Do pub sides outside the LOI count?
Where is this thread going? To illustarte we have sh1te managers?
How about figuring out how Scottish & Norn Irish managers seem to be so unusually successful?
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Do pub sides outside the LOI count?
Where is this thread going? To illustarte we have sh1te managers?
How about figuring out how Scottish & Norn Irish managers seem to be so unusually successful?
Scottish definitelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
Martin O'Neill...... Irish and Northern Irish:)
Billy Bingham ....Northern Irish and British I would guess would be his way of describing himself.
The Scots definitely have a great track record producing managers but Ireland not so good (imho) but I think that is improving.
England itself is struggling to produce top managers these days and when you consider the interest in football in England that is hard to understand.
There is surely a contradiction in that....EliteQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
Sean O'Driscoll apparently interviewing for the Burnley job!!
Have Bohs financial issues hindered the payments of players or managements wages or bonuses at all over the course of the year??Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
prior to the beginning of last season, Bohs, like most other clubs seeking to reduce their budget, negotiated decreases to players wages. Unlike a whole host of clubs, over the years not one Bohs player or manager has ever failed to receive their regular wages each week.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Apparently Fenlon was asked to take a deferral on the bonuses due to him for winning the League and League Cup and agreed. He was paid the bonuses over the weekend. Im not sure about players bonuses (if any) but im sure if they hadnt been received, it would have been leaked by now. Players have bigger mouths (eg Dominic Foley).
As are, it could be argued, the words "Irish", "Soccer" and "School", if you view it from a certain perspective...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Despite all the talk of "continental managers" in the English game, a quick review of the list of managers in the English league breaks down something as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eague_managers
50. English
12. Scottish
08. Irish
06. Wales
04. Italy
02. Northern Ireland and Spain
01. St. Lucia, France, Canada, Portugal, Israel and Greece.
That's based on a quick check.
The Island of Ireland does not do too bad there (not far behind the Scots)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Ah Pat Walker, what a player he was for Bohs in the half season or so he played in the red and black. A few older Bohs supporters I know hold him up there with Kevin Hunt and Jackie!Quote:
Originally Posted by olegunnar
BTW didnt Joe McGrath manage the NZ national team around 1997 for a season or so.
If including Norn Iron - Brendan Rogers (Reading) up to Christmas I think, Jim Magilton went around the same time from QPR.
Danny Wilson is with Swindon
Jimmy Quinn was knocking around managing teams for a while
Sammy McIlroy is with Morcombe or someone
And of the 20 Premiership managers:
6 England
3 Scotland, Italy
2 Ireland, Spain
1 Norn Iron, Israel, France, Wales
Of those, the managers who have won major trophies in England (League, FA Cup, League Cup) are from:
Scotland (Fergusson), France (Wenger), Spain (Benitez. No really!), Norn Iron (O'Neill), England ('Arry)
Scottish I'll give you, but Northern Irish? Martin O'Neill is the only top manager from that country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
favourite with the bookies now apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
He's up against Brian Laws, which isn't stellar competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Described as "one of the most forward thinking coaches" in the league.
True but NI have produced quite a few OK managers in recent times who have managed in PL or CL - Danny Wilson, Sammy McIlroy, Nigel Worthington, Lawrie Sanchez, Ian Dowie, Brendan Rodgers, Jim Magilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Good article - It suits this thread:
http://www.irishecho.com/newspaper/story.cfm?id=20071
Beyond Trapattoni, some talent lurks
Over the past few weeks there have been persistent newspaper reports that Giovanni Trapattoni was going to be lured away from the Ireland job by the Turks. The Italian denied any interest and, in any case, the Turks would have to seriously improve their pay scale to snap up the Irish boss.
As recently as 2008, the previous incumbent, Fatih Terim, was drawing down an annual salary of just over €600,000. That would be much, much less than Trapattoni got for guiding Ireland to the world Cup play-offs and the handball debacle heard, and seen, around the world.
The funny thing is that had Trapattoni walked, the FAI would never have had a better field of candidates from which to choose his replacement.
