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But you dont mind them posting Racist jokes on your forum:rolleyes:
PM me the links to any of the jokes you think racist and if I agree that they are racist I will delete them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Here is one that was on the Bohs forum.
What do you call an Elephant with a Spade???
Dawn French... Bu-dum-chish...
Leave them all up so people can see the digusting hypocrisy being spouted by Bohs fans in particular on here.
While I don't like the joke and will be deleting it during a sweep of that thread, I would have deleted it if I'd seen it first time around, its not the same as racist chanting at a game, and you know it. Stop trying to get around this, I'm not looking for points deductions here I want Rovers to sort out this element.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
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Originally Posted by D24Hoop
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/...a3f29c7af3.jpg
That image is doctored, Quad. Those four points represent the four-in-a-row, and the one in the middle is...eh, for Rovers' only League Cup win. They're definitely not fascist symbols, and you're a racist for implying they are.
Hoops Blitz Tallaght Schools with Anti-Racism Message
I'd say they're well aware by now!Quote:
“In the beginning some of the kids did not even know what racism was,” explains club promotion officer Barry Dolan
There you go, a clear commitment broken. Interesting that, for a club which hates racism so much, the notoriously garrulous board has yet to comment on and condemn this vile abuse of the most despicable kind imaginable (yes, the same board which evidently thought a throwaway jibe by notorious motormouth Michael O'Leary more grievous, and serious enough to warrant a press release in response. Apparently racism isn't in the same category.)Quote:
Rovers hope that through sports, young kids can meet new friends and people from different cultures. Shamrock Rovers continue to support this anti-racism campaign by not allowing any forms of racist abuse at their matches.
Ok, people want something done about this? Let's make a start. I've emailed Shamrock Rovers about the incident and their lack of public action, and CCed the FAI and MNS. We'll see what kind of response I get, if any.
Oh, and thanks for reminding me of the Michael O'Leary incident there, Sheridan. Nice bit of cannon fodder. :)
sheridan, you clearly have a major issue with Shamrock Rovers FC. Every single thread about this Club, whether positive or negative, you make sure to do your very best to tarnish everything and anything possible about them. If it's a positive thread you come on with some bulls**t having a go and if it's a negative thread you dive in there rubbing your hands with glee before starting off on rant after rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Your beloved club beat us in a play-off a few years back (then went and died) and that was the catalyst for the waking of a sleeping giant and I think that might be your problem. Deep down you know that the best moment of your life (a former club relegating us) was the best thing that could have happened to SRFC.
You're nothing but a wum. Get over it!
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Originally Posted by D24Hoop
Lets be clear here. The only people damaging Shamrock Rovers here are their own 'supporters' and indeed their own board.
At the very least the board, when faced with this irrefutable evidence of their support engaged in racism should make a comment to the effect that as a club they abhor such behaviour, have worked tiresly to create awareness of rasism in the community as a whole and have taken proactive steps A, B & C to deal with it if it happens again in Tallaght Stadium.
That I believe would satisfy most level headed people (even Bohs fans). Talk of matches behind closed doors and point deductions are crazy. You cant gag supportes when they go through the turnstiles but you can act if they are seen or heard to do something which is out of order.
So your reaction on a match night will almost always have to be reactive rather than proactive. Your proactive measures should be in place long before the game anyway.
But SRFC have scored an own goal by not taking the initiative when this came out. Now, if they release a statement it will be perceived as reacting to the pressure brought to bare from the SARI statement and a cynical attempt to cover arse, which will make the board of SRFC appear quite weak and (probably not true but) soft on racism especially from their own support . Big error.
Must start off here by saying I do not want a points deduction for MK Hoops, titles should be won on the pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Hoop
If there was any doubt that the FAI need to take this seriously (and that MK Hoops do not) it is in the reaction on this thread.
The latest line is that this is all Bohs fans fault (see above) and that they forced SARI to issue a statement.
The fact is this was NOT "A SCUMBAG" while I do not prerend to know the exact number involved it was a lot more than one.
