst league in years?
9 years ago, Shels blew a 12 point gap, to lose the league on goal difference. Was that the worst league in years?
In 2002, Pats were deducted 15 points in order to let Shels win the league. Was that the worst league in years? Were they the worst team to win the league in years?

I could go on, and it may be something you don't understand, but there is NO greater feeling as a fan than winning your own country's top league. Doesn't matter what the year, or the quality of the opposition, it's a whole year's work to get to where we are now. It's not won over 10 games, or 5 games, or half a season, it's won in this country over 36 games. You test yourself against all kinds of opposition 4 times a year in all types of conditions, and if you're first, it means you were the best in the country over the season. There's no prizes for most beautiful football, or longest unbeaten run, or highest possession stats, you get them for getting to the line in front of everyone else.

Last year, we took 12 points from Sligo, this year we took 10 off them. So despite the prettier football, there is no argument over who is the better side results wise at this time.

Winning the league in turn results in CL football, where 2 rounds won = UEFA Cup group stage at least, and 1 round won = UEFA Cup playoffs at least. It leads to higher crowds at home and away games, and increased revenue which in turn attracts more sponsors and better players, and more success. We're not Cork, or Drogs, or Shels. Our board know what they're doing, and run the club as it should be run. It works.
31/10/2010, 8:57 AM
Dixie Dean

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Originally Posted by mypost

Winning the league in turn results in CL football, where 2 rounds won = UEFA Cup group stage at least, and 1 round won = UEFA Cup playoffs at least. It leads to higher crowds at home and away games, and increased revenue which in turn attracts more sponsors and better players, and more success.

You are absolutely correct, thats what happened when Shels, Derry, Cork, Bohs and Drogs won the league
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oh wait....... :-)
31/10/2010, 9:05 AM
Nah Nah Nah Nah

I don't really see how the argument that because we didn't beat ye this season we didn't deserve to finish ahead of ye this season stands up. The reason we didn't finish ahead of ye this season is that ye took more points off all the teams combined not just in the games we played. There's no extra points gained for games against Shams as opposed to games against UCD. Based on that comment then Fingal deserved to finish ahead of Shams. (ye 'only' took 8 points off us this season by the way)

Everyone going on about Shams being the worst champions ever. Well if that's the case then it doesn't say much for the rest of the teams who couldn't finish ahead of them.
31/10/2010, 9:11 AM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by Dixie Dean

You are absolutely correct, thats what happened when Shels, Derry, Cork, Bohs and Drogs won the league
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oh wait....... :-)

Did those other teams turn profits in the year they won the league? MON was also on the radio yesterday, didn't exactly sound like a man who wants to start breaking the bank, he clearly states the Rovers business model is to invest in younger players not the established league names, and wants to see money put towards training facilities and investing in schoolboy teams.
http://media.newstalk.ie/podcast/21331/popup
31/10/2010, 9:23 AM
Dixie Dean

And retired players - he is a standards setter.
31/10/2010, 9:34 AM
Jicked

Christ almighty, the amount of actual football talk on here is almost non-existent with the amount of cringeily unfunny jibes everyone has to try to make all the time. Now we just need SkStu to show up and mention 4%, Reiteoir to mention a plastic bottle and then someone just to say the words Model Club and the cycle will be complete again.
31/10/2010, 9:44 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

ye 'only' took 8 points off us this season by the way

Mathematics Class:

12 points available, and you get 2 points. 12-2 =
31/10/2010, 9:56 AM
1st time post

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Originally Posted by mypost

Mathematics Class:

12 points available, and you get 2 points. 12-2 =

Are you for real??Fair play to Shams on winning the league,i always think the table never lies and no matter what we started we ended up on 63 points which is enough to make us the 3rd best team in the league this season which seems about right to me,the fact that we didnt beat bohs or shams in the league this season is why we werent that little bit closer but looking forward to the Cup final and next year already.
31/10/2010, 9:59 AM
eelmonster

Don't you know Sham Rovers get 2 points for a draw. Fookin FAI Dublin bias.
31/10/2010, 10:00 AM
harleyleeds

mathematics class 2 : shams + officials + fai = league
31/10/2010, 10:39 AM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

The difference is Rovers didnt cheat to win they league like the rest of them
I think....

what exactly did City do wrong in 05? it wasnt until 08 that Arkaga started spending ridiculous amounts
31/10/2010, 10:44 AM
Dixie Dean

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Christ almighty, the amount of actual football talk on here is almost non-existent with the amount of cringeily unfunny jibes everyone has to try to make all the time. Now we just need SkStu to show up and mention 4%, Reiteoir to mention a plastic bottle and then someone just to say the words Model Club and the cycle will be complete again.

