Was Gerry Peyton ever a substitute for Arsenal before taking over as their goalkeeping coach?
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Was Gerry Peyton ever a substitute for Arsenal before taking over as their goalkeeping coach?
I was about to post a very similar team, would have had Niall Quinn up front with Stapleton though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot to include Quinn - would definitely have him in ahead of Graham Barrett.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluesfan
sorry ET - totally missed that!Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
More Irish in the West Midlands....
West Brom
Dean Kiely
Paul McShane
Kevin Kilbane
Mick Martin
Paddy Mulligan
John Giles
Tony Grealish
Mark Kinsella
Reg Ryan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Ryan
Ray Treacy
Davy Walsh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Walsh
"Ancient" or no, Elisha Scott was one of the greatest keepers ever. Bill Shankly rated him as good as he ever saw (certainly Liverpool's finest) and he is the club's longest serving player ever. (He would likely have been their record appearance holder but for the War).Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Also, when Liverpool fans had a Poll of the 100 All-Time Greatest Liverpool players a few years (5?) ago, he was way up the list. Since virtually none of the voters could ever have seen him play, this is a Testament to just how his reputation is handed down from Father to Son to Grandson etc at Anfield.
And only a few of his earliest caps were pre-Partition; his last Ireland cap was in 1936, when he was 42!
Anyhow, if you want to read more about him, the following Bio's are fascinating:
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/...sha-scott.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-14422269.html
http://www.lfchistory.net/player_pro...?player_id=833
P.S. Elisha's older brother Billy was also an outstanding goalkeeper, for Everton (almost 300 appearances) and Ireland (25 caps, all pre-Partition):
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/09/billy-scott.html
Aside from Paddy Roche (mentioned earlier), you are overlooking Drogheda man Tommy Breen - by all accounts a wonderful keeper. He got 5 caps for the FAI (plus 9 for the IFA):Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/08/tommy-breen.html
Anyhow, here is a MU team solely from NI, fit to take on all-comers:
Harry Gregg
Jimmy Nicholl
Jackie Blanchflower
Jonny Evans
Mal Donaghy
Sammy McIlroy
Jimmy Nicholson
Dee McCreery
Mickey Hamill
George Best
Norman Whiteside
(500 caps between them and counting)
Whether counted as ROI (Donegal-born and 1 FAI cap), NI (11 IFA caps, 9 of them post-Partition) or simply Ireland, the first name on the list should be Patsy "Mighty Atom" Gallagher - with nearly 500 appearances, arguably the greatest Celt of them all:Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/...gallagher.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patsy_Gallacher
And if you are going to include Nordies, as has been mentioned, there were few finer than Bertie "Little Ant" Peacock - one of the heroes of Sweden 58:
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/...e-beacock.html
If you don't mind the fact that all his caps were for the IFA ("Ireland"), you really ought to include Wicklow man Jack Kirwan - one of the outstanding stars of English football in his day (also played for Everton and Chelsea):Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/01/jack-kirwan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirwan
P.S. Kirwan also had an All-Ireland winners medal in GAA and was the first manager of Ajax of Amsterdam.
You might also consider the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Val Harris - http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/12/val-harris.html
Alex Stevenson - http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/...stevenson.html (also first name on the list in any ROI/Rangers XI)
Billy Lacey - http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/10/billy-lacey.html (though played many more times for Liverpool)
Ealing if you've any connection to that site you might want to inform them of Stevenson's time with St pats (when he returned home)
Birmingham (surprisingly easy)
Seamus McDonagh
Davy Langan
Liam Daish
Kenny Cunningham
Jeff Kenna
Steven Finnan
John Sheridan
Lee Carsley
Gerry Daly
Don Givens
Clinton Morrisson
Subs: Stephen Carr, Stephen Kelly, Alex Bruce, Keith Fahey, Colin Doyle
No Villa side would be complete without Con "Mr. Versatility" Martin (father of Mick); if nothing else, this former GAA footballer was a better keeper than Henderson, having represented both the FAI and Villa in goals as well as several outfield positions!Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Martin
Although I'd hope you wouldn't hold it against him that he was apparently at least as keen to play for the IFA as he was the FAI, eventually being forced against his will to opt solely for the Republic:
http://irishabroad.com/news/irishpos...thOf220308.asp
P.S. Jamie Ward has yet to get his first full NI cap. And if you're really stuck for strikers, at a push you could try Peter McParland (started his career with Dundalk) or Derek Dougan (took the huff when left out by NI and tried to set up his own all-Ireland team)
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/...mcparland.html
EVERTON
1. Gerry Peyton
2. Terry Phelan
3. Kevin Kilbane
4. Richard Dunne
5. Shane Duffy
6. Mike Milligan
7. Lee Carsley
8. Gareth Farrelly
9. Tom Eglinton
10. Alex Stephenson
11. Kevin Sheedy
Struggled with the forwards!! Not a very Irish friendly club Everton
Hostorically, you couldn't be more wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Did Jeff Chandler ever get a cap whilst at Leeds I wonder. Think he also played for Bolton
A bit like Ireland too, to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
Barnet.
