Nedser - thank you for your insight. Crosby87 - in your replies to Nedser you come across like one of the teenagers you referred to in your earlier post. Sarcasm doesn't become you; it would be better to leave it alone.
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Nedser - thank you for your insight. Crosby87 - in your replies to Nedser you come across like one of the teenagers you referred to in your earlier post. Sarcasm doesn't become you; it would be better to leave it alone.
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I was in the Belgian end for WC qualifier in Hampden park in 2001 with a couple of Belgian friends when Van Buyten scored an equaliser at the death .. which severely dented Scotland's hopes for qualifying for the 2002 World Cup. (There were a couple of Celtic fans in Belgian jerseys too - supporting that Belgian CB that used to play for them). Final whistle - the scots beside the Belgian end turned around and starting firing scarves at the Belgian fans and applauding them. I could not believe it. Best fans in the world on that evidence - can you imagine us doing the same?
Didn't we do something similar after both the playoff defeat to the durch and the draw away to Lichtenstein?Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
This I well believe, I know Scottish Celtic fans who love McGeady for declaring for Ireland, they see the Scottish National side as an extension of Rangers and their loyalty is only to Celtic, the national team might as well not exist for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
Anyone that has ever lived in Britain will know that the most anti-irish people on the whole over there are the Scots. I think this nonsense of a special relationship must come from the younger generation that grew up during the celtic tiger and never had to emmigrate and work with Scots.
There were so many times when I was working on a building site and the craic would be great between the Irish and lads from the whole of England, Wales, the North (protestant lads) and the scots brought the atmosphere down with sectarianism. From my own experience, the most sectarian lads were scottish (catholic and protestant) as opposed to lads from the North from both sides of the religious divide who actually might have had a reason to be bitter. Many of these Scots came not from Glasgow but from Dundee, Aberdeen and small villages.
Obviously most Scottish people are decent, in the same way that most Iranians and Bolivians are but special relationship...you're having a laugh:D
The only people that I would say the Irish have a special relationship with in Britain is the Scousers. I was working there in 88 when Razor scored against England and the pub that I was in went so mental you might as well have been in Mullingar!90% of the scousers were cheering for us.
It's just a lot of hot air from the Scots, if McGready was at the world cup they would all be secretly cheering him and Ireland on, you know it, I know it
and all the Jocks on that site know it.
I think I will have to post this fact on that site and see if anyone has the guts to admit it :D
Let us know how you get on with that one, tricky!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Of course we have a special relationship with Scotland... have none of ye ever seen Braveheart? :p
21st century- sources of history - films :cool:
Braveheart must be the most historically unaccurate film ever :p Except maybe the film where the Americans crack the enigma code!
Anyway, let's hope McGeady and McCarthy have an excellent 2012 campaign.
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Originally Posted by Crosby87
Don't be such a prat. He may not be a member on here that long but his contribution in this short period outweighs yours normal dribble by 100%.
I think this fits in well with the context of this thread.........
although the anti irish thing is a minority, there is imo a mass hatred for anybody who has been brought up in scotland turning their backs on "their country". i dont think most people hate ireland for it but they certainly dont like mcgeady or mccarthy for it though.
Wasn't my experience at all on the sites 20 years back, a good portion of the local London lads had no time for 'Paddies, Sweaty socks or the blacks'. Whereas the non English stuck together. This was the height of the troubles mind but still. When I was travelling round Oz we tended to get on better and have more in common with the likes of the Scots (even Rangers fans) then we did with the English (I know that's a big generalisation, there were obviously exceptions). Have done a couple of music festivals round Europe and still find the same, there's a far more boorish attitude with the English in general in my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
You certainly don't speak for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Crosby, your attempts at wit, cynicism, whatever are pathetic. Explain the point of it from your end please because all it serves to do is show you up as an intolerable muppet. Now i haven't been a prolific poster on this forum so maybe i'm not qualified make a judgement. But in my humble opinion, from my reading of your posts I struggle to identify any commentary of worth at all. You appear ill-informed on most topics and your arguments (if you could call them that) have very little depth/scope etc. Stop feigning the clever cynic persona as it really doesn't work for you. My advice, don't give up your 'pretty great' day job that you once, bemusingly, announced to the forum that you had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
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Why exactly is it that Irish people think the Scots would have a particular fondness for us?[/QUOTE]
i hhave no idea.
i never had anything against or for scotland. i never would care how they do in tournaments or anything.
if ur from the west there is a great chance u'll feel a bond with scotland but if your from dublin scotland is just a distant far away foreign land.