This is not a "one off" incident and has happened earlier in the season (all without comment by the club involved).
it is further clear that (as shown above) the club involved and its supporters are unable/incapable/ not interested in dealing with this problem and there is, therefore, an imperitive on the FAI to act on the matter.
I have no doubt that D24 and his ilk will ignore my views as I am a Bohs fan but can they please explain how we "planned and deliberately orchestrated" this ? After all it is one of your own who suggested getting fans to Dalymount to get it closed down, if you are suggesting the scum that did this are not Hoops then who are they ?
the comment about sectarian abuse is laughable when your fellow hoops are on here boasting about how they sing "orange B********s" songs about Bohs at most games (or are we to turn a blind eye to that as well ?)
Perhaps instead of critisising those who commented on the matter (for whatever reason) you should critisise your board (not renowned for being media shy) for not commenting on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops_R_Us
Sooooooo much easier to blame everyone else perhaps ?
It was a slightly off-topic aside that has nothing to do with you. Just look at his history on this board if you really feel the need to comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
The Bohs fans reaction to this whole episode is pathetic. Two points to make on the matter.
If this had happened last year, as Bohs were romping to the title and Rovers were stuck in mid table obscurity, would the same fuss have been made? No, certainly not. It is becasue Rovers are clearly going places, the one thing Eamonn Dunphy ever got right was when he said noeone in this league will allow anyone else to rise (or words to that effect).
Added to that, I was in Dalymount for the Salzburg game this year. I sat at the shopping centre end of the Connaught St stand and there was a group of 10 or so Bohs fan standing up the back behind me who racially abused the two black Salzburg players (the keeper and the left winger if I remember correctly). No monkey noises granted, but they had racial insults thrown at them on several occasions during that game. By an absolutely tiny minority of Bohs fans who were there of course, a la at Tallaght. Add that to the undisputed sectarian abuse thrown at Alan Mannus last week.
Despite the pathetic mock outrage from Bohs fans, I 100% support Rovers being fined. Calls for stadium bans and points deductions are hilarious and deluded.
Were we not looking at your clubs history on this subject ? several rascist incidents (according to your own message board) and not a word from the "shy" guys at SDCCs new ground ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoops_R_Us
trying to shoot the messenger(s) whoever they may be is not making this one go away.
The way this thread has developed is ridiculous.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Period.
And before someone decides to breach another foot.ie rule and question the club I support, I've heard individual Derry fans make loud racist comments a number of times in the last few years, most recently at Dundalk.
Doesn't matter who does it, its wrong and needs to be clamped down on.
Most of the posts in this thread are absolutely pathetic.
does SDCC have any protocol in relation to rasicm in its property
This is both an easy issue and a difficult issue.
The first time a penalty like points deduction happens it will be unfair because of other precedents - similiar to the Eduardo dive.
Somebody is going to have the first deduction of points - and it will be unfair and it will be inconsistent but the first time you do this will be the catalyst for everything
But the way around that is to announce the punishments, at teh start of the seaosn, before anything happens. Punishments should be laid out clearly before anyone does anything, then they know what to expect and can have no complaints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
And the worst thing is that if it was Bohs fans that made racist noises, half of the posters here would be making exactly the opposite points.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
What he said. Couldnt agree more!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
I object to this. I've been a campaigner against racism and fascism for fifteen years and you have no evidence to suggest that it would be the case for anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
What they want is for this story to go away (hence the closure of the thread on their board and the actions of their people on here in attacking posters rather than dealing with the issue), but that's not going to happen now. By their inaction in this case compared to the Michael O'Leary incident, and their failure to uphold that public pledge not to allow racism at "any of their matches" (home or away, presumably!) they have already depicted themselves as soft on racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
It's clear that they must comment, albeit that they've lost to opportunity to be seen to do so for the right reasons; it's the nature of those comments which will colour public perception. If they are exculpatory, reserved or mitigating in nature, the club will seem self-serving and cynical. Perhaps the only statement which can retrieve the situation now would be one utterly condemning both this specific manifestation (important) of racism and all such manifestations, accompanied by a cast-iron pledge to deal pro-actively with such occurrences in future, and a commitment not to contest or appeal whatever punishment is meted out to them.
