Again, just because you're rich doesn't mean you can't be a socialist (as I hope to prove come 8.10 tonight :D ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
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Again, just because you're rich doesn't mean you can't be a socialist (as I hope to prove come 8.10 tonight :D ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Unless your name is Judge Brian Curtin. Then you'll be hounded out of a job by a baying media pack and a populist government with both eyes firmly fixed on the upcoming elections. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
KOH
He's been found innocent. Even if the warrant was correctly dated, his credit card was used on a site that had both adult and child porn, and they found a virus that downloads porn to an infected PC (I believe eircom have been accused of failing to stop a racket going on regarding similar viruses). The DPP hasn't even sent it's file to the Government yet, but you're certain he's done wrong? From what I've read so far, there's reasonably doubt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Obviously innocent til proiven guilty 'n all but...seems to be a lot of facts pointing towards him having to answer a lot of questions.
Sounds like even aside from the warranty issue the DPP/Gardai didn't investigate fully. The virus sounds like a smokescreen & doesn't seem to have been investigated fully. Judge also claims he purchased other services from which would appear to be adult porn (IMO child porn not a valid term)... Should this disqualify him from serving as a judge as its not illegal as such...?
No, but I would defend anybody's right to be found innocent, by technicality or otherwise. Our march towards a repressive police state continues apace. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Curtin is quite obviously a nasty piece of work but my opinion, your opinion, even Lord Bertie's opinion count for jack **** when a man is found innocent. At least that's what I was brought up to believe.
KOH
Hear Hear I agree, only problem is the me-ja look for the story, Rabbitte brings it up in the Dáil, questions have to be answered. Me-ja go into over drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
The man is 100% innocent until a Court of Law finds differently.
I dont see what all the hassle is about anyway. The process of removing a judge is quite simple, just never been done before. All the bloody wasters would have to do is give up their summer break and they could remove him if that is what they want.
Firstly Curtin was acquitted of child pornography charges on a technicality, not found to be innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
There was a virus on his PC which "could" have downloaded porn.
They aren't usually associated with child porn though.
His name was on a list provided by the FBI of credit cards held in Ireland which were used to purchase child porn from a company in the US which was raided. There is little doubt that everyone on the list is guilty. Proving the guilt is another matter though.
According to the Sunday Business Post "Gardai were given legal advice to go ahead with the search for images of child pornography at the home of Judge Brian Curtin from DPP office lawyers.
They went on to mention that "Informed sources said that the judge's home was visited several times before the raid on May 27, 2002, but he never returned home."
Could he have known about the warrant and it's impending expiry date?
I do not absolve Labour from any blame of the amnesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
I do attack FF and give reasons, and facts, for doing so.
You continuosly defend FF, but only do so by attacking members of other parties.
You NEVER address the specific issues about FF.
I've pointed out some well documented facts, and that you remain a member of a party where so much wrongdoing and incompetence is present, where degradation of politics and the political system is rampant, and your only answer is that some other parties have a few flaws.
Not really much reason to be an FFer is it?
1. The scumbag Noel O'Flynn couldn't wait to get himself on the lunchtime national news on Radio 1 the day last Tuesday week to proclaim to all and sundry that he "had read the Constitution that very morning" and the judge should resign. So how can you blame Rabbite for this? Surely now that N O'F is a constitutional expert, he will sort it all out?Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
2. Ahern was himself peripherally involved in the Sheedy affair, where problems with the removal of Judges were first brought up. If I remember correctly, it was an FF election promise to sort that area out....and we all know that FF keep their promises.
3. Removing a Judge is not a simple issue, unless there is a very clear cut case. There is nothing clear cut about this case.
Sorry mate, same thing, no matter what way the media and political classes dress it up. HE WAS ACQUITTED, HE'S INNOCENT. Sorry for shouting but people are losing the run of themselves over this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
KOH
Patsh Patsh Patsh, ok lets agree that you dont like FF and I do alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Noel O'Flynn should be thrown out of the party along with Cullen.
I never said removing a individual judge is simple, its only the process itself that is very very simple.
Patsh you seem a keen follower of FF policy, do you remember why FF didnt enact a bill to deal with this area?
But if they're not proven guilty, they're found innocent surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Conor, I do think there are questions to answer (not least the points about the handling of the case), however he has been proven innocent in the courts (technicality or not). Fitness to judge other people isn't the same as deciding whether he's guilty of a criminal offence. We'll all have to wait and see the evidence to decide that (and then it won't be us it'll be the elected representative)...
It's an internal decision whether Flynn gets chucked by FF, and then it's her electorate who decide whether she remains in the Dail (unless she's Bankrupt). She's not getting sacked from her job (and probably won't given the reaction in Mayo :rolleyes: )
Disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Court options are either Guilty or Not Guilty.
So if you're not guilty, you're not innocent either? Sure there's no smoke without fire, whatever the case...Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Whoa!!! Surely having credit card details does not entail someone is guilty. These can be thieved anytime and it is only at the end of the month - providing that you bother to look, which being well off may not be something that concerns you - that you'd take notice. However if child porn from that site was to somehow end up on same person's computer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
How likely is it that someone stole his credit card and then proceded to download illegal images to his PC? Besides, the list was examined for some time by the FBI before it was delivered to the Gardai. This all took place over a two year period. In England it's going to take them a few years to get to everyone on the list. They look at the worst offenders first.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
I'm sure the Gardai are doing the same.
