reasons for summer football
1 better pitches
2.better football
3 less brass monkeys
4.no cancelled games.
5. better euro results (i think)
reasons for winter football
less things to distract fans away from games (I dont think so).
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reasons for summer football
1 better pitches
2.better football
3 less brass monkeys
4.no cancelled games.
5. better euro results (i think)
reasons for winter football
less things to distract fans away from games (I dont think so).
There still have not been any real decent and meaningful argument in favour of winter football. Its alarming that this is actually the case, that it possible will come to pass and that there is completely no justification for it.
If the FAI let this happen then they deserve everything they get.
So the fact that it worked fine for decades, and does so all over Europe isn't a decent and meaningful argument?
Yeah, it's a good argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Has the standard of pitches improved significantly in summer football? I only started following the league after summer football was introduced but you would think that it is much easier to keep the pitches in good condition with summer football.
That's open to question, certainly in the longer term - there isn't much opportunity for pitch renewal over the winter months, and little opportunity for bigger jobs such as drainage.Quote:
Originally Posted by hedderman
Spoke to our groundsman about it, he said the standard of pitches would be no problem if clubs invested in their pitches. He admits that the pitches have all improved with summer football but as a supporter he is a major fan of Winter football.
I've gone to rugby and gaelic games in the winter so would not have a problem going to Association Football games in the winter. Clubs have to look at investing in their pitches at some stage and if they do, winter football should not be that much of a problem. If the season was to start around mid-July, April - July should be a good time of year to work on pitches.
Association football? My god.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Ah cut him some shlack, he is from Kerry!Quote:
Originally Posted by ARooney28
You'll get roughly the same crowds either way. The debate shouldn't be about winter v summer, it should be about ko times.
If you want football on a dark June/July evening, put the ko time back half an hour, let people come home from work/college and give them time to get to the game in comfort, or better still play on a (revolutionary idea of course) family-friendly weekend day, like everywhere, and I mean everywhere else. Don't put live tv games on, when the target audience is out watching their own team playing. Don't let it compete with egg-chasing, horse fairs, car boot sales and other competing attractions down the road. In Europe, the areas around stadiums are packed 3-4 hours before ko, not 5 minutes as is the usual case here.
In short, cater for your customers, not your employees. That's what usually works in other businesses, and helps to make them profitable and sustainable.
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Originally Posted by ARooney28
I'd refer to both Gaelic Football and Association Football as Football but as above mentioned in wiki, disambiguation is needed! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wiki
For me summer football has to stay because as A Face has said there has been no strong argument to return to winter football other than nostalgia. People talk about better results in Europe and better pitches but for me one big reason stands out to retain summer football and thats the road into Ballybofey. In the winter I hate driving that road and it's so much more appealing to drive to a game in the evening sunlight, watch a game and drive home rather than drive 3hours in the rain and dark and freeze my b@lls off in what can only be described as a hay shed (and thats an insult to farm buildings) for 90mins.
Also just take a look at the pitch in Bray last week for an example of what the pitches would look like.
Results of thee poll seem pretty conclusive. Hopefully common sense prevails now from the FAI.
So, it's a swift return to the winter season again.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
voted summer, but that's only because I want my deckchair to have a good view for when the iceberg hits. Winter or summer isn't the issue, it's better facilities. As an engineer, of all the grounds I've been to so far (which isn't even half admittedly), I've yet to see one that to me is in a good condition, construction wise. The quality of the football is slowly but surely improving, on the whole the majority of clubs seem to be getting their **** in order, what the league needs now is a bit of decent leadership and a some long term planning for investment.
Have you been to the Tallaght stadium?Quote:
Originally Posted by shantykelly
no. i followed the construction pictures that were sometimes posted, and it looks like a good finished article. thats one ground out of how many? brandywell is a **** hole, finn park is a field with a shed, gortakeegan, terryland, all extremely basic. was impressed with wexfors's setup, but more from the potential the place had than from the actual facilities - basic, but a good start. better off-field management and better facilities are the main targets the league should be working towards. and a good concrete/mortar supplier in bray.
