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26/10/2010, 10:12 PM
IsMiseSean

Good addition if it's true...
26/10/2010, 10:49 PM
cornflakes

Came across this arsenal thread discussing noble playing for Ireland.
http://onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/viewt...er=asc&start=0
Rebel gooner is a complete tool
26/10/2010, 11:05 PM
ArdeeBhoy

So the grandparents, fair enough. FIFA might actually have done us a favour on this for once??

If they're eligible I'd take anyone, even 'Agent' Rooney. And yes, I know he isn't!
26/10/2010, 11:16 PM
Sullivinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornflakes

Rebel gooner is a complete tool

How long before YouTube notice he's gone and mount a search..
27/10/2010, 3:54 AM
Supreme feet

I love the way they (and some WUMs around here) claim Ireland are 'relying on' English players. Our current full-strength team has three (St. Ledger, Kilbane, Lawrence), all of whom could be replaced with Irish-born players (Kelly/Coleman, Ward, Hunt) without weakening the side. Our first-choice team in 2002 had Kilbane, Holland and Breen. Not exactly indispensable. To quote Jack Charlton, the English-born players can 'make up the balance of what we lack', and give us a few extra options. Our best players, and the lion's share of our squads have been Irish-born/raised since the Charlton years.

BTW, I'm not convinced about Noble declaring. Nor would I be too comfortable about it, especially given the players emerging in central midfield. I'm very excited about McCarthy, Clifford, Meyler and Maguire, and I'd prefer to see them given a shot. Just think his lineage is a bit too tenuous, and he's a bit old to be declaring now.
27/10/2010, 1:54 PM
IsMiseSean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme feet

he's a bit old to be declaring now.

I dont think he is, 23 is probably on the limit I reckon. Anyone under 24 with good connections should be considered
I dont want to see us calling up players at 27/28/29 ie Paul Green, Caleb Folan etc. It makes me wonder why these players didn't express a desire to play for us when they were 21/22.
27/10/2010, 2:18 PM
TrapAPony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme feet

Just think his lineage is a bit too tenuous, and he's a bit old to be declaring now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGKyne

I dont want to see us calling up players at 27/28/29 ie Paul Green, Caleb Folan etc. It makes me wonder why these players didn't express a desire to play for us when they were 21/22.

John Aldridge declared for us at 28 with only a great grandmother from Athlone as his Irish connection. Nobody had any problems with him.
27/10/2010, 2:42 PM
ArdeeBhoy

I did. He was mainly sh*t for Ireland, regardless of his exact heritage!
27/10/2010, 3:57 PM
SkStu

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

I did. He was mainly sh*t for Ireland, regardless of his exact heritage!

rubbish. He ran himself into the ground (out to the corners chasing long balls) for JC in a system that ignored all his best traits as a poacher. PLUS, his record speaks for itself.
27/10/2010, 4:03 PM
boovidge

Anyone read this book? I just stumbled across it - really interesting. From page 92 onwards.
27/10/2010, 4:23 PM
Junior

Cheers - will have a read of that when I get half an hour.
27/10/2010, 4:47 PM
Closed Account 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

I did. He was mainly sh*t for Ireland, regardless of his exact heritage!

Anyone remember a June afternoon in Orlando?
27/10/2010, 4:52 PM
Eirambler

The thing i see again and again looking at these EPL fans forums is how negative everyone over there is about the England team at the moment. They're sick of the same names and the underachievement at finals. I think this is having an impact on the dual-national players.

I think with Noble and maybe also Clark its not a case of giving up on ever getting an England call but not really being too pushed about it either way. England doesn't seem to be too relevant to the average footballer over there now. So they see Ireland as a closer knit team with less media hassle who are more enjoyable to play for and that appeals to them. Suddenly we're being linked to English born players with genuine potential rather than ones that would never get a game for their country of birth.

For that reason I don't think we need to feel this kind of guilty conscience that we're getting an England reject that's expressed on here every time somebody 'declares' for us. I think most of these lads look at the English setup and genuinely feel that they'd be more at home with Ireland.
27/10/2010, 4:55 PM
Docboy

Can only assume you weren't at the games to see the energy and passion Aldo put in for the Green shirt over the years. Massively respected and got some important goals despite the jinx he went through in the beginning of his international career.
27/10/2010, 4:56 PM
ken foree

cynically i'm thinking of the rumours being used to alert the english management to his desperation/frustration at not being picked. no disrespect to drummerboy, and would welcome him as he seems quite a skillful player.
27/10/2010, 6:02 PM
Charlie Darwin

If he really wanted to alert the English management to his desperation I can think of more effective ways than asking his mate to send drummerboy a text.
27/10/2010, 6:20 PM
mark12345

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

I did. He was mainly sh*t for Ireland, regardless of his exact heritage!

That's the 'best' quote I've ever seen on any messageboard pertaining to Irish football, ArdeeBhoy. Aldridge was among the best goalscorers we ever had, I'd put him up there just behind Robbie. And who knows if he had have been playing since he was 18, like Robbie, he would have netted more than his 19 total. Aldridge was one of Europe's top poachers. Go, ArdeeBhoy, and ask God for forgiveness.
27/10/2010, 6:36 PM
ken foree

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

If he really wanted to alert the English management to his desperation I can think of more effective ways than asking his mate to send drummerboy a text.

nahh it's actually the ideal way charlie... everything's viral these days.
27/10/2010, 10:04 PM
CraftyToePoke

Came off the bench tonight when it was 1-1 and had 2 direct assists to turn it, finished 3-1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...up/9059596.stm
27/10/2010, 10:10 PM
TrapAPony

Edit : Oops!
28/10/2010, 12:59 AM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docboy

Can only assume you weren't at the games to see the energy and passion Aldo put in for the Green shirt over the years. Massively respected and got some important goals despite the jinx he went through in the beginning of his international career.

