Trap excludes Steven Reid, Andy Reid, Finnan and Morrison for play-off squad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Duggie

where has this morrison thing come from anyway. trap was never going to call him up. im glad hes gone for stokes. hes younger and more of an option for the future if things keep going well for him at hibs. morrison is out of the picture now if u ask me. thats my opinion anyway.

---

i have always like morrison and i think he would be a good inclusion.

Like you i dont understand the anti - stokes thing - if u read my earlier post , i say that he is technically very good. I have no problem with him in the squad at all.

I do agree that morrisson is probably out of the picture - but i think thats a pity - a real pity.

But you have your opinion and i have mine. Once we beat france , we will all be happy no matter who is playing.


Come on Ireland

Finnan is a shock. Thought he'd be in.

Surprised at Stokes too.

Steven Reid is hardly a surprise. Shame but he is clearly not match fit yet.

Of course...you know what's going to happen, right?

Stokes comes on as an 85th minute sub in Paris and scores the qualifying goal.

Squad seems perfectly reasonable to me. I dont see any real point in calling up players for a world cup playoff who have played 3 or 4 games in the last 16 months.
Andy Reid? is there any point in shaking the boat at this late stage?

Its all about percentages at this stage, so the less changes the better.

... but just to cover my back I agree with Paul

Trap Out!:rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by back of the net

i have always like morrison and i think he would be a good inclusion.

Like you i dont understand the anti - stokes thing - if u read my earlier post , i say that he is technically very good. I have no problem with him in the squad at all.

I do agree that morrisson is probably out of the picture - but i think thats a pity - a real pity.

But you have your opinion and i have mine. Once we beat france , we will all be happy no matter who is playing.


Come on Ireland

---

if u like morrison ive no probs with that, just dont see him adding much longterm. its hard to believe stokes is still only 21. come on the lads :ball:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by M@ttitude

Bringing in Finnan now may just distrupt the camp at the moment? Or maybe not.. But lets just stick to the same gang of players that have been involved in THIS campaign, he's showing faith in his squad.

---

Finnan played against Georgia and Montenegro.

We should all hope that none of our first 13/14 players get injured as I don't like the look of our back ups. But understand Trap not picking Finnan or either Reid as this stage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

We should all hope that none of our first 13/14 players get injured as I don't like the look of our back ups.

---

Hypothetically, if a 1st choice full-back got injured and he did call in Finnan....would he really start McShane, Nolan or Kelly ahead of him? :confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

Finnan played against Georgia and Montenegro.

---

I am surprised that he left a fit Steve Finnan out.. But I think ill trust whatever reason he has to leave him out. For now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

We should all hope that none of our first 13/14 players get injured as I don't like the look of our back ups. But understand Trap not picking Finnan or either Reid as this stage.

---

i think robbie or dunne getting injured would be a disaster. especially robbie.

I'm pretty damn confused about how Trap can pick Shane Long over Morrison. Long hasn't scored and has been on the bench at a pretty bad Reading and Morrison has something like 6 goals. He was injured for a bit but then so was Reid. Also Stephen Kelly over Finnan seems like a poor choice. Trap probably doesn't want to risk S. Reid which is OK. If we do get through he will probably give some of these players a look in friendlies. But Traps got us this far so...

Cant figure out the outrage that Morrison isnt in, he has never been in any Trappatoni squad and people were expecting this to change for the playoffs???? I like Clinton but he was never gonna be anywhere near this squad,neither was Andy Reid.Friendlies are their only hope back now.

Finnan I kinda seen coming because he was never much involved with Trap either.

The Steven Reid one for me is a little bit shocking, I was 100% certain he would be in because Darron Gibson has been injured for over a month now and hasnt even started back training with United. I would suspect that Reid has being placed on standby pending Gibsons fitness and he could well be involved yet.

Anyone calling for Trap out(and being serious) needs to cop on. We have 2 massive games coming up and we need to get behind the team not bitching and moaning all the way in the build up. If we get hammered in both games then we can worry about that sort of crap.
COME ON YOU BOYS IN GREEN:ball:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by elroy

Disgusted Stokes is in, the guy hasnt justified his inclusion and his attitude stinks.

.

---

Has he not copped on since he left Sunderland? I havent heard any reports of him misbehaving since...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Finnan I kinda seen coming because he was never much involved with Trap either.

---

He came out of retirement due to Trapattoni being the manager, played the friendly against Norway and 90mins away to Georgia and Montenegro. Two of our best performances.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

He came out of retirement due to Trapattoni being the manager, played the friendly against Norway and 90mins away to Georgia and Montenegro. Two of our best performances.

---

yeah but I meant mainly due to his injury over the whole campagin.I fully expect him to be back but Trap was always going to stick with what he knew for these games

I´m not really that pushed about who is the 6th choice forward but I was seriously hoping Finnan would be a first choice to start both games.

