Really? Who John Harkes and who else? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
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Really? Who John Harkes and who else? Just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Take it none of your family were unfortunate enough to be forced to emigrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by kellco88
Good for you.
squad here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FI...Cup_squads#USAQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Almost certain John O'Brien - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O'Brien_(soccer) - qualified for Ireland, but I don't think he was ever approached to play for us.
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Just realised I got that wrong, and that as_i_say meant that 8 of the Ireland squad were born in Ireland
The squad is here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FI...lic_of_Ireland
Of those Bonner, Irwin, Moran, Keane, Staunton, Kelly, and Whelan were born in the Republic and Kernaghan was born in Belfast
McGrath was born in London but grew up in Dublin
Name one.... apart from Paul Butler, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
All three of these cases are guys who wanted/want to play for another country first and we are the back up choice. If it means that they take the place of players with a genuine passion for the shirt then I'm quite uncomfortable with that.
Having said that, examples like Townsend show that players who wouldn't have considered themselves Irish first and foremost can play their heart out for the team. So I'm a little torn.
Seems to be strange timing anyway.
Actually, the whole point about Kernaghan was that he was born in England, NOT Belfast; if he had been born in NI, he would never have played for ROI:Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
http://sport.scotsman.com/rangersfc/...the.3337606.jp
(A couple of minor factual errors in that article, but the jist is OK i.e. such was the "stick-in-the-mud" attitude of the IFA, that they for a long time they refused to recognise Grandparentage as conferring eligibility, even after FIFA authorised it and other countries were taking advantage of same)
my mistake, I was going by his wikipedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_KernaghanQuote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
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Born in Otley, West Belfast
Thats a good point, I dont ever remember looking at a player in an Irish shirt and thinking that he wasnt giving it everything because he wasnt born in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Hey IFK, you seem strangely silent on the Nolan issue this time round. I presume the fact that Tardelli is watching him today means we must now also question the latter's intelligence, loyalty and footballing judgement? Why would he be willing to watch a mediocity who would add nothing to the squad and dosen't want to play for us in any case?
In my opinion if they're good enough, call them up into the squad. If there are players out there who can improve our squad and qualify to play for us then I think it would be a waste not to call them up.
No he defo turned us down. A couple of times... I dug out some articles before and posted them in the previoous similarly titled thread. And there was another one from years ago too. I don't want this fella on the band Wagon at this point. Honestly would have taken him as recently as a few months ago, but to come on board at this stage. No jayzus way... Feel very strong about it. Would rather see us fail to qualify than to take him at this point. Will boo his every touch in the home leg. Will Bring a "Bring Back Andy Reid" type banner to croker. This is entirely different to what big Jack did. It's mercenary stuff. Desperate. No pride..Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Trapp should get off his arse and watch a few more club games than prostitute our team like this at this stage.... These are the kind of noises he should have made a year and a half ago. Not now... Shocking stuff..
He's lived in Italy for a decade, he at the very least has a strong claim to compassion for the country. A similar case is in rugby where a Munster player Mafi will have Irish citizenship in the next year and would be eligible to play for us if he so wishes. Which I wouldn't have a problem with. I do have a problem with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Has Nolan ever been to Ireland? He's quite clearly not Irish.
I was merely making the point that we have good enough players in the premiership without looking for players who might qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaneker
And no need for the personal remarks.
Agree with Dr P's first paragraph, but I thought we had now pretty much established that Trap has indeed cast the net as wide as he can, the Andy Reid situation being a different story.
If any of the abovementioned got in ahead of Reid it'd be a travesty. I'd hate for any of them to be included over anyone.
Nolan - NO NO NO. This guy doesnt offer us anything more than we have already. Am sure he was approached during the Stan era and was ineligible but also not interested. No thanks. If anything this guy has seen his best days.
O'Hara - Am sure this guy is in the England U21 squad. Decent player but is known to be not the most professional player about.