Was at far too many of them for my liking, that's why I know he was pretty ineffective/useless, compared to how he was at Liverpool, albeit they played a different system to be fair. And told him to his face, so there.

That might be all I should ask 'forgiveness' for??
;)
28/10/2010, 12:54 PM
Scooby Doo

Back page of today's Sun. Sorry can't find link. Says Noble is ready to commit to us and that Tardelli went to see him play in the Carling Cup last night. No quotes, sources etc. The cynic in me would be inclined to believe the inspiration for the article is based on internet rumours on various football forums.
28/10/2010, 1:45 PM
SwanVsDalton

Enough speculation I say, time for Mark to do the noble (sorry) thing and declare.
28/10/2010, 1:49 PM
Charlie Darwin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby Doo

Back page of today's Sun. Sorry can't find link. Says Noble is ready to commit to us and that Tardelli went to see him play in the Carling Cup last night. No quotes, sources etc. The cynic in me would be inclined to believe the inspiration for the article is based on internet rumours on various football forums.

Wouldn't read too much into it. The lads from the tabloids all read these boards.
28/10/2010, 2:40 PM
IsMiseSean

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrapAPony

John Aldridge declared for us at 28 with only a great grandmother from Athlone as his Irish connection. Nobody had any problems with him.

I didn't know that... Bit before my time I was 3 when he made his debut.
Anyone know why he didn't declare at and earlier age, was he waiting for an England chance?
28/10/2010, 3:00 PM
Paddy Garcia

He was stuck in the lower leagues & out of sight.

.. declared when he was at Oxford after Houghton mentioned to Jack that he also qualified.
28/10/2010, 3:26 PM
Eirambler

Great-grandfather? Is that correct or were the rules different back then?
28/10/2010, 5:36 PM
Irish_Praha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

He was stuck in the lower leagues & out of sight.

.. declared when he was at Oxford after Houghton mentioned to Jack that he also qualified.

Pretty crazy when you think about it. A 25-year-old moving from the old English 3rd division to the 1st division and being the top scorer for the league champions in his first full season. It's like Roy of the Rovers stuff.
It would be like Chelsea signing Craig Mackail-Smith from Peterborough and him scoring 25 plus goals in the Premiership.
28/10/2010, 6:51 PM
geysir

Aldo was already a proven top striker in the (old) 1st division by the time Liverpool signed him.
28/10/2010, 7:45 PM
TrapAPony

Noble did very well for the 2nd and 3rd goals for West Ham v Stoke.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xff...mbed&start=103
28/10/2010, 8:20 PM
Irish_Praha

Quote:

Originally Posted by geysir

Aldo was already a proven top striker in the (old) 1st division by the time Liverpool signed him.

My bad; I thought Oxford were a few divisions lower. Not such a great story after all. :(
28/10/2010, 8:30 PM
Sullivinho

Always lacked passion that Aldo character..

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9145/aldo.jpg
29/10/2010, 6:57 AM
seanfhear

I would say that if this was genuine then we would have heard from the horses mouth by now.
29/10/2010, 10:35 PM
ArdeeBhoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sullivinho

Always lacked passion that Aldo character.

That's as maybe. But for me just another who went through the motions for Ireland, in the main.
30/10/2010, 9:15 AM
Paddy Garcia

I wish we could get some of our lads born in Ireland to go through the motions!

On Noble; I heard him speaking recently on representing England & I'd be very surprised if this was accurate, seemed to have a lot of passion for England.
31/10/2010, 5:45 PM
CraftyToePoke

In todays Independent, Noble is mentioned by Dion Fanning as 'Irish target, Mark Noble' I dont have a link, sorry.

Now, has he read it on here? A superb exhibition of lazy journailsm if so, or does this give more credibility to this story if he is working off a source. I'm not familiar enough with the guy and his writing to say really.
31/10/2010, 7:11 PM
Charlie Darwin

I would be fairly certain he read it on here. A lot of journos get their news from the forums.
31/10/2010, 7:16 PM
theworm2345

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

In todays Independent, Noble is mentioned by Dion Fanning as 'Irish target, Mark Noble' I dont have a link, sorry.

Now, has he read it on here? A superb exhibition of lazy journailsm if so, or does this give more credibility to this story if he is working off a source. I'm not familiar enough with the guy and his writing to say really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I would be fairly certain he read it on here. A lot of journos get their news from the forums.

Fanning is a clown, I wouldn't believe anything he writes over anything any one on here writes.
31/10/2010, 7:38 PM
CraftyToePoke

Quote:

Originally Posted by theworm2345

Fanning is a clown, I wouldn't believe anything he writes over anything any one on here writes.

Shall we ask him?

dfanning@independent.ie
31/10/2010, 7:50 PM
AlaskaFox

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Shall we ask him?

dfanning@independent.ie

Please do...

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