Cascarino!!!!!!
Tony Cascarino!!!! :D :D :D
The only club he was anything even approaching a success, was Milwall, and guess where Eamon was also a success as a footballer......yep...you guessed it!!!
Your a howl mate!!!
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Cascarino!!!!!!
Tony Cascarino!!!! :D :D :D
The only club he was anything even approaching a success, was Milwall, and guess where Eamon was also a success as a footballer......yep...you guessed it!!!
Your a howl mate!!!
Emmet7, to the best of my knowledge, Jose Mourinho never played a single senior professional game, he has enough medals jingling in his pocket to completely blow the idea that you have to have played at a high level to understand and comment on the game of football.
Dunphy is awful, but Cascarino as an alternative?
Seriously, give it up.
Add to that list David Moyes, Arsene Wenger etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
For somebody who has admitted they watched the game twice, and to come up with that conclusion, does not give me a very good belief in your ability to analyse a football game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
We looked very good up until we scored the goal. Then the Italians, more or less for the rest of the half, had the majority of possession and I was worried they'd score a second goal before the break.
Anyway, I'm going to add another piece to this debate here.
I remember after the Bari 1-1 game, Dunphy made some ridiculous comments that night, the worst being when he called Trapattoni:
'He was like a drunken gambler, throwing his chips on the table'.
He was referring to Trap's substitutions last night, and he went on to make a comment about bringing on Caleb Folan in particular. Nobody would dream of arguing over Trapattoni's tactical decisions that night, yet Dunphy found fault.
Yet again, he blows the lid, this time at the return game. We come away with a very respectable 2-2 draw, and almost won the game. Yet Dunphy has a go again. I didn't see it this time, and quite frankly I don't even want to watch it. But it is obvious that Dunphy has a personal problem with Trapattoni, whether it is over the whole Andy Reid issue, whether it is over his jealousy at hom succeeding, or whether it is simply for his own sense of achievement to be critical to ridiculous proportions.
I am happy Hunt has said something about Dunphy. Somebody, who has some form of influence needed to tell Dunphy exactly what he is, so that maybe he'll shut up. I can't say I respect Hunt as an intellectual, like the rest of you, or that I even consider him good enough to start for Ireland. I even admit, that I groaned when I saw him take the ball off Lawrence, for the free kick he had won, which led to St. Ledger's goal.
Anyway, that's how I feel.
PS. If anybody has ever read It's Only A Game?, they might be able to ensivage a younger, less wash-ed up and negative Dunphy. Back then, he was actually extremely good analytically. Now his analysis is simply his own cornershop of controversy
Very often the guys who understand the game best are those for whom the game was difficult, and hence they have to be more thoughtful in how they try and understand what works and what doesn't. Roy Keane might be a good example of the corollorary of this.
i agree with you stutgart88 i find that dunphy also uses 'people who know football' etc as way of getting people on his side, flatering people so they'll say 'yeah he's right' also when someone chanlenges him he says 'hey ask these guys these are the experts , pointing to graham and gilsey...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
great entertainment tho... him and micheal o leary, bullies of the highest order but you nearly alwasy have to watch / listen
Jesus, what's with the personal insults lads? Keep it to football!
For what it's worth, Ireland didn't dominate at any stage on Saturday, though they were equal to the Italians for long periods (most of the match, imo, and definitely moreso in the first half). Pirlo was given a lot of time and space, though he made most of it for himself. I thought it was because there was too much space between our midfield and defence but if our midfielders had been deeper keane and doyle would have been even more isolated. Pirlo obviously learnt from his Bari experience, or was taught what he did wrong by Lippi.
I think Hunt is just right to speak his mind. I agree with what he said and think Dunphy is being sensationalist for the sake of it. Who here seriously thinks our central midfield would be better with Andy Reid in it? I think we would be overrun, regularly, way more than happens at the minute (we didn't win the battle on Saturday and haven't done for a while). I also think our current wingers are as good as him if not better so I have no place for him there either. The only conceivable place is off a central striker, or as a central player in a 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1, with two out and out wide players and one striker, but that would mean dropping Doyle in which case we lose our defenders standard out ball of a long punt up the pitch (which incidentally we were doing less of on Saturday, imo). No-one is seriously suggesting dropping Keane. It's all a crock of ****e. Like mentioned elsewhere, McCarthy was criticised for being unprofessional and unprepared re training facilities, cheese sandwiches, diet etc (as was Jack for the Harry Ramsden's challenge, lest we forget) and now we have an Italian who comes in and not just for disciplinary reasons tries to stop players sitting up til all hours, not getting proper rest, drinking a few days before an important match etc etc and finds his authority questioned by the most out of shape player in the squad. So he's been dropped for disciplinary reasons and from a football perspective we aren't losing much and would have to change our team and our system considerably to play him? It's really not a reason to beat the manager when he's up. Reid may be useful in the squad but he is not a panacea for all our ills, far from it.
