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No its not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Derry fans are claiming they are either a new entity and owe linfield nothing or they are the same club and should be in the Setanta.
However, they are in fact a new club and still owe Linfield money(because the FAi are making them pay it in order to get a licence).
Wow! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Hang on! LFC aren't the bad guys in all this (for once!). Had they got their £5k, or had the FAI taken responsibility for applying their rulebook consistently towards DCFC, LFC would not have been in a position to choose their own response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Of course, ifk may have been correct earlier in suspecting that LFC's motives may be as much pragmatic as principled i.e. against the possibility of the competition folding anyhow, then LFC pulling out may ease their own domestic
fixture congestion etc.
But DCFC and the FAI have had more than enough time to sort LFC out before now. And considering it took Dungannon Swifts to issue two separate legal actions before they got a settlement from Derry (and then only a portion of what they were owed), why should LFC wait any longer, especially when no-one up in Derry will even tell them who they are dealing with - the "old" DCFC or the "new" DCFC?
Of course, maybe if DCFC were still in the IL, their fellow IL clubs might have been prepared to "cut them some more slack", or maybe even the IFA might have brokered some sort of compromise?
But as we are continually told by their fans etc, that holds no appeal for them...:rolleyes:
Oh well.
If Linfield refuse to play the return game then they shoud also withdraw their claim on the ticket money that Derry fans paid on the understanding that it was a two legged tournament between each club,IE: playing each other home and away.
Does anyone actually think any Derry fans would have bought tickets for the game at Windsor Pk if we had known that Linfield would refuse to play the return game.
Rub it up them the crying c**ts.
Yes but that is totally irrelevant in regards to Setanta.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
I was responding to the claims of other derry fans that its one or another when it's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Linfield have the right not to play the game( cos its a different Derry City) and still be owed 5k.
Did the new company buy the name yet?
Why is everyone so sure Linfield have not been paid/that no agreement reached with them?
I think £50,000 is a lot more than £5,000 - at least, it was when I was at school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
£5,000 didn't rear Linfield FC.
If effectively stealing money (knowing that you had no way of paying for the tickets) rocks your boat, good for you.
Does anyone actually think any Derry fans would have been given tickets for the game at Windsor Pk if Linfield had known that Derry would refuse to pay for them?:eek:
Then you went and spoiled it all by saying something completely untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Dungannon didn't get a settlement from Derry City.
'Firends of Derry City' made an offer to Dungannon which their chairman Jarlath Faloon admitted was both welcomed and unexpected and settled any debt owed Wellvan (the comany they took to court).
Now i agree that linfield have every right to be agrieved at this 'Theft' and are in no way the bad guys, but they cannot argue that Derry City owes them money on one hand and then refuse a return fixture with the same Derry City by claiming that they are not now the same club. It has to be one or the other.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Why would the FAI be concerned to see the IFA sorted before accommodating DCFC? After all, they haven't always been so "neighbourly" in their dealings with us before...
Might it be because regardless of which League a club operates in, in order to be acceptable to FIFA/UEFA, a professional football club must also be a Member of its "home" Football Association?
And since for DCFC that actually means the IFA, then if the FAI are going to (ignore all their own rules and procedures in order to) get DCFC "back" in the LOI, they can't risk the new DCFC being rejected by the IFA (or the old DCFC's registration not being renewed, whichever it is)?
"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"
Im not sure, simply basing it on the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
I dont think it's relevant though tbh. Even if it has been paid (fair play if so) Linfield are still right to say it's not the same club and they shouldn't have to play them.
Let's not start that debate again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
If it helps, ye can have Darren Gibson back.
Agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
As previously stated, I think we shouldn't be in the competition.
I consciously didn't claim Swifts got a settlement from "Derry City" [sic]. I was aware that the settlement was from people connected with those trying to take over/resurrect/replace the old club - I just wasn't sure exactly what name was on the cheque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
Good for them (FODC). But as others have indicated, the FODC may have been under pressure from the FAI to settle Wellvan's debts with Swifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
And as for Faloon admitting this settlement was "welcome" - I'm sure he did, since let's face it, he wasn't likely to get a penny from anyone else, was he?