Possibly we could do a one off performance
but I don't have a good feeling that we can do it over back to back games

Clouds of despair for a few hours.
On the plus side, the French won't know what we are moaning about with the squad selection, their anxiety levels won't have dropped.

Would ye all stop complaining. First off, there is no way Long and Stokes will see the field in these two games, same for Morrison if he got in the squad so what's the big deal. As for Finnan, O'Shea is the #1 RB and McShane has been there as backup for most of the campaign so why change now? Stephen Reid obviously is not fit enough.

Chill out. It's the same squad as what got us here. Not the time to bring in new players.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Murfinator

I think we all expected Andy and Clint to be left out again, a lot of us suspected Finnan wouldn't be called upon at this late stage either.

But to leave out a fit again Steven Reid after an unfit Steven Reid was called up previously and the man himself has said he's fit and available for selection....baffling.

I'm worried now that Trap feels that some sort of rift developed between them now. Unless of course Steven had another injury set back recently or something, but I'd really like an explanation on this.

---

ill give you an explanation... how many games has steven reid played in the last year?

Don't know why people are getting so excited. None of the excluded players would have started. I thought Finnan might get the nod but he' still coming back to fitness. As someone mentioned earlier, not making loads of changes sends a great message to the squad that the manager trusts them. In all of Traps interviews he makes the point that the players have to believe in themselves and this is just a further step to increase the confidence.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by as_i_say

Has he not copped on since he left Sunderland? I havent heard any reports of him misbehaving since...

---

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/spor...ith.5666577.jp

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rory H

Stokes is similar (well, more than Morrison) to Noel Hunt. It is Trap's like for like policy, should have seen it coming really.

---

Correct. Neither of them are in any way good enough to play at international level

I fear Trap has stoked the flames of discontent with this squad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BradyIsMyHero

Correct. Neither of them are in any way good enough to play at international level

---

Unfair comment. Its impossible to know that so early in stokes' career.

I think it's a massive vote of confidence for the lads that have done so much in the last half of the group. Now's not the time for experimenting, and there's no chance that Trap wants any will they make questions hanging over the group. Starting to feel real now!

Quote:

---

Unfair comment. Its impossible to know that so early in stokes' career.

---

Though it's a fair enough comment for the games coming up.

It looks like Stokes has a good manager in Hughes, I hope he does well there.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Cant figure out the outrage that Morrison isnt in, he has never been in any Trappatoni squad and people were expecting this to change for the playoffs???? I like Clinton but he was never gonna be anywhere near this squad,neither was Andy Reid.Friendlies are their only hope back now.

Finnan I kinda seen coming because he was never much involved with Trap either.

The Steven Reid one for me is a little bit shocking, I was 100% certain he would be in because Darron Gibson has been injured for over a month now and hasnt even started back training with United. I would suspect that Reid has being placed on standby pending Gibsons fitness and he could well be involved yet.

Anyone calling for Trap out(and being serious) needs to cop on. We have 2 massive games coming up and we need to get behind the team not bitching and moaning all the way in the build up. If we get hammered in both games then we can worry about that sort of crap.
COME ON YOU BOYS IN GREEN:ball:

---

only speaking for myself here razor, but im not outraged that clinton isnt in, i just would have liked him to be in the squad due to his experience at INTL football and i think he is a good player in general.

I am not surprised at all that Trap has excluded him.

I was more speaking in terms from a personal view that i would like him in it.

But as you say , no matter who takes to the fields on NOV 14th and 18TH - they should and WILL get our full support.

Stokes is a talented player and just as likely to score as Morrison if he comes on in my view (this coming from a guy who loves Morrison).

Morrison has more experience, but Stokes has more upside.

So he's been in a few tussles, who among us hasn't over the years, especially in their late teens, early 20s?

I don't mind his inclusion in the squad, even though it's probably not the way I'd do it. Stokes training with the senior squad might give him the lift to become a big player for us in the campaigns to come.

I wonder was that a Brady's wild card privilege to have Stokes included ahead of his old mate Clint.

Wonder if any of the Irish lads will hit South Africa next summer on their holidays??

I've just read through the entire thread, it complements the Bohs "cakewalk" on Network 2, and one point struck me. For all the LOI supporters argusing over English and Scottish based players, especially forward players, not once has anyone said "What about...who's on form in the LOI?" I know this is s moot point as this manager doesn't rate our local football, but surely at least one player would be good enough for the international team?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by back of the net

only speaking for myself here razor, but im not outraged that clinton isnt in, i just would have liked him to be in the squad due to his experience at INTL football and i think he is a good player in general.

I am not surprised at all that Trap has excluded him.

I was more speaking in terms from a personal view that i would like him in it.

