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Originally Posted by RoversHead
Would it not make sense to post them rather dismiss his post?Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
There are far too many to post. The sillyness on here is unbelievable , one would swear that every club was devoid of a hooilgan element and innocent of incidents such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
From my own experience supporting Rovers:
Shels "fans" showering us in 50p's on leaving Tolka (years back)
Bohs "fans" storming Garda cordon's outside Dalymount
Pats "fans" crossing the pitch to confront the Rovers fans, followed by the destruction of their own ground.
Dundalk "fans" tossing ball bearings being into the away end
Trouble in The Brandywell with the "fans" and Stewarts
Cars and Busses vandalised in Cork and drogheda
This isn't an isolated Shamrock Rovers incident this is mostly leagues wide (bar the lesser supported clubs, UCD, Bray ect.)
I think most posters should be looking at their own house before the condem others, time for common sense, though it does seem to be that common around here.
Do they need to be posted to prove it? They are there for all to see, even red4eva. They are far easier to find too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
the game in oriel tonight was properly policed.If an element travel to create trouble then you can police and steward it to death and you will still get trouble.The main point is SRFC fans have done this before and the club and their board have just pushed the problem to one side.I agree with posters on here tonight that say we all have scum elements involved and following "their" clubs but not to the extent that they will come close to getting a LOI game abandoned.(and i thought at one stage that it was going to go that way) Do not blame the chambers or MON sendings off as been the catalyst for the trouble,it was going to start at one time or another because the scum involved went to oriel tonight with just that on their minds.
SRFC board and fans deserve a big fine and a sanction of some kind because that side off their house MUST be put in order and fast
One of the main lads involved in all of the trouble is in my school, and i know a few of the others to see from around tallaght, they are absolute scumbags !
People are probably overreacting - the section of the crowd was briefly out of control, but the stadium was more than adequately policed and they Gards easily defused the situation. It took a few minutes for cool heads to prevail on the Shams (I'm a Rovers fan, for the record) side, but nothing serious happened, probably because it was the poser faction going up against a police force that's dealt with far, far worse.
The referee had clearly bottled it by that point, though. Unless I'm mistaken, the referee signalled 6 minutes added on (the game was stopped longer than that for the disturbances alone) and blew up after 5.
you know enough of us to know that we are solid LOI fans who greet other fans with a warm welcome in the Maldron before games,a welcome that you yourself have enjoyed,you have let yourself down jumping on this thread and adding to the they are all scum nonsense but you are young you will learn,and we will welcome you again in friendship and football.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
A few observations about the disturbances from Shamrock Rovers "fans" tonight:
1) The number of trouble makers involved were relatively small among a large and generally decent Shamrock Rovers support (some of whom left the ground immediately the trouble erupted).
2) The problem was dealt with quickly and with great efficiency by stewards in the first place and especially by the Gardai subsequently
3) To my knowledge no one was injured or hurt (other then the perpetrators, possibly)
4) There were no arrests inside the ground (although there certainly could/should have been)
5) Opposing fans did not come into contact in any skirmish.
6) It is inevitable that the media and some foot.ie posters take pleasure in exaggerating and point scoring on rival clubs in this type of situation.
None of the above disguises the potentially dangerous and unacceptable situation that is facilitated by the inaction and irresponsible attitudes of those running the Shamrock Rovers club:
A) The lack of co-operation from SRFC regarding ticket sales for away games is appalling. SRFC have continually thwarted efforts by Dundalk (and presumably by other clubs) to make games ticket only. This is starkly illustrated by the fact that less then 100 tickets were sold by SRFC in advance for tonights game. For the last league game in October only token efforts were made to sell tickets, with Rovers fans being expressly told by the club that "you can get them on the night" despite a specific agreement to the contrary. This distancing from responsibility by SRFC is indicative of the general attitude and apathy towards how some followers of the club behave.
Of course advance sales of tickets by SRFC would not guarantee an absence of the moronic behaviour seen tonight, but would certainly allow for many known troubles makers to be stopped at source.
B) There were minor but unsavory incidents on both occasions when Rovers came to Oriel Park last season. On one occasion a senior SRFC official was asked to intervene with a number of unruly Rovers supporters in the stand. He refused to leave the bar, saying it was nothing to do with him!
C) On another occasion another Rovers board member actually interfered with a steward who was trying politely to get some Rovers fans to return from the home section to their allocated section of the stand. The arguments and interference became a far greater potential flashpoint then the original difficulty.
D) The same Rovers board member was incredibly sanguine about events tonight, shrugging the shoulders and saying "that’s football, passions get inflamed"
Make no mistake about it, Shamrock Rovers do not have a monopoly of badly behaved followers (we in Dundalk have our own significant small core of trouble seekers). There was no direct serious outcome tonight. But if proper and decisive action is not taken it is only a question of time before there are serious consequences. A further consequence is that the reporting of tonights trouble is likely to entice more trouble makers to Oriel and disuade families from attended.