You've answered my question. There's currently a 'rumour' that a high profile England international is under the same suspicion (Daily Star on Sunday a few months back). He also claimed that his credit card was also stolen. Watch this space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Also as I mentioned earlier apparent Curtin has admitted using other "services" from the company that was raided by the FBI. They were reported as having hundreds of sites & up to 250k credit card numbers but that they separated the biulling between adult porn & paedolphic (if thats a word) pics (how very organised :o )...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
What will happen if Curtin decides not to tell his side of the story to the Gov?
Would this constitute "stated misbehaviour" I wonder?
It would surely bring into disrepute, and seriously damage the justice system in this country, if he was allowed to hear cases ever again.
To Conor and SOC,
It's being quite an interesting thread so far, but can I ask you both, does it ever bother either of you that in reality you both act like "Good Germans" ?
Every time I see this thread I think of Richard Morton on the phone to his Geordie mate, asking about the riots. His mate replied:
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"Riots? Oh, you mean the festival."
adam
I dont know now Patsh could you call us "Good Germans" but are we really.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
I mean I know I differ quite a bit from the party line and a good deal from Mr. 74 on a number of issues, but isnt that what makes FF the best party in Ireland, left of centre but we have all types. I mean 18 of the last 20 years speaks for itself.
Hey, I never made Nazi references.... I don't remember mentioning the PD's that much.... :D
Heh. Godwin's Law. See the codicil. :D
Left of centre?????? As the popular terrace tune goes - Yer havin a laugh. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
KOH
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Originally Posted by dahamsta
if fails to factor in the "humour" that dahamsta might be in ;)
1. Never heard of this Godwins law before.
2. There was absolutley no intention of a nazi reference in the post. I was referring to the idea of turning a blind eye to wrong doing.
3. I suppose bringing this up is a good way of avoiding answering a question... ;)
Story taken from the Sunday Business Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
The American detective who discovered Judge Brian Curtin's credit card number on a child porn website has revealed that he found substantial supporting evidence, including Curtin's home address, e-mail address and details of his computer's internet service provider.
Texas police officer Steve Nelson said he is prepared to testify at any inquiry or impeachment hearing into the conduct of Curtin.
"I will do whatever is required,'' Nelson said.
He also disclosed that Curtin's credit card was not used to access adult porn, contrary to suggestions in earlier reports, which were based on sources close to the judge.
In an interview with The Sunday Business Post, Nelson said that Curtin's personal details, in addition to his credit card details, were found on a database maintained by the Texas web portal, Landslide Productions, which directed customers to child pornography websites.
Nelson said the discovery of this additional information demonstrated that a thief or an imposter could not have accessed the website solely with the aid of a stolen credit card.
He added that Curtin's details were supplied to Landslide for one month's access to a specific child porn site called Lolita World, which specialised in graphic pictures of pre-pubescent children.
Nelson said it was the first website that users were directed to when they clicked on a Landslide hyperlink titled ``Click Here for Child Porn''.
Nelson, the sole officer tasked with accessing the sites, dismissed claims that Curtin's card was only used to access an adult porn website linked to the Landslide Productions portal."
Well the government, with one bound, have been freed of their dilemma.
A guilty verdict on the drink driving charge is more than sufficient grounds to fire him.
They must have been flowwing him around for the last week trying to get him on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsh
Very convenient nonetheless.
:rolleyes:
complete fcukwit or what??.imagine being under the media/garda spotlightQuote:
Originally Posted by patsh
and then drink driving. :mad: tosser
May I remind you he's still not convicted of anything. The urine sample could come in under the limit yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by the 12 th man
Precedent suggests otherwise, previous cases of drink drive judges have got a payoff to go quietly....Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Am I the only person a bit uneasy with the "we'll follow you until you slip up" style of policing here?
Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for Curtin but surely the judicial system should remove him from office and be seen to be policing themselves.
We should be asking just how the Gardai made such a mistake with the search warrent in the first place - this is no way to clean up their mess.
They weren't cases entangled in child pornography scandals though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
That question has already been answered. They took advice from solicitors in the office of the DPP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Smith
With regard to the drink driving, it's possible that Curtain was shopped by someone who saw him drinking.
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Originally Posted by Conor74
apparently he "allegedly" overtook a pushbike in an erratic manner and was
pulled over.
Has happened before that rouge Garda units target individuals when can't get them on large offences e.g. Donegal + some dodgy dealings in Traleee i think regarding a SF'er?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor74
Seperate issues though - they either do him for one or the other. Given recent events and allegations, if he was over the limit then he deserves everything he gets for being that arrogant/stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
And here was me thinking it would be easier, quicker and cheaper to co-ordinate the raids the day before the warrents expired....but then I'm no solicitor :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
Mr Curtin wasn't at home on any of the dates his house was visited by the Gardai during the validity of the warrant. Apparently he hadn't come home. The warrant expires and all of a sudden Mr Curtin is available to have the warrant served. Of course it's unreasonable to think that he could have known anything about the warrant. The fact that the warrant was issued by a member of the judiciary to which Mr Curtin belongs is merely coincidence and I forbid anyone to think otherwise!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Smith