Neill Sullivan,Matt Elliot etc etc all national side of countries our size have to use the gandparent rule the only reason the Scots are so bitter is because there so ****e and have little else to do than snipe at the 2 players that declared for us...if McGeady wants to improve as a player he has to leave that **** poor league and try himself against some decent defenders on a regular basis.
That's an entirely different issue really. McGeady clearly felt a closer kinship to Ireland and the Irish team then he did to Scotland. He chose the country that best represented his heritage and his culture. He probably does need to move at some point but it has nothing to do with his choosing Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarrickFan
My only real exerience of the Scots from staying with 3 Rangers fans in a hostel in Brisbane. There were two other Irish lads there as well. There was a great atmosphere amongst us!
Generally speaking, we have a fair bit in common with the Scots - as we do with the English, Welsh and Northern Irish. Culturally speaking, we've got a lot more in common than seperating us.
Personally I wouldn't give a hump if a player was born and raised in Ireland and opted to play for England or any other Brittish nation (or any nation), but I reckon a fair few people would boo him if he played against Ireland and he'd probably be targeted for mindless abuse in general.
I agree with what you say, and just to be clear, my general experience with Scots has been fine too, but the same is true of my general experience with English people (even more so actually) and those of a Unionist/protestant persuasion from the North. That doesn't change the fact that there is a significant amount of hatred between Irish and English people, between (Nationalist) Irish and Ulster Unionists or indeed between Scots and Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull
I think it partly comes down to the type of people you meet. The most bitter/twisted/bigoted people are generally not the same time of people who go backpacking to the other side of the world. Or if they do, they are likely realise very quickly how moronic it is to be so parochial and insular. You would probably have found that those particular Scottish Rangers fans would have been friendly even if you were a Celtic fan (no idea if you are or not), but obviously that wouldn't mean there is no hatred between Celtic and Rangers fans.
We got Razor but are stuck with McGeady, I'd call it a fair trade :p
Have to say I never had a problem with the English. I regularly go over to Blackpool as I have family there and it's always the same "love the Irish", "love the accent", etc. and it is genuine. You do get the odd one who'll try and mickey take but its not vindictive. Only hassle I ever got was when I left college back in the '80's and went to London working on building sites as a surveyor and that was from the older Irish lads who were on the sites - basically they resented the new Irish arriving who were generally more educated than them and had better positions.
Dont know much about the Scots. I find the Welsh to be an arrongant race but never had any problems with them.
But like another poster has already said I've been on holidays both abroad and in England watching Irish matches and they have always cheered for us and they dont understand why we dont cheer them on. (havent the heart to tell them why either tho')
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Originally Posted by Nedser
Can't argue with any of that. Football, being possibly the most popular sport on earth, certainly attracts all sorts - including the bitter, twisted and bigoted in large numbers. Which is why football clubs have such a big role to play in changing society. I'd like to see more of a focus on mental and emotional development when it comes to coaching youngsters in football. Not just coaching them to be better footballers, but better people - I mean, let's face it, a lot of kids who play for underage teams probably pay a lot more attention to their coaches than their teachers at school. But that's very off-topic and an issue for another thread.
The fans on that message board will be having kittens over this!
http://sport.stv.tv/football/159585-...ne-and-on-stv/Quote:
Brazil are back in the UK to play their fifth friendly international at London’s Emirates Stadium, with Ireland providing the opposition on Tuesday March 2.