Maybe, though, the reason for Hunt's criticism is that he is smarter than we give him credit for. Maybe he wants to make sure Andy Reid never plays for Ireland again, thus increasing the chances of him playing.... not.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Shaking my head....let it go mate...let it go....its been 7 years.....:rolleyes:
Did you even read what he said?Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
He's saying that often it is those who were not the very best players who make good critics, and sometimes players who excelled at the highest level seem to find it hard to anaylse the game as well as we might expect they would.
Keane does seem to be an example of this.
Good analysis Dave.
In a way we're unfortunate that our better players include our wide players and Doyle. But they are our better players so they must start, so the shape must be as it is. Trap recognised our failings very early on and has come up with a system the allows us to play to our strengths and avoid exposing our weakness.
That's not to say we can't play better within this system because I believe we can. Yet we can still get 2 draws with Italy. Gotta take that as positive.
Marsielles fans would beg to differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
When I first saw this thread title just now i thought for sure it was going to be about SI.
Im actually relieved.
I think Dunphy and Hunt should have it out in a cage match.
Good lord man, don't be so sensitive - and inaccurate. Any rational man can understand that Keane was a legendary player but also one who seems unable to understand how to get less gifted players to play consistently well. 100% objective comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Maybe you should let it go.
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Your right to be fair.....apologies stutts
when they were in the second tier of French football 69er...soon as they got promoted he was sent packing to Nancy...where the injections stopped coming ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
...and coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Mourinho, Ferguson, Moyes, Wenger and on and on and one.
I could cite Maradona as an example of the other way around but that'd be unfair. He's probably too extreme a case in point to be relevant.
Of course there are good players who make good coaches. Guardiola for example. McCarthy is an interesting case study: technically limited player who coaches attacking football. In a way this supports my argument that less gifted players understand how things work, the importance of simplicity, showing for the ball etc.
No probs man. We're on the one road...Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Thank god most hunt bashers on here weren't around when our country was fighting for freedom. So many high standing pillars of the community here that jump at a lad for speaking up and saying what most people agree with. I like to listen to dunphy and giles, they are unpredictable which can be interesting and more so fun in my eyes, if you don't take them to serious. But I think its about time someone put it to eamo in a language he understands, more power to you hunty.
And for everyone on here writing him off as a nothing footballer, he has been as good as most in this campaign, another fine assist on Saturday. He demonstrates passion and pride in the jersey that we don't always see from all quarters within the squad, including some senior players.
I'm sure he is a good lad to have in the squad, as he is loud and desperate to succeed, and that can only be a positive thing.
Give the lad a break.
61 league goals in 84 games in Ligue 2 for Marseille..... it was over one third of their goals in those two seasons!Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
And before you say he was a flat track bully, he also scored 15 goals for Nancy in a season where they were relegated from Ligue 1.
France was where he was a success, not England.
Regardless of the division they were in he was undoubtedly a success which contradicts your original point. Being a bit of a pedant here I know!Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
em.... 170 league goals in 319 games, most of them in the scottish top flight when it meant something, and only 25 of the 170 for Rangers, the rest for smaller clubs? Hmmmm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Here, I'll buy ya a pint :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
ok, point taken on Ferguson. I was always under the impression that he was a decent but unremarkable player in his day. I'm still happy to stand behind the original assertion though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
As would Nancy fans, he was banging them in there too if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Brian Clough was a brillant player scoring something like 300 goals in 350 top flight appearances before getting injured at a young age.
Bobby Charlton was largely a failure as a manager.
Trapattoni was a good player noted for his marking ability but he was hardly a great player. He was probably similar to Michael Essien or someone like that. He was given the job of marking Eusebio in one match. He also played for Italy in a world cup.
Some great players turn out to be great managers. The vast majority of great players flop as managers. And most of the great managers were average players.
I personally think it's to do with how articulate someone is or forceful. Mourinho is very articulate. You have to admire Trap for communicating his message while struggling with a foreign language. Wenger is articulate and intelligent enough. Clough and Fersuson are or were forceful.
Then you have great players who don't know how to talk about the game.
