Fingal's budget and number of professionals

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Originally Posted by gael353

UCD [...] are in an equally privilaged position with all non playing expenses being taken care of by the college hense their positions in the league.

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Jesus; do people still believe this nonsense, or are they just trolling when they post it?

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Originally Posted by blue til i die

Do we have any idea of the wage bills at shels and ucd?

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I think ours is about E3k a week. Heard E10k+ a week for Shels at the start of the season, but that's a word-on-the-street job and may well be way out. I would imagine, though, that Shels are a good bit ahead of everyone else (bar Fingal obviously).

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Originally Posted by mr. untitled

They may well come a cropper like Shels or Drogs, but untill then, fair play to them.

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Ah yes, the good old Shels-esque "There's no news, so it hasn't happened" approach.

The problem with SF is that the league has seen it all before. Throwing money at a squad doesn't mean people will turn out. A club wholly reliant on one individual is utterly unhealthy. Nobody's saying Fingal aren't entitled to do what they're doing, but they are entitled to be worried that it's utterly unsustainable, could lead to renewed wage inflation at a time when we appear to be getting on top of it and will quite likely lead to another high profile implosion down the line, which no-one wants.

If Fingal lived within their means without their backer - i.e. spent what an average crowd of 500 could sustain - then no-one'd complain about them.

Ah yes, the good old Shels-esque "There's no news, so it hasn't happened" approach.

The problem with SF is that the league has seen it all before. Throwing money at a squad doesn't mean people will turn out. A club wholly reliant on one individual is utterly unhealthy. Nobody's saying Fingal aren't entitled to do what they're doing, but they are entitled to be worried that it's utterly unsustainable, could lead to renewed wage inflation at a time when we appear to be getting on top of it and will quite likely lead to another high profile implosion down the line, which no-one wants.

If Fingal lived within their means without their backer - i.e. spent what an average crowd of 500 could sustain - then no-one'd complain about them.[/QUOTE]

Completely agree, but if is not SFs fault, its the fault of the system. In an ideal world, all clubs would live within their means but do you honestly think that will ever happen, the market is just not there so people will gamble for a slice of what is there, that is inevitable. This is why I advocate franchise football, something nobody on here will even consider no matter how many clubs go to the wall, no matter how poor crowds get.

Absolutely it's not SF's fault. But you can see why people get critical of SF.

And the SF experiment has done nothing to show there's any future for franchise football in Ireland. Even with what - backing of E1m a year +? - you're struggling to get crowds. Where are you going to find 22 people who'll back LoI clubs with E1m a year for no payback? And such a system is inherently unstable in that clubs are subject to the whims of those backers. In that post alone (and I haven't read your other advocations), you've offered no reasons for franchise football at all.

But say you get those investors to invest in the league (a 10 team league) and not the clubs. The league would own the players and allocate them to the clubs through a draft system, there by regulating wages. The clubs remain independently owned (shamrock rovers model springs to mind) but are payed up members of the leagus, the league os the franchise.

Sporting Fingal is a community team and is just one of many sports projects in Fingal hence the name Sport in Fingal.
Is this a bad thing to enhance sport in North County Dublin? When the sport complex in lusk is built, junior teams will have access to its facilities as well as coaching along with others sports.
If this is a franchise then i welcome it as its many projects help the people in Fingal through sport.
How many of the league clubs has a power soccer team? ( wheelchair football )
Futsal, a special olympics team?
Pop into a few sports complex or community centres in Fingal to see what sport and education activities are linked with sporting fingal or have a read through the website.
How many league clubs put this much into their community? not many and certainly not those that have so called fans slagging Fingal on here.

Will Sporting Fingal able to maintain a Premier division side with the quality of players they have long term from the the money coming through the gates on match days? Only time will tell and but if not then i see a Sporting Fingal side in the league for a long time to come either full or part-time with more Fingal based players in either the premier or the first division and they will have my support during the low times as well as the highs.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Up there with clubs running themselves properly in the improbability stakes, I'm afraid.

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I agree, finding investment is the big problem here but big business wont invest in LOI clubs in the current system yet O'brien is prepared to pay traps wages. Individually the clubs have very little clout in the transfer market, a combined league would have far more, an added incentive for investors, As it stands, the league is tearing itself apart internally (very little to do with barstoolers or lack of interest). There needs to be a drastic overhaul, the league needs to be as strong as the sum of all its parts, not as weak,
I realize my idea may be pie in the sky but the fact remains that the league in its current form is unsustainable and actually harmful to irish football

The league is perfectly sustainable. To say otherwise is just to fall into cliché and soundbyte. Look at Monaghan, pootering away on crowds on 100, but surviving just grand due to their outside income they work hard to generate. Clubs like Fingal aren't sustainable.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Clubs like Fingal aren't sustainable.

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Sure give them time. they can only be proved to be unsustainable over time and are doing very well for a new team.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I've posted the wage budget in thread.

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Is that the €17.5k per week?
Where did you get it from?

Guys, quit the personal slagging and get back on-topic please.

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Originally Posted by mr.untitled

Completely agree, but if is not SFs fault, its the fault of the system.

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I see. It's not Sporting Fingal who are to blame for the decisions that they freely and willingly take - decisions that not every other club chooses to take.

It's the darn pesky system what makes 'em do it. The voices of the system in their head.

Isa't that the defense that was given by pretty much everyone at the Nurenburg trials....?