Naughton - This guy was involved with us before, I remember reading about Brady sussing him out a few months ago and he wasnt interested. Subsequently received an U21 call up for England.
all the talk about nolan!!! what about fahey, imo he,s a better player playing regularly in a better league!!!
All these are in another country through work. Camo is probably part Italian. Maybe as much Italian as Shaquille O'Neal is Irish. I'd hardly call that 'at least a strong compassion.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Sadly we don't have anything like Serie A in Ireland, or we might fill the obvious shortcomings we have with people that lived in Ireland, just as Germany, Croatia, Poland and Spain do and have done for as long as foreigners have played in their leagues.
Maybe Nolan has never been to Ireland. Maybe he knows as much about his own country as he knows about the country of one of his ancestors. I dunno, but footballers are rarely that bright in England. But someone in the last two generations in his family left Ireland. Is he eleigible for Irish citizenship? If he is, he's entitled to play for Ireland regardless of whether he's an England fan, a Nazi, likes Brendan Grace music, or is a rampant peado. And I hold all four in equal disdain. :D
kevin nolan:rolleyes: just no, well actually have him in contention but he's behind many players including andy reid and keith fahey.
don't care about naughton, never heard of him. does he start for tottenham?
Oh he has. He was part af a squad to play inthe UEFA championshap qualifiers against England. Brian Kerr was the manager. Mr Nolan couldn't bring himself to play against England and asked to be let go home, which he did. At least he had the honesty and backbone to realise this. However now, maybe his career needs a boost and his agent has suggested he resurrect his international career with the ROI. I say tell him to …Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Is Gary Cahill still eligible or did he get a cap for England recently?
Warwick is in the same situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Is Andrew Lonergan eligible again?
Isn't there some questionable element over the rules for being capped at sevens or underage? I think by the current rules thats the case but I've heard speculation that appeals under certain circumstances could allow Mafi and Warwick to play for us.
True. Can't argue with that. But was he at Fratton park yesterday to watch Finnan?? Especially given how weak we are at left full. (I know he's a RB btw but there's options if he comes back at right full)... How much of Ward did he see before he got injured. Again LF is crucial...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Lee Carsley and Rory Delap both played in the middle yesterday. I don't buy into this long throw lark with Delap either. Given Trapps limited expectations of his CMs there's no reason why Delap couldn't come in...
Nah. Trapp has done an awfull lot to be commended for, without a shadow of a doubt but he's been lacking in his efforts outside of the international fixtures lists and allocated time..
Cappello for me ticks every box in terms of his off the pitch attitude to international football...
English managers are bound by contract to make PR appearances at so many EPL games per season.
I don't see what the major fuss is tbh. If they could add to the squad then let Trap have a look at them. There haven't been any noises from any of their camps though to indicate that they'd be willing to change allegiance.
As for the argument that journeymen internationals don't try as hard I'd say it's the opposite. If someone's smart enough to realise that this is going to improve their career prospects then they'd be mad to turn up and go through the motions.
Paul Butler had a nightmare 45 minutes, I don't think he was a saboteur. John Mackem was woeful, but Babb and McAteer joined up pre 94 and went on to have long careers with us.
I'd say players in this position and I'm thinking especially of Naughton here would play their cards very close to their chest. We are an option for him and he's entitled to consider it. However he will possibly come under considerble pressure from Spurs and may have previously done with Sheffield United not to switch as, straight up, he's worth more in tranfers as an England international than as an Ireland international.Quote:
Originally Posted by twoenz
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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
At the same time he's going to be worth a lot more as an international that played in a World Cup as opposed to someone who never played for a country. Nolan, Naughton and O'Hara would need a nuclear holocaust to be in the running for an international tournament in the next few years with England.
Speaking of which I have to say whenever I'm watching a british commentated premiership game I'm so sick of seeing the camera pan in on capello which the commentator will inevitably follow up with " [english player x + y] will be sure to playing extra hard to impress capello"Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Firstly I doubt they know he's there and secondly he and his coaching panel are probably watching every game and performance anyway. Just a really annoying thing they keep pointing out.