We throw the bait you bite, its great craic, are you not enjoying it? :rolleyes:
31/10/2010, 11:02 AM
Model Club

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Originally Posted by harleyleeds

mathematics class 2 : shams + officials + fai = league

The sadness in this post is what really gets to me.
I can handle most "banter" from opposition fans but as someone who attended 99% of Rovers games home and away,this season and most of the last 20,I can honestly say we have suffered as much as anyone with dodgy refereeing decisions,and of course we have benefitted from their ineptitude aswell.Some big and some small.

An example how fans differ in their opinion was brought home to me this year as I left Tallaght after a Sligo game were I felt the referee gave us nothing I overheard a Sligo fan saying something like,"How can we beat 12 men".I was so taken aback I took him up on his statement but he didn't want to know!
Which one of us was right,probably both.

The FAI "bias" is a bit more complex but all I can say is that the FAI has helped out many clubs in difficult circumstances over the years.Bohs and Drogheda spring to mind both with regard to their home grounds.
We have also rightly been on the receiving end of the FAI when they relegated us for submitting the wrong accounts.This fate has happened with Cork,Derry,Shels of course,all correctly.
People argue clubs like Dublin City and Kilkenny didn't recieve much help from the FAI but then I don't think they deserved help as they failed to attract a core support to prove these clubs had an appetite for long term survival.Cobh fans will I'd imagine suggest the FAI did feck all to help them but from the little I know a lot of the people down there wanted to be demoted in order to get their house in order.Their unfortunate timing with regard to the building of the aviva stadium and the FAI's lack of funds didn't help either.

To sum up I dont feel the FAI treated us any different than another club in our position in a fight to the last against the GAA.
Nor do I blame them for constantly refeering to us when trying to preach a gospel of sustainability in this car crash of a league-Who do you think they should refer to ??
In time the "model club" tag adopted with sarcastic distain by many will dilute as clubs like Derry,Cork.Drogheda,Cobh become "model clubs" themselves.
Rovers are just the first to rise from the ashes and are all the FAI can use in their propaganda war trying to defend and promote this league.

Rovers won the league because they scored more goals than bohs.The fact that we done so against a club living way beyond their means makes it all the sweeter.Their budget may have been in the same region but the difference is we could/can afford ours-They obviously can't.

Will Rovers be the first team since we last won the league not to go bust?.....Only time will tell,but all the wishful thinking from bohs fans among others won't affect this-No matter how hard they try.Having come through what I personally have supporting my team 20+ years and knowing those in charge well I am truly confident Rovers are here for the long haul.
31/10/2010, 11:35 AM
harleyleeds

you won the league because bray second goal was not givin and it wasn't even a close call .
31/10/2010, 11:48 AM
legendz

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Originally Posted by Jicked

I'm not going discuss what players earn what or what they do for a living, but since to pick two of the above you listed have talked about it in the press, Pat Flynn works for Coca-Cola, Craig Sives for an electronics shop. Training sessions have to be organised around this which makes things very difficult. So yes, we are a part-time club and to win the league as such is a great achievement.

Good read in the Indo touching on the finances side:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...n-2401327.html
31/10/2010, 12:01 PM
bingoballs

Congrats Shams, best team over the full season. I just hope we bring the FAI Cup home with us.
31/10/2010, 12:32 PM
Nah Nah Nah Nah

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Originally Posted by mypost

Mathematics Class:

12 points available, and you get 2 points. 12-2 =

Good comeback but most people would generally be talking about how many points their own team got from the games and not how many points they stopped the other team from getting
31/10/2010, 12:44 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Did those other teams turn profits in the year they won the league?

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Originally Posted by GUFCghost

http://www.tribune.ie/business/artic...ise-to-620570/

:cool:

We were always at war with Eurasia.
31/10/2010, 12:50 PM
dfx-

Galway are the best team, the best city, best people outside Dublin so fairplay to Sligo for overcoming these disadvantages to finish ahead of them. Credit where credit is due and all that.

Not winning the league though. For one, the FAI weren't on your side ;)
31/10/2010, 2:08 PM
Model Club

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

We were always at war with Eurasia.

