Riddickule,i wont argue on the Platinum1 issue(its been done),im a DFC supporter and the issue(their PLANS) do NOT sit well with me and/or most LOI fans.Plans C,D or E would be welcome though
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Riddickule,i wont argue on the Platinum1 issue(its been done),im a DFC supporter and the issue(their PLANS) do NOT sit well with me and/or most LOI fans.Plans C,D or E would be welcome though
On the same date, July 31 the first ever match will be played in the Aviva Stadium, with a combined provinces rugby match between Connacht/ Munster and Ulster/Leinster.
Could that be the 3rd party commercial agreement?
Have the FAI got an agreement with the IRFU not to interfere in any way with their historic opening match in Lansdowne Road?
I'd imagine Barca would steal all the sporting/news headlines that day?
The FAI are spot on - you can't have meanlingness friendlies against glamour opposition mid season close to league fixtures...
We played a friendly recently but as it wasn't FAI approved it was played behind closed doors. Maybe thats what Limerick and Barca should do! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
.........unless all the money goes to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Irish Times piece on this: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...270378351.html
Pretty mad that any club would budget for (and be allowed to do so) 100k profit from an unconfirmed friendly at licensing time, as is claimed in the article.
I think you could be right here. There is no way the IRFU would allow the FAI santion a match that would jepordise the selling of tickets for the Rugby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne
Who owns Thomond Park?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
I would imagine the FAI have the clubs over a barrel as presumably the participation agreement gives the FAI veto power over any game, but the reality is that this decision shows the FAI's vision of how football should look in Ireland.
Its effectively franchise football, with any real revenue going centrally and clubs forced to cede control to Abbottstown and in return the clubs get to bring their begging bowl to queue for some more gruel.
The FAI's statement is blatant that Limerick have stepped on their toes and encroached on revenue that they want for themselves. The reference to Platinum One above is apt. What we're seeing is no different.
CONGRATS TO THE FAI ! barely had they time to bask in the "glory" of the man ure fixture announcement (all genuflect) than they were upstaged by, God help us, a LOI club heavily armed with own initative. Quickly identifying the potential disaster that could ensue including
- good PR generated by a LOI club
- badly needed money injection to the game here
- great advertisement for football in the region (and beyond)
- a full Thomond for a game of football (something beyond the ability of the FAI)
Fortunately our esteemed administrators sprung into action (no need for investigation here, boyos, speedy action needed) to ban the proposed game. In their infinite mercy the FAI will not impose sanctions on Limerick for this grave offence (but remember your place in future) and the good people of Limerick (and beyond) are spared the sight of the marquee team of world club football. Truely a great days work, how officialdom of rugby and bogball must look in awe at the wonderous manageement of the FAI.
RE the possible clash with rugger game at Lansdowne (120 miles away !!!!) what remit do the FAI have to "protect" the interest of rugby ? The same one that will lead to the IRFU cancelling the Munster/Leinster match because it would detract from the SETANTA Cup final (roughly same distance apart) ?
BTW on the "independent" game, its a non runner as all games have to be sanctioned by national federations (ie barcelona won't play in a non UEFA sanctioned game (throuigh the FAI)), add in refs etc and its a complete non runner
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Originally Posted by marinobohs
The FAI and the IRFU are jointly funding the construction of the new Lansdowne.
Have the FAI sold all the requisite seats / Vantage scheme to contribute their share?
Do they owe the IRFU anything?
hopefully limerick can get this match its huge for the club to succeed in the future ....
What happens if Limerick go ahead and play the game anyway?
I don't even see why this is an issue. We all like to have a go at the FAI now and again, and it's utterly depressing that third-party commercial agreements (assuming the FAI wouldn't straight out lie about having them in place) with very little to do with Limerick, never mind the prospect of Limerick ever benefiting an ounce from them, would put a spanner in the works, but if these agreements do exist, the game just can't proceed.
Indeed, it sounds like a really lame excuse to prevent a game of such magnitude from taking place, which is probably why they felt the need to provide another pretty lame-sounding excuse regarding Limerick being obliged to retain ownership of the date for league fixtures. As a poster earlier pointed out, it's likely that this is a UEFA rule of some sort and is probably in the participation agreement, up to which Limerick willingly signed. If it's in the participation agreement, then it was a bit daft of Limerick to go ahead and organise this without first consulting the FAI. I think some people are getting ahead of themselves. I have as many reservations about the FAI as the next man, but to believe that they "banned" this game out of spite, jealousy or some anti-Limerick/pro-Dublin bias is tinfoil hat talk. In this instance, I'm sorry to say that it's Limerick's fault for getting everyone's hopes up in the first place.