Wait Naughton's a right back. We have 3 or 4 of those better than him, why would he be of any interest to us?
Propper Order too.. There's more than merely PR to be gained by it aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It's everything else Cappello does too. The balance of consistency and scanning in his sqauds. The sound bites after games. The fact he had all players that played in the campaign attend the Belerus match regardless of whether they were in the sqaud or not. It's inclusive without affording complacency.... I've been advocating posts the idea of a manager being" inclusive" since McCarthy.
Can you believe there was a time when a fit and regularly playing S Reid and Dunne had no idea where they stood with Ireland under Kerr. No call, no contact. There was no reason for that. It's true that there has to be some sort of professional distance between players and managers, but it's an adult relationship at the end of the day and I think alot of managers forget that....
The days of a Brian Clough only speaking to the first team, literally, are long gone. How many players have fallen out with John Toshak????.....
I still think Trapp should be doing more outside the fixture lists. With the money he's on, a flight to England every second weekend should not be out of the question, especially coming up to Nov 13th... He was quoted as questioning/wondering/hoping if Finnan will even be the same player after his comback. Valid question indeed. He started yesterday against Spurs??? Game in a few weeks. Left full is a serious weak spot. There are avenues not being exhausted. I don't think I expect too much from someone on 2m in the current environment.
Good to see you've done your research there!! + your saying McShane is better than him???:eek::eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
He infact began life in the Sheff Utd 1st team at right full, played a few in centre mid, centre back + 1 or 2 at right mid but towards the end of last season for about about 15 games he played left back. Most observers reckon he could easily play centre mid as he is a great tackler & was better than most in the matches he played at passing the ball around. His one great ability without doubt is his pace & at times was compared to being in the Ashley Cole mould. He seems to be going nowhere fast at spurs though & as he was involved with england U16's,U18's,U19's he was being talked about by Brady, trying to get him to switch to Eire but I don't know if any official approach was ever made but I'm sure the fact he had played for england in all the under-age groups & the fact he was a Sheffield local + grew up as a Blades fan(big england fanbase) then this swung his loyalty when Stuart Pearce came calling with an offer for england U21's.
All the same I think he would be great for us but as previously stated, in my view he would see himself as english & Eire would be a fallback for him + his heart would probably not be in it(just me speculating there) & his lack of games of late would mean he's a definate non-starter for us before the play-offs & most probably the world cup.
Fair enough, maybe I misread your original post, it's something I feel very strongly about. Apologies for any offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by kellco88
Bernie Slaven. Said in his autobiography that he spent all of Italia 90 hoping Ireland would lose so he could go home to his dogs!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Owen Coyle. Declared for us at 28 when there was no sign of a Scotland call up, got his reward with 7 minutes against Holland.
Theres 2!
Oh and John Macken.
Lads Nolan was in Coppers during ithe summer. If that does not qualify for him to play for Ireland I dont know what does.
I think it's a disgrace he would have described his wife and mother-in-law in such a manner in his autobiography, but there you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
Didn't he also say something along the lines of Chris Hughton being a worse caretaker than Ian Huntley. I wouldn't be in favor of letting these guys join this late in the campaign. If they want to join for the start of the next Qualification campaign then fair enough but to introduce them now could have a detrimental effect on team moral not to mention the fact that it kind of cheapens international football.
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Originally Posted by SilkCut
We have written about Owen, many times on this board.
He declared for Ireland before he was 21 when there was also an offer to join up with the Scottish u21 squad. Owen says there was no decision to make as it was an obvious choice for him.
At the time, he also knew he was getting called up into the Irish squad for the u21 game against Scotland, where he gained his first cap.
:o Did not realise he played U21. Thank you for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle194295.html
Gary Cahill is the latest to be linked, would add an option at CB but I've not heard anything from the player himself, considering he has played U-21 & was in Englands most recent squad it is probably a tenuous link