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Isa't that the defense that was given by pretty much everyone at the Nurenburg trials....?

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:eek::eek::eek:

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Originally Posted by The Lep

Sporting Fingal is a community team and is just one of many sports projects in Fingal hence the name Sport in Fingal.
Is this a bad thing to enhance sport in North County Dublin? When the sport complex in lusk is built, junior teams will have access to its facilities as well as coaching along with others sports.
If this is a franchise then i welcome it as its many projects help the people in Fingal through sport.
How many of the league clubs has a power soccer team? ( wheelchair football )
Futsal, a special olympics team?
Pop into a few sports complex or community centres in Fingal to see what sport and education activities are linked with sporting fingal or have a read through the website.
How many league clubs put this much into their community? not many and certainly not those that have so called fans slagging Fingal on here.

Will Sporting Fingal able to maintain a Premier division side with the quality of players they have long term from the the money coming through the gates on match days? Only time will tell and but if not then i see a Sporting Fingal side in the league for a long time to come either full or part-time with more Fingal based players in either the premier or the first division and they will have my support during the low times as well as the highs.

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Well put my man and the very best of luck in the cup final.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I see. It's not Sporting Fingal who are to blame for the decisions that they freely and willingly take - decisions that not every other club chooses to take.

It's the darn pesky system what makes 'em do it. The voices of the system in their head.

Isa't that the defense that was given by pretty much everyone at the Nurenburg trials....?

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:confused::confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Meant our (approx) wage budget of E3k a week.

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Should have checked back in the thread, myself :o

It was the Shels fans who quoted €17.5k (or more). No point asking for a source, I suppose.

Off topic UCD stuff moved to the UCD forum, by the way.

:D Well done

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Jesus; do people still believe this nonsense, or are they just trolling when they post it?


I think ours is about E3k a week. Heard E10k+ a week for Shels at the start of the season, but that's a word-on-the-street job and may well be way out. I would imagine, though, that Shels are a good bit ahead of everyone else (bar Fingal obviously).

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Shels is around 7k a week. When we first went down to div 1 it was 9-10 a week for the 1st season but the club has lowered the budget.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Heard E10k+ a week for Shels at the start of the season, but that's a word-on-the-street job and may well be way out. I would imagine, though, that Shels are a good bit ahead of everyone else (bar Fingal obviously).

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Where do you go to hear this word-on-the-street ?
Not for the first time you're way off with your figures on Shelbourne..

However I very much doubt it will be the last time you're wrong

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Originally Posted by higgins

Where do you go to hear this word-on-the-street ?
Not for the first time you're way off with your figures on Shelbourne..

However I very much doubt it will be the last time you're wrong

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Do you have a rough figure for Shels?

€10k /week seems not unreasonable for a team with so many experienced players - a €520k annual wage budget is normal enough for a Premier Division team, which Shels effectively is (in terms of standard of players), and I doubt you're playing those players 52 weeks a year. I'm not claiming that you're paying that much, but to claim PS's figure to be "way off" makes me curious as to what it really is.

It's 7k a week.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Off topic UCD stuff moved to the UCD forum, by the way.

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If the UCD stuff is a good fit for the UCD forum, why is the Sporting Fingal stuff not more suited to the SF forum?

Because I use the "New Posts" function and don't feel the need to differentiate between the two. And now I can't move it out of the UCD forum. And I don't care enough to move this one.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Because I use the "New Posts" function and don't feel the need to differentiate between the two. And now I can't move it out of the UCD forum. And I don't care enough to move this one.

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WADR, most of that doesn't make sense. Are you saying you want to move the thread out of the UCD forum? Have you changed your mind?

And is using New Posts now obligatory? What if one prefers to browse by thread, which I suspect is the case for many if not most? If I want to read about league matters (the only reason I come to foot.ie), then I browse the league thread. Is that wrong?

I've moved it back to this forum if it's that important to everyone.

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Originally Posted by The Lep

We have other sponsors as well lads :)

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could anyone tell me what keelings,fingals shirt sponsor,pay into the club.im curious because keelings provide logistics and produce to supermarkets.i can see the point of des kelly or woodies or beamish or indeed hunky dorys to name four getting exposure in the public domain from shirt sponsorship in that it helps sales maybe but a company that doesnt really sell to the public directly putting in the money ive heard rumoured doesnt add up

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Originally Posted by stamullendrog

could anyone tell me what keelings,fingals shirt sponsor,pay into the club.im curious because keelings provide logistics and produce to supermarkets.i can see the point of des kelly or woodies or beamish or indeed hunky dorys to name four getting exposure in the public domain from shirt sponsorship in that it helps sales maybe but a company that doesnt really sell to the public directly putting in the money ive heard rumoured doesnt add up

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flancare did it with longford??

In fairness, shirt sponsorship in the LoI isn't necessarily for commercial reasons.

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Originally Posted by stamullendrog

keelings provide logistics and produce to supermarkets.

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The produce is under their own name

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Isa't that the defense that was given by pretty much everyone at the Nurenburg trials....?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Yes another club in 5 years time will be a shell. When will the Eircom clubs ever learn...?

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Says the man who's club has the biggest bankroll of all.

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

The produce is under their own name

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a hell of a lot of it isnt thought believe me

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Originally Posted by John83

Do you have a rough figure for Shels?

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Rough figure is 7k for everyone and it's certainly not over 52 weeks of the year