Here, that dodgy wall has created more employment than any government ministry. 3 brickies, some stewards, 4 paramedics and a surgeon are all directly employed in wall-related activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by shantykelly
You forgot to say "Worth an estimated E2m to the local economy". Not quite FF material. Keep trying though.
If I thought a move to winter football would be preceded by an upgrade in stadium facilities across the country... but we know that'd never happen. Winter football might work for the clubs/players but it's not fan-friendly at all.
The league has a few main tartgets. Regards facilities, you're right, it is something they have to look at. The Tallaght stadium is a good model, though hopefully all clubs looking to build will have their own unique style. Stands should be built with at least about 2500-3000 covered seats and similar-ish facilities that would be found lower tier Croke Park, Aviva or in Thomond. Not likely to happen soon though.Quote:
Originally Posted by shantykelly
But let's pretend! :)
If we continue to have winters like this then a conventional football season will require a winter break. For this very reason that you can encounter such unplanned adverse conditions that can decimate a footballing schedule I think we're better with summer football.
Having struggled to get home from Edinburgh the last few days and just the sheer misery if it all. I think we can say that summer football is here to stay.
Even without severe weather like we've had the past couple of years, for a league with infrastructure as poor as the LOI it should be a no-brainer.
In a real country that uses logic and reason in decision-making processes that would be the case. But this is Ireland and the FAI are in charge of soccer in this State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I full expect an 18 team league with a split and winter football to be with us in 2012.
with 1,2,3,4,5,(maybe more) points available in every game :oQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
The better your pre-match DVD the more points you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Orange balls and big coats. I hadn't realised LoI fans had turned into a bunch of mard arses after only a few seasons of summer football.
So where is this going? Its all gone quiet ..... is it just being pushed through, complete disregard for any sort of logic or reason. Will anyone be culpable for it? Is there anyway of identifying that. I know the FAI will point the finger at the clubs can we identify them first anyway ...
Athlone Town
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Cork City FC - Voted for Summer Soccer
Derry City
Drogheda United
Dundalk
Finn Harps
Galway United
Limerick
Longford Town
Mervue United
Monaghan United
Salthill Devon
Shamrock Rovers
Shelbourne
Sligo Rovers
Sporting Fingal
St. Patrick's Athletic
U.C.D.
Waterford United
Wexford Youths
*Removal of Drunken gibberish*Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
from readin back on this and other threads it looks like
Monaghan Summer
Longford Winter
Athlone Winter
Sligo Winter
Shams Summer
Cork Summer
Galway Winter
Derry Summer
Harps Winter
not to sure of the rest.
but if anyone would just look out there window i think that should end the arguement
I was about to ask about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
"I hate you peadar. I only hate the Lep!" :D And you were going to get my POTM nomination and everything!
I'm gonna highlight the ones looking to change so we know who is who. Anyone know the rest?Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
Athlone Town - Winter
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Cork City FC - Summer
Derry City - Summer
Drogheda United
Dundalk
Finn Harps - Winter
Galway United - Winter
Limerick
Longford Town - Winter
Mervue United
Monaghan United - Summer
Salthill Devon
Shamrock Rovers - Summer
Shelbourne
Sligo Rovers - Winter
Sporting Fingal
St. Patrick's Athletic
U.C.D.
Waterford United
Wexford Youths
Judging from the four page debate on our own forum,DundalkFC fans want summer football.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Summer for Waterford
You'd have thought Frosty would punt for winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by **FrOsTy**
Best not to ask what I was up to. The flashbacks from Friday are haunting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
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Originally Posted by bullit
But is this the way the club voted? There obviously will be cases where the vast majority of fans will want summer soccer but their club, without any consultation and against fans wishes will have voted for winter football instead. I'm just trying to identify which way clubs voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by **FrOsTy**
I'd agree the clubs don't appear to have consulted fans (although members clubs should be fairly representative) and so fans veiws have no influence on how the club votes, but also you can't make the leap that internet forums are representative of all fans either. Using Dundalk as an example, just because the fans on the internet forum are against winter football doesn't necessarily translate to a majority of Dundalk fans are againts a return to winter football (same as the poll here doesn't represent the whole LoI fanbase, whichever way the vote goes).Quote:
Originally Posted by A face