1. Gary Breen
2. Gary Breen
3. Gary Breen
4. Gary Breen
5. Gary Breen
6. Gary Breen
7. Gary Breen
8. Gary Breen
9. Gary Breen
10. Gary Breen
11. Gary Breen
Sorry... :p
I must be dreaming...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I thought about it, thought, "nah, its been done too many times"...apparently tets and Bluebeard disagree though :oQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I didn't forget him I'd rather include any of the MF players than him :PQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I could have also added Liam Kearney and few other players that returned to LOI aswell
Not being smart Dodge, but why do you say that? Considering so many people see Everton as the "Catholic" club on Merseyside (historically incorrect as they were founded by methodists) and Liverpool as the "Protestant" club (again methodists) Liverpool seem to have had far more Irish players through the years. Admittedly that is not the case now but in the past Liverpool seem to have been more Irish friendly. Would genuinely love to read why you think differently mate. You too Bluebeard. Please bear in mind I know there are clubs with far less Irish connections, has anyone tried to do Chelsea? I think I got nine inc one N.I. and 2 from way back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
While both clubs were indeed founded by Methodists the early supporters of both clubs tended to be drawn from different areas of the city. Traditionally more Everton support was from the North of the city where the predominantly catholic Irish immigrants settled, while Liverpool's was more from the South and out onto the Wirral. Traditionally it was felt that the Irish immigrants tended towards the Blue side. I was even told once that the colour of Everton's shirts is not "Royal Blue" but is in fact "Virgin Mary Blue" - look at any statue in a church.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
Everton certainly capitalised on the Irish links (and particularly with Shamrock Rovers) by signing several players from the League of Ireland both before and after the second world war. It's interesting to look at the two teams selected above - apart from Elisha Scott from Belfast I can't think of another Irish player at Liverpool until Steve Heighway in 1970. The Irish Everton team has at least 4 names from the late 40s-early 50s. There is no doubt that any distinction has been lost over the years and the number of Irish players at Anfield has been proof of this.
It's a similar story in Manchester where City were always regarded as the Catholic club but when Sir Matt Busby (a catholic who had played for City) took over as manager that changed very quickly and we can see that impact with the number of United shirts on every street in Ireland at this stage.
Playing Giles and Best probably had something to do with it tooQuote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Absolutely true Tets, but that really just proves the point that religion was pretty meaningless when a team caught people's hearts. In fact the large Irish support for United pre-dates both Best and Giles. Jackie Carey was a big name player just after the war and captained United to the FA Cup in 1948. When the Busby Babes (including Billy Whelan) played Rovers in the European Cup in 1957 they drew a huge crowd to Dalymount. The Munich Air Disaster a few months later had a big impact in Ireland as well so it is no surprise that they became such a well-supported club.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
With a bit of licence (using some guests from the six counties and a few uncapped players) we have teams above for Arsenal, Aston Villa, Barnet !, Birmingham, Celtic, Coventry, Everton, Fulham, Leeds, Liverpool, Mancester City, Manchester United, Millwall, Newcastle, Nottingham Forest, Shamrock Rovers, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Tottenham, West Brom, Wolves.
Bohs should be easy to add (21 players to choose from).