Which is not to denigrate FODC, it's just you'll have to forgive me for wondering whether their motives were entirely altruistic and voluntary...
Sorry, but until someone pays LFC the money they are owed, they are quite entitled to do whatever the Hell they like, including declining to accept their Invitation [sic] to compete from Setanta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krstic
What you simply cannot get away from is that if the new guys at the Brandywell want to benefit from their predecessors' Invitation to the Setanta Ball, then they (new guys) need to pay for the predecessors' ticket. Literally.
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Of course £5,000 didn't rear Linfield FC.That's just pocket change compared to what Linfield recieve from the I.F.A.........in fact so is £50,000.
Linfield have been crying for ages about the SC, remember them not wanting mon/tues games and wanting Sat games?Then though and behold they get their way and whoooooosh now weekend games don't suit.
In football matters Derry are the same club and everyone here knows it,we're the same Derry fans here having discussions with fans from Linfield,Glentoran,Cliftonville and most L.O.I. clubs today,last month and two years ago.We're the same people that only six months ago were chatting about our European games.
Yes indeed we are also the same fans that had our club sh1t on from within and we are now trying to move on, if that means not playing in the Setanta cup then so be it.
If Linfield want to pull out and we have a play-off with St Pats then that's fine to.
IMO we won't be playing in it and St Pats and Linfield will decide who goes through in their two games.
Linfield have not been paid, nor have Cliftonville. As for any "agreement" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Should Derry play in the setanta? No
Should Linfield get their money? Yes
But the two are unrelated, and the statement from Linfield is a disingenuous attempt to further denigrate [not that it's needed] the competition, by preempting whatever decisions are made about the future of DCFC. The fact that's it's probably also the death knell for the competition, is just an added bonus.
Hang on. If DCFC had paid LFC their money, then they (LFC) would have had no grounds for withdrawing from the competition...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Oh ffs! You do realise you Derry wans are all causing me to stick up for Linfield here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
I have a reputation to maintain, I'll have you know...;)
I couldn't be bothered getting into it. It's completely irrelevant anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The budget for this year wouldn't include any from any Setanta matches. No-one said that. But it would be welcome extra cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Heggy
On the money owed to Linfield: That money is owed by Wellvan. If FODC make a payment to LFC, so be it. But LFC have no right to demand anything from the new Derry City.
Relating back to the Belfast Telegraph article, the money owed to Linfield by Wellvan isn't the issue anyway. The issue is that Linfield would be playing a new Derry City.
It's interesting to note that Kerr doesn't suggest any solution to the situation. He doesn't even leave any scope for a possible solution from Setanta. "Dead in the water", as far as he's concerned.
For the record, I don't think we have any right to be in the Setanta, but if we're invited (which it seems we have been), we shouldn't turn it down.
Whilst having to play the new Derry City is the excuse, the real issue is that Linfield don't want, for whatever reason, to play in the Setanta.
And here, fair enough. No-one is going to force Linfield to play in a tournament they don't want to. But at least have the balls to come out and say it rather than use our situation as an excuse to jump ship half way through the competition.
Has Derry City Football Club Ltd been specifically invited to compete and replace Wellvan Enterprises T/A DCFC? Love to see where the evidence of this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Who knows? Belfast Telegraph/Linfield obviously think so though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Statement from Linfield Football Club (as appeared in programme versus Cliftonville 12.12.09Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
"We are pleased to report than an official of the steering group involved with the restoration of Derry City Football Club has been in touch with our Club with a view to settling the debt incurred over the sale of tickets for the Linfield/Derry City Setanta Sports Cup game at Windsor Park in October. This matter is progressing and we look forward to the full settlementof the amount owed by Derry City to Linfield Football Club"
As of today, no monies have been received by Linfield FC from anyone representing Derry City FC in settlement of this debt.