I do admit, all this assumes that the reasons the FAI gave for refusing to sanction this game are not sly concoctions. I doubt the FAI would have such imagination.
Unless, of course, someone "in the know" knows otherwise... If so, please share you knowledge, O fountain.
Licencing shown up as total farce, never would've seen that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
All those posters that defended Delaney, and the "success" that they claimed the FAI running the league is a couple of months ago should be hanging their heads in shame.
Who knows, but as was said earlier, theres no way Barca will agree to play a non-sanctioned game, for insurance purposes alone if nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Ha, that's actually a good question. If the punishment was the imposition of a fine, maybe it would be insignificant enough compared to the potential moneys that the game itself would bring in if they went ahead and played it. I'd guess the punishment would be much more severe than this though. Maybe they'd be kicked out of the league or relegated. Still, didn't someone mention something about insurance and that any player who was involved in the game would have to be released from their contracts and re-registered again after? Sounds like a complete legal quagmire.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The only thing we "know" is the facts before us - that is the respective statements of Limerick and the FAI. Based on that people have surmised that it is yet another balls up by the Abbotstown muppet show.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
None of the reasons put forward by the FAI todate are deserving of any credence and until that changes people can only judge them on their own words.
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I do admit, all this assumes that the reasons the FAI gave for refusing to sanction this game are not sly concoctions. I doubt the FAI would have such imagination.
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The FAI are broke because of non-sales of over-priced Premium tkts and need all their imagination to pay their debts.
It's clear from this that any attempt to take potential earnings away from their coffers is met with the screech of brakes. 'Third party' muck is a smoke-screen.
Football in this country is run on a Nazi basis - with John Delaney as Hitler.
Yeah, that'll probably do it alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Yes limerick signed a participation agreement. But I'm sure limerick fc, or any other club for that matter never actually thought the FAI would ever prevent a LOI club playing a friendly against a team like barca. If anything it should be the opposite and the FAI should be doing everything in their power to make sure this game goes ahead for the benefit of a LOI club that the likes of the FAI are supposed to be helping to progress, not set back years.
Not quite Barca, but we were stopped from playing Dundee United last year on the date the two clubs had arranged because some other clubs were playing in the League Cup or something. Two changes of date later, we ended up playing on the date we'd initially agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
dont mean to go off topic, sort off, but does the mean if bohs make it to that round of the champions league, then the Man Ure game could get cancelled?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Threads like this just give you that helpless, sick feeling in the pit of your stomach.
Get behind Limerick Delaney, swallow your petty pride get the game played and a much needed (I'm sure) cash injection for Limerick.
It makes you despair, it realy does
Possibly not seeing as it's not a league fixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by danthesaint
I have a question, what would happen if it went from being a Limerick FC v Barcelona game to being a non FAI affiliated, Limerick Select XI v Barca?
Obviously the "Limerick Select XI" could make a nice donation to Limerick FC for any inconvenience caused...
See post #83.
But if it's in the participation agreement that such a friendly can't proceed, then you have to think that. You can't just fail to take your licencing agreement into account and go ahead and organise friendlies when you see fit. Limerick should have been aware of this, assuming it's part of the agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Certainly, the FAI should be looking for some way around their agreements if at all possible. This is too big an opportunity for Limerick to have it collapse due to self-interested agreements the FAI has with third parties who have nothing to do with Limerick. If there's a way around it, the FAI should be looking for it and then provide the go-ahead. I don't hold much hope though. It would require a lot of effort on the FAI's part and would also require the permission of the third party/parties to waive the agreement.Quote:
If anything it should be the opposite and the FAI should be doing everything in their power to make sure this game goes ahead for the benefit of a LOI club that the likes of the FAI are supposed to be helping to progress, not set back years.
But could the FAI actually refuse to sanction a challenge game between a representative side and a foreign club when it doesn't officially involve the league anymore? The Munster XI are playing Sunderland in Thomond on July 13. There are league games on the 9th, 10th, 11th and 16th of the month with Munster sides involved on at least 3 of those days and yet I assume that's going ahead.