Using only players who were actually capped for the Republic of Ireland when they were playing for the club I have full teams for West Ham and Blackburn below but I was only able to get 11 outfield players at QPR and 10 players at Preston (incl. 2 goalkeepers)
West Ham (5-3-2)
Noel Dwyer
Gary Breen
Noel Cantwell
Charle Turner (1938/1939)
Tommy Moroney (1948-1951)
Chris Hughton
Frank O'Farrell
Liam Brady
Dan McGowan (1949)
David Connolly
David Kelly
Blackburn (3-4-3)
Alan Kelly Jr / Shay Given
Jeff Kenna
Kevin Moran
Mick McGrath (1958-1965)
Jason McAteer
Steven Reid
Keith Andrews
Lee Carsely
Damien Duff
Frank Stapleton
Andy McEvoy
Subs: Joe Haverty, Eamon Rogers, Jonathan Douglas
QPR (no keeper and loads of forwards)
?
Ray Brady
Terry Mancini
Damien Delaney
Gary Waddock
Martin Rowlands
Liam Miller
John Byrne
Don Givens
Michael Robinson
Paul McGee
Sub: Mickey Walsh
Preston (2 goalkeepers but only 8 outfield players 4-3-3)
Alan Kelly Sr / Wayne Henderson
John Anderson
Mark Lawrenson
Sean St. Ledger
John 'Sonny' O'Neill (1960)
Frank O'Farrell
?
?
Paul McGee
Ray Treacy
Johnny Fullam
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Originally Posted by bluesfan
This thread made be look at a great book from about 1990 called Green Gunners, the only goal keepers in it were Northern Irish, Jack McClelland and of course Pat Jennings. Two young guns who were tipped to be the next Irish Gunners were Pat Scully (who got one cap at Arsenal) and Kwame Ampadu! The author's All time Irish Arsenal XI (North and Republic Players) :
Pat Jennings
Pat Rice
Sammy Nelson
Terry Neill
David O'Leary
Terry Mancini
Liam Brady
Joe Haverty
Jimmy Dunne
Niall Quinn
Frank Stapleton
All so this guy had an interesting career http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_Sloan
What about Eddie Nolan, currently on loan from Preston at Wednesday?Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Crystal Palace - Got everything apart from a Goalkeeper:-
Defenders - Paddy Mulligan, Curtis Fleming, Steve Staunton (on loan), Terry Phelan (on loan).
Midfielders - Eddie McGoldrick, Ray Houghton, Mark Kennedy, Jerry Murphy.
Forwards - Clinton Morrison, Alan Lee
Sub - Steven Hunt, Sean Scannell (I know he hasn't got a full cap yet, but he'll get one soon)
I can think of others who've got B caps or maybe under 21 caps, but I know the following never made a full appearance - Paddy McCarthy, Brian Launders, Tony Scully, Tony Folan, Rory Ginty, Henry Hughton.
Brian Mooney? I know he wasn't capped but rated v highly by PNE fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Stephen Elliott is there still. Were Judge or Treacy there at any point on loan?
Edit: Treacy scored for PNE yesterday.
A few uncapped and unlikely to be capped at this stage here. There are probably some more from past era's which im unaware of, who would boost this line up, any suggestions welcome.
Leicester City
Conrad Logan
Paddy McCarthy Alex Bruce Damien Delaney
Alan Maybury Alan Sheehan
Mark Yeates Clive Clark Jonathan Hunt
David Kelly David Connolly
Manager : Rob Kelly
Bench: Paul Murphy (GK), Stephen Dawson, David Bell
Northern Ireland
So far Ive got, Neil Lennon, Gerry Taggart, Paul Ramsey, Keith Gillespie, Jimmy Quinn, Billy Kee, John O'Neil, Colin Hill.
Manager : Martin O'Neil / Nigel Worthington
Anyone know of another three N.I. guys who played for Leicester? a keeper would be handy.
We could then all sit down together an select one decent 11 from both......... could we not?
CTP
Galway United
Seamus McDonagh/Peter Thomas (one would have to be deployed outfield)
Jeff Kenna
Seamus Conneally (U21)
Fran Brennan
Paddy Mulligan
Eamon Deacy
John Herrick
Jay O'Shea (U21)
Paul McGee
One man short !
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Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne
Tony Folan has a few under 21 caps
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2007/...onnection.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
As can be seen from the above, 11 players have represented NI (Ireland) whilst with Leicester (Young Billy Kee, whilst a prospect, still has a huge way to go)
Anyhow, none was a keeper (and about five of them played Centre Half!)
Of those I have seen, Gerry Taggart was a particular favourite and Paul Ramsey always seemed quietly competent to me.
And I guess Willie Cunningham may have been one of those players who seemed to rise to the occasion whenever he pulled on the green jersey:
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/...unningham.html