This much was hammered home again by recent events in England. When Gary Megson was dismissed by Bolton Wanderers, Owen Coyle was immediately identified as the most obvious replacement given his history at the club as a player, and his stature as one of the brightest managers out there.
Whatever happens from this point on, Coyle will always be remembered as the man who guided Burnley to the Premiership while playing an attractive brand of football. Some feat that.
That Coyle should be on any future list of potential Ireland managers goes without saying. He may only have had the briefest flirtation with international football, coming on as a sub for Jack Charlton's side in a 1994 friendly against Holland in Tilburg, but he's more Irish than many who have worn the green shirt over the years.
He grew up in a part of the Glasgow Gorbals that was so populated by expatriates from across the water that it was known affectionately as "Little Donegal." It's a brave man who would question the Irish credentials of somebody from that neighborhood.
From an Irish point of view, Burnley's subsequent casting around for a replacement for Coyle also highlighted the burgeoning claims of another Irish manager, Sean O'Driscoll. Yet one more without much of an international playing pedigree, three caps during the Eoin Hand era of the early eighties, O'Driscoll has slowly carved out a reputation as one of the best managers in the lower divisions and, but for an issue with compensation (shades of Pat Fenlon), would now be in the Premier League as the boss at Turf Moor.
If it is only a matter of time before O'Driscoll's performance in charge of Doncaster Rovers - where he endeavors to play the game the right way despite a limited budget, earns him a call-up to the highest level of the English game - he should also make it onto the shortlist for when the Irish manager's position becomes vacant.
He might not be the most fashionable candidate, but his undistinguished playing career and lack of box office name recognition shouldn't hinder his chances unduly.
The exaggerated media attention on the merits of Coyle and O'Driscoll only serve to highlight the current proliferation of Irish managers. Coyle, Mick McCarthy and Martin O'Neill are flying the flag in the Premier League. A division below that, there's O'Driscoll, Roy Keane and Chris Hughton.
Farther down the food chain, John Sheridan is in charge at Chesterfield and the unfortunate Steve Staunton is struggling to re-establish his coaching ambitions at beleaguered Darlington.
Obviously, nobody is saying all of these characters should figure in the shake-up to succeed Trapattoni, but some of them should be under serious consideration. While Keane appears to have pulled back from the brink at Portman Road and re-established the view that he may yet become a serious manager at the highest level, it's nigh on impossible to see him ever taking charge of Ireland.
How could he go and work for an association about which he has professed nothing but contempt on such a regular basis? He doesn't need the money and surely wouldn't want the hassle that the job entails.
If Keane is, like Brian Kerr, persona non grata at the FAI, at least until the end of the John Delaney regime, the real pity about McCarthy is that he is far more qualified to manage Ireland now than he was when given the job back in 1996.
Then, he was a neophyte struggling at Millwall and was consequently forced to make rookie mistakes in the unforgiving international arena. Now, he's been around the block, got teams promoted twice on shoe-string budgets, and would be far better suited to negotiating a qualifying campaign at this stage of his career.
Martin O'Neill is a difficult one to figure out. Nobody questions whether he is up to the job but would he want to manage the Republic having played for Northern Ireland? He does have a little more to prove at club level anyway where, the traditional exaggeration about everything to do with Celtic apart, he hasn't quite achieved as much as his reputation suggests.
Then there's the rising star of Hughton. Having been involved as an assistant in the Kerr era, he has since gone on to take over one of the most troubled and strangest football clubs in the islands that are Britain and Ireland. And made a real good job of it so far too.
If he does guide Newcastle United back into the top flight and manage to keep them there, Hughton should be a front-runner for the Ireland job two years from now. He's got the playing pedigree, the lengthy coaching apprenticeship at Spurs, and now experience of managing in a place where expectations tend to far exceed reality.
By the time Trapattoni does step away, one or two of these names may have faded from view. This is management after all and these jobs come with no guarantees.