If clubs (which includes their decent fans) are not prepared to take the required decisive actions needed, and continue to pay lip service to their responsibilities (which includes the idiot posters here and on the SRFC forum minimising the issues), the FAI must take the more stick then carrot approach. Fines are not working for SRFC - it is time to change attitudes there with a more radical approach
Why didn't they just pepper-spray the c***s.
Fran Gavin: "'Shamrock Rovers are owned by the supporters and they have worked very closely with their supporters and have been a model club in that area and have worked well in the community."
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0504/gavinf.html
"Model club" , "community", blah blah blah.
Ah, so its the community's fault then?
No, it's Salthill, Monaghan, Mervue and UCD's fault for bringing the scum element into our beautiful well run league. Disgraceful clubs they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Fran Gavin really is a fool, he talks an awful lot of waffle. To think he has a senior role in Irish football, think its time to go Francis.
Rovers should definitely be fined for this.......but we all know they won't or if they are it will be some piddly token gesture amount.
Interesting post by Ezeikial on their lack of cooperation aswell.
As for Fran I don't think his rubbish comments today are a suprise at all. Him and the FAI are so pro Rovers it's sickening.
Everytime Fran Gavin is on tv he comes out with the same rubbish, how Rovers are the example for the league, everyone should copy them etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadruple1928
If he actually took a hard line (meaningful fines etc.) against the club instead of all his inane waffle it would actually force the club to deal with the issues.
Instead we just have to hope Shamrock win at the weekend to avoid any potential for trouble & the officials don't make any decisions that might upset the shamrock fans
It always saddens me to an extent to hear people call for the club to be punished, the club to be hit with a massive fine etc. The people that run Shamrock Rovers Football Club are good, honest football people. They have worked wonders with very limited resources these past few years to develop the club to what it is today and they should all be very proud. They cannot be responsible for who decides to support them. Over the years, especially in the late 70's I can remember savage violence at LOI games involving clubs like Sligo Rovers, Waterford and Dundalk when they came to Limerick. At all times both parties were to blame. Our bus was stoned in Dalymount in 1982 at the Cup Final by Bohs fans and a 60 year old man had to get 12 stitches in his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
The Rovers board have nothing to be ashamed of. It's the small minority of scumbags that need to be identified, fined and jailed. Unfortunately it is very hard to deter these people from travelling to away games. Policing needs to be scrutinised more outside the ground with a better screening process in place for known troublemakers. Examples need to be made of these people in the courts and the media
Fair enough everyone has their own problems but I certainly don't believe that it's as bad as ye have it. That's twice this season already where your fans have caused trouble at a match (coming onto the pitch against Pats as well) which is a pretty bad ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by BluSonic
I do believe that Shams have to get some sort of fine over this. I think we got a fine last season for some banners from the Forza Rovers crew after the McGuinness / Boco racist incident. The Forza boys don't make up anywhere near the majority of our fans whatsoever but the club suffered because of this. What happened last night is certainly worse then that I would think
Agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
The FAI should be working with the Gardai and the clubs to maintain a database of banned individuals who are not permitted entry to LoI grounds. If there are legal obstacles to this, they should be sorted out. Other countries can do it, so should we.
If at that point clubs don't enforce banning orders, then throw the book at them. But the FAI and Gardai need to take the lead on this IMO.
What bothers me the most is the joy that most other fans are greeting this with. FFS lads its pathetic, take off the blinkers and see it for what it is. Ugly scenes no doubt, scumbags indeed, but it was 20 lads out of hundreds. They're on live TV, hopefully the board or the Gardia will take action and they wont be let into any LOI ground for the foreseeable future. More productive than a points deduction or heavy fine but not what most here want to see, predictably. This sort of petty point scoring is embarrassing.
The most annoying thing for me is the fact that they are talking about it on the news and on the radio stations, but they wouldn't talk about the irish matches if they're had been no trouble. .if your goin to show all the bad stuff on the news you have to show the good stuff and the matches every week as well,they can all go fcuk off with their ''premier league". And im not saying that the rovers fans were right to do this,there was just a group of 20 or so scumbags who ruined the game for everybody !
Speak for yourself. Ref only played 88 minutes when we were holding on for a draw. Your scumbags did us a favour! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran W
Once trouble like this happens, the usual suspects will be on the airwaves and media criticising the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran W
All clubs (not just Rovers) have to rid themselves of their scumbag element. Enticing families to games is the way forward and scenes like last night put off a lot of peole.
In fairness this does seem a bit over blown. I guess having the director of the FAI/ the minister for justice there and the game live on TV does make it hard to sweep away. Bohs had a similar event in Bray last year, game stopped/ police on the pitch etc although not for as long. Its not quiet at the level of Wednesday fans attacking palace players on Sunday and yet we hear nothing about that. People like to knock the league and its supporters, we should not join in.