Then why did you raise it?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Thats just sad on Linfields part, grow up and get over it, nobody saw it coming.
Fair Play to them! I totally agree with them.
There is no 'restoration' here, a new club is being created.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And no amount is owed by Derry City to LFC.
I raised it when making a point in relation to Linfield's general attitude towards the Setanta Cup. However, it is irrelevant to Linfield's refusal to play us next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Again, Linfield are having it both ways. They claim in the programme that they're are owed money by Derry City. Yet in their Belfast Telegraph statement they claim that they're not going to play Derry City because it's a new club.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riddickcule
The Directors of the "old" Derry City didn't see it coming?:eek:
Ok, I'll side with you being a new Club then.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
You shouldn't be in the Setanta Cup, it's a disgrace that you are, and we'll not be playing you in it.
If that costs you a big pay day - tough luck.
Derry City can't have it both ways - what right has this "new" club got to be in the competition, and claiming prize money - when the "old" club folded owing monies to one fellow competitor, and were in dispute with another competitor over finance (Cliftonville)?
Long runs the fox.:)
Wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
I wouldn't have bought tickets if I had known the directors were going to misappropriate the monies.
Well Linfield's statement shows them to be playing a crafty game :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Of course not. But that's not the reason Linfield aren't playing the return game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
What return game?Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
The one that's meant to be next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
Yeah, but the home team went bust do you not remember?
Fine. Not 'return leg' then. Let's just call it the 'Brandywell leg'. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Brendy,
I don't see how we have a leg to stand on.
The team that competed in 2009 is bust. Inviting any team into the competition at this point is just a shambles.
LFC need to be paid irrespective or Setanta to give us a shout of applying for a licence.
NB, agreement was reached after that AFAIK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
It seems to me the whole Derry City shambles is a useful cover for Linfield to pull out of a competition thats dying on its arse.
Like many things in Irish football it promised a lot at the beginning, but the usual apathy from clubs, fans and respective associations have effectively killed it off.
If it was taken seriously it would've replaced League Cups, County Antrim Rinky Dink Shields etc. and become at worst the 4th priority tournament (after League, Cup and Euro). Instead it was squeezed into an already overcrowded schedule (particularly with the LoI clubs frequently having semi-decent Euro runs at the same time).
The draws weren't particularly kind as well, how exciting is another 2 Big 2 Belfast derbies in a season?
Everything about our club last season was a shambles.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
If Setanta want to invite us into the SSC, fair enough. That's their call to make. No Derry fan is claiming we have any right to be in the SSC.
LFC are complaining about it, using it as an excuse to withdraw. They could have suggested an alternative to us filling Wellvan's place, but they haven't. They don't want a solution to this problem because they want to SSC to fail. They wanted out, and we've given them the excuse, albeit a half decent one.
TBH, what I'm most fecked off about isn't that we won't be playing in this season's SSC, it's that this will kill it off completely. Maybe it was dead anyway, who knows, but it certainly can't continue without Linfield.
Why should they, that is the organising committee's job.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
If the shoe was on the other foot and Pats or Linfield had "reformed" I would be demanding they be removed from our group and the group decided between the two remaining teams.
So would I. But that's not what Linfield are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Fair play to Linfield for taking a stand and pulling out. Derry city new or old should be grateful for the first div license the FAI are surely gonna grant them for next season. It will be an opportuntity to start fresh. As bad as we were at least we done the honourable thing and pulled out of the compeition when we went in to meltdown some years back. If Derry city is a 'new' club then it has no right to be in the setanta cup. I do agree most Derry fans here are'nt saying they have a divine right to be in it and its up to setanta to invite them but if money is owed by the 'old' club to Linfield then why should'nt Linfield be up in arms about it while derry get off with this debt and continue where the old club left off? Derry can't be allowed to jump from being a 'new' club to 'old' club when it suits them.