But surely you can't expect them to disregard and fall foul of any legal agreements they already have in place? Sure, questions must be asked as to why the FAI signed up to them in the first place, and the exact details ought to be made known, at least to Limerick - assuming they haven't been already - out of respect for the club, but there's little can be done now. Once the agreements are in place, it's a very valid reason. Not to assume, of course, that the reasons for initially signing the agreements were all that valid or worthy of credence.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
It's not going to take money away from their coffers though, is it? The FAI have nothing to gain and nothing to lose from this venture of Limerick's, I would have thought. What do you imagine it will cost them? If they were hoping to bring Barcelona to Lansdowne Road, that's a separate issue and the possibility of it going ahead would not have been interfered with given that it appeared talks were already underway and Barcelona were considering it whilst having already agreed to play the game in Thomond Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
I agree Limerick should have taken the agreement into account more, but for now i'll give Limerick FC the benefit of the doubt that they thought the fact it wasn't clashing with any fixtures in Limerick, or the Munster region for that matter, that there might be an exception made for such a big game for the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Ya i wouldn't hold much hope either but i really think it should be their job to at least investigate the possibilty of working out a way to get the game played. Otherwise as far as i'm concerned i don't think the FAI are doing their job and it would make me wonder what is the point in them being involved with our league.Quote:
Certainly, the FAI should be looking for some way around their agreements if at all possible. This is too big an opportunity for Limerick to have it collapse due to self-interested agreements the FAI has with third parties who have nothing to do with Limerick. If there's a way around it, the FAI should be looking for it and then provide the go-ahead. I don't hold much hope though. It would require a lot of effort on the FAI's part and would also require the permission of the third party/parties to waive the agreement.
That's all well and good if it was the only reason the FAI gave. But then why mention that the FAI are also in talks with Barca over a friendly?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
No qualms with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Indeed, I admit that does puzzle me, seeing as it's a separate, if not largely irrelevant, issue for the reasons I gave in post #97. Possibly, it's pure PR; they wanted to lessen the blow of appearing as spoilsports by making it known that if Limerick can't bring Barcelona to Ireland then the FAI will be doing their utmost to make it happen. The FAI saves the day... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Or maybe they wanted to get it all out in the open rather than have people accusing them later of cancelling coz they were in talks with them.
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Exactly. If the FAI really were unable to approve the game due to a third-party commercial agreement, they wouldn't need to mention any other reasons.
But what we've actually got is 2 ludicrous reasons and 1 relatively unclear reason (Fran Gavin refused to go into detail about the nature of the agreement), all of which the FAI hope will add up to 1 credible reason.
I'm under the impression that if the FAI really wanted to, they could easily find a way around this third-party agreement. What confuses me, considering that the Aviva is taken for the only date Barca can possibly make it, is why the FAI are against it.
Well, that's just speculation, to be fair. Their deceit is often in the nature of concealing the full truth from the public - it's a more subtle and "safer" form of dishonesty - but would they flat-out lie? I just can't imagine they would do so publicly in the media. It's entirely plausible, however, that they felt people would mock, scoff and laugh at such a reason on its own - which is exactly what would have happened to a much greater degree of disgust than that felt at the minute - so thought it might be best to add a couple more equally pitiful reasons. As it turns out, they're still a laughing stock after giving two reasons and some not-really-relevant statement of intent, but it can't take away from the fact that there are agreements and obligations binding upon all concerned, bar Barcelona, which prevent this match from occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Have you not read the FAI statement?
For your benefit, here's the munure they've trotted out:
1) As the FAI has already told Limerick FC, their request for authorisation to confirm to FC Barcelona that they would be able to play in Ireland on July 31, was refused because of third party commercial agreements which prevent the Association from doing so.
2) In addition, the FAI has also told Limerick FC that it is in active and ongoing negotiations with FC Barcelona in relation to a visit of Aviva Stadium.
3) Thirdly, the Association told Limerick FC that it was obliged to retain ownership of the July 31 date because of Airtricity League fixtures.
Although the timing of Limerick FC’s proposal means this request cannot be granted, the FAI has already given permission to Limerick FC for a match it applied for involving Sunderland in Thomond Park on July 13. These excuses are, amongst other things, patronising on the people of Limerick.
What they are saying in Point 2 is that, because the FAI are trying to bring Barca to Ireland, it has influenced their decision. What other reason apart from income could be for that?
The FAI and Delaney have done many self-serving acts in the past but denying the people of Munster such a fantastic day at Thomond and the windfall that goes with is has to be the most outrageous.
Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised - after all this is the same Delaney who not that long ago asked FIFA to put us in as an extra team at the World Cup.
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Slow down lads, do we know what was in the participation agreement ? No we dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
However, what we do know is the FAI approved Limerick FC's budget plans which included a big money raising friendly in July.
(btw the Sunderland thing is not Limerick FC, and Limerick FC dont make a cent out of it).