Only because there are so few great players and so few great managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
I don't think there is any real link here. It all depends on the personality of those involved.
For the love of God, would you please stop digging a hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Brian Clough did not play a single game in the top flight aka. old Division One.
I think Dunphy has been looking for a reaction from trap in the same way Charlton used to get into public slagging matches with him and its not gonna happen. Trap has managed the Italian national team, most of the big clubs in Italy and bayern munich not to mention big clubs in portugal and Austria! Most of these positions particulary the ones in Italy and Germany are preasure cookers and the media are far more intense than anything Dunphy can throw at him. Their bigger jobs. Plus he dose'nt even live here so its water off a ducks back and Dunphy knows that and i'm sure it annoys him.
Dunphy wanted a reaction and he got one in Hunts comments. He's back in the spotlight again and RTEs ratings will be up now on wens night. Hes a comedy act who changes his opinion on teams and players all the time and i think ya have to take him for what he is and thats a clown who plays to the camera. People let him get into their heads and in this case hunt has stupidly given his senses.
Do agree with the poster that said the bandwagoners who only follow Ireland when they win, slag them when they lose and are ingnorant to the league of ireland are the only ones that listen to him because their sheep and have very little knowledge of the world game anyway bar 3 0r 4 teams in that disneyland league across the water.
I appreciate Dunphy is an analyst and gets paid to give his view , if i felt that the view he gave about the irish performance was not him been a vindictive pr*ck then fair enough but Hunt (although he may not be the smartest tool in the tool box) is passionate about playing for ireland like every other player that wore that green jersey on saturday night and im sure to hear dunphy's comments after such an emotional night where the lads gave it everything must have been infuriating to him and team.
Im not saying hunts comments were right, what i am saying after such an atmospheric and passionate night in croker on saturday i can somewhat understand why he said it
Dunphy is paid to speak his mind ... which I admire.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
But I'm impressed with Hunt here. He has proved to me that the team are behind Trap. To me that is a fantastic result.
Hunt is a player who gives 100% every time for Ireland.
Previously I was in the Stephen Ireland camp .. but come on guys ... any of us who played in any team knows that every teams needs a siege mentality.
I want this Irish team to go as far as possible in the World cup .. all the time frustrating the football purist.
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Originally Posted by Scram
The Hunts do appear like hillbillies even though I admire their tenacity.
Surely something like “Anyone taking Eamonn seriously should be locked up, he’s RTE football punditry’s version of Ryanair’s O’Leary” and just laughed it off, would have been more reasonable?…making Dunphy look like the fool instead of vice versa.
Yes, it's a family thing, just like his bro trying to steal Robbie's goal!Quote:
Originally Posted by eaststand85
fairly solid scoring rate at the end of his career at Marseille and NancyQuote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
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didn't read the whole thread, this was mentioned and debated a few times already
At what time will the pen fly across the studio on Wednesday evening?
For the love of God.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Polster
no its not, michael oleary whether we want to agree or not, has done a lot of good for this country and those of us who travel too....Quote:
Originally Posted by eaststand85
Fair play to Hunt, i know he can be vocal at times but glad to see the him show the balls to have a go at the cretin Dunphy.
There are plenty of Dunphy types round the country who for some perverse reason would rather see the manager and team fail.
this is the same eamon dunphy who hailed the arrival of trapattoni as the greatest thing to happen in irish soccer in years, and yet now has the audacity to criticise the man who has won more in european football than any other manager, because he's refusing to pick an average player like andy reid?
the guy is a joke. i'm glad i go to the games and don't have to listen to him, but it annoys me that other people have to. / that he gets paid.
I'd say Hunt will get a few good resounding cheers tomorrow evening.
Yes he sure will, should be amusing...and spur him on to try and take about 4 Montenegroens on down the wing...with a 50% chance of success and 50% chance of giving the ball up and leaving us wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
One of the things I like about Hunt is you just know the Engerrlish (EPL) "fans" hate him as do a lot of opposing teams so you love to see him wind them up…but, Stephen…PLEASE shut the f*(k up!!!
I suspect the Irish players don't read or listen to Dunphy but are made aware of what he says by friends and family.
When Dunphy says the Irish performance against Italy was a disgrace, who is he criticising? Is he criticising the players who gave 110% throughout the match?
When someone makes out it was a bad performance, you are criticising the players, whether you like it or not.
It's just dumb to blame the manager for everything while saying the players are great. The players and manager have to take equal responsibility for a win, lose or draw.
So I'd say the players take criticism of the team's performance very personally.