What if current bohs players were at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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What if current bohs players were at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
and another player.Quote:
Originally Posted by saint dog
See the previous (unsubtle) post.
I sense an "infraction" coming down!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
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Originally Posted by monkey9
To be fair I know Sammy and he is as thick as 2 short planks
:bigsmile: Findings of investigation are complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by GM11
If Higgins and/or McGlynn are involved? I dunno.... i guess they would be suspended too and its too bad for us. Id imagine we would be able to terminate their contracts in some way though.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
Well if you named the Team and the players were identifiable and there were no substantive grounds for your speculation then you would have landed this web site in a lot of difficulties. "What if`s" do not protect the publisher from defamation claims. Mods? (sorry no idea how to use report function)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
Fancy this for luckQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
http://www.ccfcforum.com/forum/index...howtopic=35271
for the benefit of those who are not registered to CCFC's forum, can you tell us what that says? Another internet rumour is hardly a reliable source. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in my response that you were referring to previous Derry players now at Bohs.
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/3120/Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Fair enough, done up like a kipper.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
RULE 100. BETTING / GAMBLING
Anyone who directly or indirectly bets, instructs someone to bet on their behalf, or provides others with
information for the purpose of betting or gambling on a result, conduct or progress of a match or
competition in which that person or his club is participating or has control over, shall be subject to
disciplinary sanctions.
well then my original response stands. If he is found to have breached the FAI rules and subsequently suspended so be it and we should be allowed to terminate his contract. If not, then the issue will be over as far as im concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
Plus there is a huge difference in betting on your own teams games and the bets that McGlynn has made.
I very much doubt you would be able to terminate his contract for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It's a standard player contract and id be shocked if it mentioned being able to terminate on the basis of breaking an FAI rule
There's quite a discrepancy between the punishment the FAI gave Dempsey and FIFA gave Morrow. It'll be interesting to see what McGlynn gets, the fact that his own team weren't involved in any games may mean a less severe punshment than Morrow but we'll see.
im not sure if would be allowed to either micls but it doesnt mean that, on principle, we shouldnt be allowed to. That said, the more i read about it, the sorrier i feel for the guy and if he does get suspended, then maybe us fining him for a portion of his suspension would be a better idea, as was mentioned on the Bohs mb.
The rules don't specify a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
i didnt say they did but i think most sane people would acknowledge that there is a difference in the two offences.
No, father. 'Tis my money, I just didn't want to fill out the forms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
I didn't know the rule was that strict. There was a Sligo player last year putting stuff up on his facebook about betting on a game he was playing in which I presume would see the book thrown at him (he backed himself for first scorer if I remember correctly, I posted about it at the time)Quote:
RULE 100. BETTING / GAMBLING
Anyone who directly or indirectly bets, instructs someone to bet on their behalf, or provides others with
information for the purpose of betting or gambling on a result, conduct or progress of a match or
competition in which that person or his club is participating or has control over, shall be subject to
disciplinary sanctions.
Assume ignorance is a fine plea according to the PFAI?
based on the rule you posted Jicked, it looks like he's off the hook for that one as its a Div 1 game. :)Quote:
Kildare v Longford – 5 June 2009
Anyone know if these rules were in force when Dempsey was suspended for two games for betting on a Pats game (which is also different to the bets that McGlynn made) a couple of seasons ago? Precedent there suggests a fine and short ban might suffice for McGlynn.
they were in force he was uhh banned on the basis of the rules, which suggest to me these lads may be in more poop then they let on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Click the triangle under the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Alan Cawley, if I remember right. Playing for Pats at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
That was a classic thread. :)
Dempsey was banned for 5 games under the very same rule (He was banned for 2 games by the club before the FAI/League sanction)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
There may be a slight moral difference in terms of how fans of each club view it... But Dempsey bet on a single LOI game (in a double with a British game) that he wasn't involved in. McGlynn bet on 4 LOI games he wasn't involved in. I can't imagine how you think he'd get less than the 5 games Dempsey got (and as mentioned, he could not be sacked under the Standard playing Contract)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I know at least 10 l.o.i players past and present who regularly do/did weekend accumulators involving other teams. They were certainly not secrative about it and i am sure were unaware of consequences.I think they thought as long as it was not a game they were involved in that it was okQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Read the rule posted above "in which that person or his club is participating or has control over" of course Dempseys was far worse than the 3 games McGlynn bet on - the 1st Div game can obv be ruled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Were Derry competing in the "League of Ireland Premier Division" or the "League of Ireland"?
A case could probably be made for both.
Seeing as we're in the Brandywell on Friday, anyone know who Sammy is betting on?
it is probably meant to cover both but i dont think the language really supports that. "participates in or has control over" is pretty weak in my opinion. Did you win the League of Ireland Division One Championship or did you just come 11th in the League of Ireland? (just trying to illustrate my point)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
We won the League of Ireland First Division. But "Division" really suggests a partition, so really, we were in the same competition as Derry last year, just in a different part of the same competition.
Dempsey played for Pats and bet on a Pats game that he was not involved in. McGlynn played for Derry and bet on 8 teams (4 ties), none of which were Derry. Morrow bet on games he particpated in. 3 degrees of the same offence and I think there is an obvious difference between each instance. In my opinion, McGlynns is the lesser of the 3 offences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
i disagree - two seperate trophies, two seperate champions - therefore two seperate competitions only one of which he participated in or had control over.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Does a player betting on a Prem division game he's not involved in (nor his team) have more control over the result than if betting on a game in a different division?
Or neither, retrospectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
thats not what the rule speaks to Osa. Once your team is participating, the control part of the law doesnt matter as you have already breached the rule. You dont necessarily have to have control over the game - it is just an offence to bet on the "result, conduct or progress of a match or competition in which that person or his club is participating or has control over".Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
The control part speaks to cases like Morrow's i.e. the player had control over the result conduct or progress of the game (because he played).
Yep, I'd imagine we all do.Quote:
Originally Posted by shep
As above, Dempsey bet on a game he had no control over. McGlynn did the same.
The argument is over whether the rule applies to all matches within a competition (which I think it does) or whether its specifically applies to matches his club were involved in (which I assume Bohs fans are arguing)
I should point out, I've no real problem with players betting on LOI games they're not playing in (regardless of who they play for, and who they bet on). Others can have their own morality thresholds higher.
Wrong. So far what we know is,Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
1/ Morrow bet on Derry games.
2/ McGlynn used the same computer as Morrow for a number of bets.
3/ Betfair were concerned about Mcglynn's betting pattern
4/ McGlynn has admitted to breaking rules by betting on 4 different matches.
You and many others are extremely naive to think that that is all McGlynn done, its simply all he as admitted to. It's well known that McGlynn likes a bet, his statement alone suggests he only ever bet on 4 loi games? Thats sheer madness in itself