All the action, featuring Kaka, Daniel Alves and Robbie Keane among others, will be shown live on STV and online via http://live.stv.tv from 8pm on the night.
If you can’t make it in front of your television or computer that night, you can also watch the game again using the STV Player from Wednesday March 3.
...Ireland meanwhile will showcase two players who Scotland let get away, James McCarthy and Aiden McGeady, with the former in line to make his international debut.
McGeady will be joined in the team by his Celtic team-mate Keane, who is on loan at Parkhead until the end of the season from Tottenham Hostpur. Hoops’ January transfer target Sean St Ledger will also feature, in what will be Ireland’s first fixture since they were denied a place in the World Cup by France and Thierry Henry’s hand.
Nice one. I've looked on the TA site. Couple of muppets but most are just bit p*ssed off. I did like this one though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munster Saint
Nah, he made the decision because he's, for want of a better term, a plastic paddy.
Thousands of (catholic) Scottish neds are growing up in the rotten boroughs of Lanarkshire to the sound of Irish rebel music, which is synonymous of course with their beloved Celtic FC. Btw, the name McCarthy originates from Cork, proudly known over here as 'the Rebel county'.
Some of them (like Aiden McGeady) will have spent their childhood summer holidays in Ireland, giving them a romanticised view of the country, where life is easy, the craic is mighty, and the people kill you with kindness. In stark contrast i'm sure to growing up on the mean streets of the east-end of Glasgow.
Throw in some history of the mistreatment of Irish immigrants in Scotland, the anti-catholic/Irish bigotry of the loyalists/unionists/huns, and is it any wonder they feel the way they do?
Sad but true....
Anyway, here's a wee Eric Bogle song to cheer us up: http://www.dsl.nildram.co.uk/plastic_paddy.mp
Why can't the idiots on that forum understand who they should be directing their vitriol at? Both McGeady and McCarthy were only approached after Ireland had capped them (I know McCarthy had schoolboy trials but they turned him down) The SFA is cleary even more inept than the FAI, I regularly critisise the FAI for stupid things they do as do many of us on this forum, the Scots seem to rever their FA for some reason, if we had lost Duff and Keane to the Scots we would have been smashing down the FAI's doors and burning them out. It would seem the fans on that site find it easier to throw out some ludicrously racist rants, and wish harm to a young man than actually address the problem. The NI contibutors to the Duffy threads have the right idea, no racism just resonable arguement despite how they must feel, makes me even prouder to be Irish and happier to be on this forum than one which allows such utter utter rubbish, thank you mods for moderating these threads so well. As for the Scots hating us, once again I say, F#ck 'em.
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The Rebel County is an English thing really going back to Elizabethian times and nothingn at all to do with Irishness.
Hahaha, funniest thing I've read in a long time. I like the scots, but they have a terrible football team and it seems a few of their fans are quite deluded!Quote:
Him and his tattie hawking mate McGeady will both regret it when they realise that ROI are absolute pash & have less chance than us of qualifying for a Major tournie.
Is it just me or do most of the points in this article seemed to be skimmed right out of this and the "should we stop picking players born in the North" threads? Granted, they're common sense points, but it's uncanny.
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McCarthy heard the odious anthem of raw sectarianism "The Famine Song" everywhere he went but probably didn't waste any time pondering the irony of some bone-headed neanderthals tunelessly bellowing out their demand that the Irish should go back to where they came from and then crying foul when he followed their advice.
Just followed the link. Idiots. They rally against both Ireland and England, not realising that they have zero identity outside those two cultures. Does anyone know what the word 'Scotland' means? Land of the Irish. Scotti = Irish, Land = Land. The current shower are only keeping Scotland warm until our triumphant return as a Gaelic kingdom. And McGeady is a totally Gaelic name, something the anglicised and ignorant Scots would never understand. I'm going to register with that other group and post this rubbish right away.
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Originally Posted by Royal rover
ha....they may not be racist/anti Irish at all they may like myself just despise the Gaa!!