But as you say , no matter who takes to the fields on NOV 14th and 18TH - they should and WILL get our full support.

---

Id actually like to have him in there myself to be honest, hes was always one of my favorite players and characters in the squad. But at the same time I wouldnt have him in the team ahead of Doyle or Keane.

My main point in that post as regards Morrison was that he hasnt being involved all along in these qualifiers and there really wasnt much of an issue bar the odd person every now and then, but all of a sudden when it came to this squad some people are very annoyed that hes not in.I just dont get how we cant all see the way that Trap works by now, he will not call up a player to a qualifying game that he hasnt seen in at least one squad before.Whether thats right or wrong is another debate but I for one wasnt shocked that Stokes was called up when there were a few injuries with the strikers.
Trap has got us this far,and I think he will take us to the World Cup

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by weldoninhio

Wonder if any of the Irish lads will hit South Africa next summer on their holidays??

---

They might enjoy a few weeks on safari there after beating Brazil in the final;)

i thought steven reid would have been included...fair enough he has only just returned from a lenghty lay-off but centre midfield is the one position where we are particularly weak...whelan and andrews could both start but dont see why he shouldnt have reid on the bench!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by the-blue-harp

ill give you an explanation... how many games has steven reid played in the last year?

---

Answer = One game more than he had played prior to being included for the Italy and Montenegro game.

My worry here is that the hoofala in the last two weeks has resulted in Steven Reid being put in the "Joey O'Brien category" re Trapps reactions to players comments made in the media.

I don't listen to a word Trapp says in the conferences at all. It's just lip service. It's not as if he ever has to account for what he says. Especially when there's blatant contradictions...

How's it going to pan out if Reid starts against United over the weekend and get's a large chunk of 3 games in between now and the 14th?? This is the same Trapp that was whoring the team about a couple of weeks ago to the Kevin Nolans of this world so he can't claim to be uber content with Whelan and Andrews...

I hope really hope this isn't an unwarranted punishment...

Down a goal with ten minutes to go in Paris, who would you rather have on the bench:

Darren O'Dea

OR

Andy Reid?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Answer = One game more than he had played prior to being included for the Italy and Montenegro game.

My worry here is that the hoofala in the last two weeks has resulted in Steven Reid being put in the "Joey O'Brien category" re Trapps reactions to players comments made in the media.

I don't listen to a word Trapp says in the conferences at all. It's just lip service. It's not as if he ever has to account for what he says. Especially when there's blatant contradictions...

How's it going to pan out if Reid starts against United over the weekend and get's a large chunk of 3 games in between now and the 14th?? This is the same Trapp that was whoring the team about a couple of weeks ago to the Kevin Nolans of this world so he can't claim to be uber content with Whelan and Andrews...

I hope really hope this isn't an unwarranted punishment...

---

Regarding the Italy and Montenegro games, Reid may not have played, but he did have a pre-season under his belt, which makes a huge difference fitness wise.

As for Nolan, Trap never mentioned him by name, so I don't think attacking him on that count can be done.

It may be an issue of it being too soon for Reid, and while I'm sure he'd love to figure in the playoffs, in his heart of hearts he may not think he's ready himself.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Down a goal with ten minutes to go in Paris, who would you rather have on the bench:

Darren O'Dea

OR

Andy Reid?

---

:confused:

Up a goal on aggregate in Dublin with ten minutes to go, Richard Dunne limps off, same question.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Down a goal with ten minutes to go in Paris, who would you rather have on the bench:

Darren O'Dea

OR

Andy Reid?

---

I don't think one has to be there at the expense of another.

Realistically I think McGeady will be on the bench, and if he is, he's a potential game changer.

Stephen Hunt, despite his limitations, has also proven to be a BIG impact sub, so between those two I think we'll have plenty of firepower if we need to push things.

Best also looks like he'll be fit, so we've got 3 decent attacking options.

I'd have Andy in the squad myself but despite popular opinion, I feel Trap does have a "Plan B."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Down a goal with ten minutes to go in Paris, who would you rather have on the bench:

Darren O'Dea

OR

Andy Reid?

---

Come on you cant be serious with a question like that. Most of us want Reidy in the squad but there has to be defenders on the bench too. A more credible question would be between Andy Reid and Liam Miller

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Come on you cant be serious with a question like that. Most of us want Reidy in the squad but there has to be defenders on the bench too. A more credible question would be between Andy Reid and Liam Miller

---

Look, O'Dea might be good for things like picking up Trap's dry cleaning and mopping up the changing room after the match but there is absolutely no way he sees even the substitute bench for either match.

The chances of us being up a goal with seven minute to play when Dunne goes down injured are far less than us desperately needed a creative player in midfield/attack with ten minutes to go in Paris.

If we fail to qualify, Trap must go. This is madness. The guy has played well enough to be in the England squad, forget the Ireland squad.