You clutch away there BP,I'm sure you'll find one last straw somewhere.

As usual,you think you know but you don't.
31/10/2010, 2:12 PM
Model Club

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Originally Posted by harleyleeds

you won the league because bray second goal was not givin and it wasn't even a close call .

Lets have a game of.........."we got more bogey decisions than you".It'll make the Cork and Derry threads last year look like single posts and be just as much fun as "your hooligans are worse than ours" thats been dragging on in the cup semi thread for weeks now.

Or you could just accept Shamrock Rovers won the league on friday.There,there little HL's,it'll all be over soon!
31/10/2010, 2:32 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Model Club

You clutch away there BP,I'm sure you'll find one last straw somewhere.

As usual,you think you know but you don't.

As usual? Where was I posting anything like this before? Anyway carry on, not like I want to stop your self destruction.
31/10/2010, 2:48 PM
SkStu

em, just wanted to say...

4%.
31/10/2010, 3:57 PM
bingoballs

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Originally Posted by Model Club

"your hooligans are worse than ours"

Eh, nobody has hooligans quite like shams really, ye top the league on that front too so double congratulations to the model club.
31/10/2010, 4:17 PM
Rasputin

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Originally Posted by mypost

You're right, it wouldn't matter, and you're wrong, we're not the worst team to win it.

2 years ago, it was claimed by a big points gap. Was that the worst league in years?
3 years ago, it was won by a team who like the other champions in the era, bought it with borrowed money? Was that the worst league in years?
9 years ago, Shels blew a 12 point gap, to lose the league on goal difference. Was that the worst league in years?
In 2002, Pats were deducted 15 points in order to let Shels win the league. Was that the worst league in years? Were they the worst team to win the league in years?

I could go on, and it may be something you don't understand, but there is NO greater feeling as a fan than winning your own country's top league. Doesn't matter what the year, or the quality of the opposition, it's a whole year's work to get to where we are now. It's not won over 10 games, or 5 games, or half a season, it's won in this country over 36 games. You test yourself against all kinds of opposition 4 times a year in all types of conditions, and if you're first, it means you were the best in the country over the season. There's no prizes for most beautiful football, or longest unbeaten run, or highest possession stats, you get them for getting to the line in front of everyone else.

Last year, we took 12 points from Sligo, this year we took 10 off them. So despite the prettier football, there is no argument over who is the better side results wise at this time.

Winning the league in turn results in CL football, where 2 rounds won = UEFA Cup group stage at least, and 1 round won = UEFA Cup playoffs at least. It leads to higher crowds at home and away games, and increased revenue which in turn attracts more sponsors and better players, and more success. We're not Cork, or Drogs, or Shels. Our board know what they're doing, and run the club as it should be run. It works.

Ive watched the league over the past decade and this Shams team is the worst footballing side to win the league in the past decade.
Nothing to do with statistics or that, just on watching your performances this season you were at best mediocre.
Now as you pointed out there that doesnt say much about the league, including ourselves.
Your absolutely right, the standard of the league this season has absolutely plummeted in comparison to years gone past.
Any impartial observer will tell you the same that Shams are the worst LOI winners in the past decade.
Also because I know the usual victimisation by Shams fans will be thrown out here, if for example that Bohs won the league on the last day instead of Shams I would be saying the exact same thing. Only difference is that Bohs fans seem to realise how bad their team actually was while Shams fans continue their delusions of grandeur.
And yes I know we have only knocked you out of the LC this season and havent beaten you in the league hence why you are more desrving winners than us.
Your the best of a very average and generally bad lot.
31/10/2010, 4:32 PM
legendz

It was a poor league this season. The league did suffer from the loss of Cork and Derry. There was a quality deficit. Drogheda and Bray weren't good enough either. They should have been relegated last season and added little to the league this season with the second chance they had. It is a bit harsh on those clubs though. The Drog's have their problems and Bray had been preparing for life in Division One. Bray in fairness though have got their act together late in the season and I can see them surviving. I'm hoping for a better quality league next season, with all provinces represented.
31/10/2010, 6:20 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

Good comeback but most people would generally be talking about how many points their own team got from the games and not how many points they stopped the other team from getting

You've never heard of "1 point won, 2 points lost" so.

12-2 =

An Fear Sligeach: "8"

Try again. 12-2 =

"10"

Very good. You might get a gold star for the right answer. Except in your case, it's the bronze star for 3rd place.

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