That said the idiots involved last night did drag their own clubs name through the muck, it should be up to Rovers to sort out.
I don't see the contradiction. The ownership model of Rovers is the sort of model that the League should be promoting. That doesn't mean they get everything right or don't deserve to be punished. The FAI made licencing a farce to bend over backwards for privately owned Cork City - they fudge for the "big" clubs, not on ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
your digging a hole there mateQuote:
Originally Posted by BluSonic
theres list a long if not longer on just rovers fans alone incidents , everyone here knows its a small minority of so called rovers fans that cause these headlines but its up to yous at your club to fix it.
theres been two major incidents this season from supporters one last night and one against st pats in tallaght .
its no coincident that both incidents involved so called rovers fans
Nah, that's rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran W
I wouldn't expect my Leinster Senior League match to be on TV, but if I killed someone in it, I would.
The news shows extreme stories/stories of interest, that's the nature of it.
Im talking about rte news and all the radio stations giving big reports on all the premierleague matches but they tell you the results of the irish matches in 5 seconds flat. They dont even tell you the scorers ffs !
Apparently being a "model club" makes one immune to criticism and censure. Even when fans go on a rampage, attack the Guards, and try to cause the abandonment of game, the FAI appear on the air lauding Rovers as a "model club".Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
They obviously didn't try and get the game abondoned. Jaysus fellah calm down. its a serious enough situation without inventing crap to lump on top of them
Beyond identifying previously banned individuals to the home club's security at the turnstiles, and working with the Gardai and home club security to identify individuals after the incident, I'm not sure what more Rovers as a club can do when the trouble happens at an away ground?
If the Gardai are too incompetent/lazy/underresourced to arrest and press charges, then they are in effect sanctioning the behaviour that went on. We have a criminal justice system for a reason, and it is this that has to be the primary sanction in these kind of events.
It is the opinion of other people as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Foster last night claimed that the offending section of the Rovers support were trying to get the game abandoned.
"That's what they were trying to do at that point," said Foster, "Thankfully the referee has seen past that and let us play on."
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-2163196.html
You may try and sweep it under the carpet, but to many people in the stadium it was obvious that the Rovers fans were trying to make the rest of the match unplayable.
Is Foster a schizophrenic? Cos I don't see how he can otherwise remotely be considered "other people".Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
And anyway, the opinion of an opposing manager is worthless in incidents like this. If you believed everything an opposing manager claimed...
That is what is called an e x a m p l e.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I can give you the names, addresses, and inside leg measurements of others who expressed a similar opinion.
We had had several issues with away supporters happen in the Carlisle in particular from Bohs and Rovers over the past 5/6 years. Dundalk have also had their moments in the Carlisle Grounds over the past 2 seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by chippie0001
Every club has an element that they would rather be without, it is up to each club to sort it out in house, if they do not then they deserve every fine/sanction they get and more.
I would totally disagree with you last sentance. If clubs allow this sort of behaviour or do nothing about it then we as fans should join in and put pressure on the club in question to clean up their act because it's doing the rest of us no favours at all.
LOL, why would I want it swept under the carpet?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Why would Rovers fans want the match abandoned? they've already lost a few this season, you and the "other people" are clearly insane (or mischievous) if you think they wanted this game called off.
Its ridiculously OTT claims like this that actually help get things "swpt under the carpet" as they can filibuster thier way through this, rather thana ddress the real issues at hand
Well said Joe Soap,your post is the most sensible so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Except the lads involved last night are very well known to people within Rovers and have been involved in previous incidents. They're not banned form Tallaght either.
If Rovers clamp down on them, they will absolutely get plaudits from people here, the majority of whom are pro Rovers (despite what Rovers fans themselves think - look at any of the Tallaght threads for proff)
im not going to be too hard on the Rovers posters here as i know that when its your own club that is under the spotlight its very hard not to try and make excuses for or in some way defend how and why it happened. For us last year against Bray it was the Gardai's fault, for Dundalk when they showered Fenlon with coins during an interview it was TG4's fault, today its the referee's fault.
The simple fact of the matter is that it is a small percentage of people who are causing these headlines. However, the comments of Fran Gavin are irresponsible and he should be applying pressure on SRFC to try and eliminate this problem. In his rush to defend them he has actually only made the potential for future incidents more likely. I know Bohemians have tried to stamp out the problem since Derry with varying degrees of success. There are still occasional incidents and occasional mistakes in admitting trouble makers but i think a good job has been done overall.
It would be nice to see some genuine response from Rovers and the League on this. From what i have seen of it, it was actually a pretty stupid incident but very noticeable and, unfortunately, the damage has been done in the public eye.
Well said.