However, the very presence of so many Irish managers suggests the FAI will have real options when picking out a successor. The only worry is that they will do the lazy thing and look no farther than the current assistants Marco Tardelli and Liam Brady. They were two of the greatest midfielders of their time but not, by any stretch, two of the better managers.
Sounds better suited to the England job, to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
Jim Gannon back in the hot seat with Peterboro
I think Hughton could make a good manager for Ireland.
O'Driscoll reportedly sacked by Nottingham Forest, hours after beating Leeds 4-2 and lying 8th in the table.
Confirmed. Very odd.
I assume we can rule out Forest from the promotion race then.
There was a statement on BBC from the Forest owners (some Kuwaiti family) saying how it was a forward looking move, geared towards being in the EPL. They were trying to say SO'D was a good manager for this level but not what they need to fulfill their grand vision. Shades of Pardew replacing Hughton at Newcastle perhaps, but there was talk of Forest having unpaid wages recently and I think this is an interesting story developing.
Surely not another case of "fit & proper persons" ownership tests not being, eh, fit for purpose?
I think I said here during the summer that it was scandalous that a club like Forest needed Kuwaiti ownership to compete, a symptom of English football's chronic dysfunctionality. Whatever the outcome of this story I stand by that post.
Sometimes English football makes Irish football look functional.
I was only saying to my dad this evening how O'Driscoll was doing and how mad it was that Doncaster figured he wasn't good enough for them after getting them promoted to the Championship and yet he was doing the business with Forest.
Fingers crossed he gets a decent job soon.
Call him up, Delaney!
'Roy Keane in the mix for Nottingham Forest return as club sack manager Sean O’Driscoll': http://thescore.thejournal.ie/roy-ke...urce=shortlink
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ROY KEANE IS in line to return to management with former club Nottingham Forest, according to reports in England.
Forest moved to within touching distance of the play-off places in English football’s second tier yesterday thanks to a 4-2 victory over Leeds at the City Ground, but it wasn’t enough to save Sean O’Driscoll’s job.
O’Driscoll, who joined Forest in pre-season, had taken his side to eighth in the table, yet he still paid the price for failing to immediately fulfill the ambitions of joint owners Fawaz Al Hasawi and Abdulaziz Al Hasawi.
Before beating Leeds, Forest had slipped away from the top six after winning just one of their previous six matches. That wasn’t good enough for Forest’s owners, who are determined to restore the club to its former glory.
Keane was in the stands to watch the win over Leeds and this morning and today the Corkman has been installed as the frontrunner to succeed O’Driscoll. The former Ireland skipper moved from Cobh Rambers to Brian Clough’s Forest in the early 90s before his record transfer to Old Trafford.
Chairman Fawaz Al Hasawi said: “We have a responsibility to look to the future for this great club because we have huge ambitions for it.
“We feel we have developed a really strong squad of players but are still searching for consistency in terms of team performance, underlined by the fact that we have not won more than two games in succession in the Championship this season.
“We are looking to bring in an ambitious manager with Premier League experience.”
according to Sky Alex McLeish is favourite for the job. As a kinda Forest fan this fills me with dread.
He's already got the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...t-manager.html
Just saw that.
Eugh.
Instant dislike for the team I've liked since discovering soccer.
Just like when Rafa took over at Inter.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/engli...h-as-new-boss/
So this is a forward move!!! Wow
It's absolutely mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Mick Mc 1-0 up away to his old club Wolves. Andy Reid's just equalised for Alec McLeish at home to Crystal Palace.
Sean O'Driscoll is an early favourite to take over at Wolves following Stale Solbakken's sacking: http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football...ken_62581.html
What are the odds Mick McCarthy will be linked with the post? O'Driscoll would be a good appointment, obviously there's no compensation involved
I was just thinking they missed their chance with Mick. Their handling of him has to go down as one of the all-time worst decisions by a team facing the drop.
Good move on Wolves part if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Dean Saunders it is then: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...328489502.html
Read that on BBC last night. Couldn't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Sean back to Doncaster?
John Sheridan in at Plymouth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20927038