I imagine he has the evidence of the last time Bohs fans were accused of racism. We're not talking about some theoretical model of economics or something here. It's happened before, and unless Battlestar Galactica lied to me, it'll happen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
What evidence? What time? :rolleyes: Imagine?Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Not at dig at you personally BohsPartisan, but I'm sure that if anyone could be arsed trawling through the web it woud be quite possible to find Bohs fans who were somewhat less vehement in their anti-racism around the time of the McGuinness incident than they are now. Likewise I'm sure you'd find examples of hand-wringing 'shocked and disgusted' Rovers fans at that time who are noticeably quieter this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
You might struggle to find a Sheridan fulminating, quoting from Bohs anti-racism bumf, etc etc etc etc etc around that time too.
As no-one tried to bury that story and the club took a stance immediately, it wasn't necessary.
I'm sure; I imagine; If...Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
This post from yourself and those from John83, Schumi and the"neutral" :rolleyes: are nothing other than conjecture and speculation. When are those posts going to be deleted the way mine were in the other thread? :rolleyes:
McGuinness was widely condemned for his actions by Bohs fans. You won't find any posts on our forum trying to condone what he did.
Most Boring. Thread. Ever.
Fact....
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Originally Posted by Schumi
The difference between the two cases (McGuinness and the SDCC ground incidents) is the reaction of the clubs. bohs board (and manager) apoligised immediately about what happened and made clear the club view on racism. At no stage did Bohs try to brush it under the carpet and despite a severe ban for the player (5 games on top of the automatic 1 the club imposed) there was no appeal.
Contrast this with the deafening silence from Tallaght after yet another rascist incident and tell me if you cannot see a difference.
Individual posters are not expected to stamp out racism (although as fans we should stand up to it ) but clubs are.
No, BP, it's laziness, and boredom with the stupid Bohs-Rovers crap we've seen over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Predictably enough, I have received no response yet after a day and a half. The silence is deafening.Quote:
Originally Posted by brianw82
What are you doing emailing MNS? And just what sort of response to you expect from them? They're a bloody TV show ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by brianw82
Or are you more interested in trying to maximise negative publicity for Shamrock Rovers? Surely that's not behind some of the comments in this thread?
I emailed Shamrock Rovers Football Club, and CCed MNS along with the FAI. I would expect them to say they are doing everything in their power to find the culprits.
Shamrock Rovers themselves are the ones bringing negative publicity upon themselves by hoping this will go away.
As an aside, is anyone surprised that there was no mention of this on MNS this week?
retract retract retract!Quote:
Originally Posted by kd16
We must see your evidence for these unsubstantiated allegations!
Infraction infraction infraction!:d
we have ways of making you talk!
Why did you CC MNS though?
You wanted it mentioned on their show that someone uploaded a youtube video in which apparent monkey noises can be heard at one stage for a few seconds during a game. Next week I look forward to their exposé on a fight outside United Park after someone was drunk, or opposition fans bus windows being smashed outside the Brandywell with reports from an internet messageboard.
Every Rovers fan has condemned the youtube video. It was a small handful of knackers making a stupid and pathetic noise. I'm sure Rovers, their stewards and the Gardaí have all had words about trying to identify and reef out anyone caught doing anythign similar in the future. As has been noted above it has happened all over, there'll be nothing to stop someone in Croke Park tonight making a snide comment or three or four p!ssed up idiots trying to start the Adebayor chant about a black opposition player. It's stupid, it's pathetic, it's not acceptable. But don't expect a Charlie Bird investigation on the back of it. Like I said everyone has condemned this rather stupid behaviour, If the club knew who did it I've no doubt a life ban would be iissued and I'm sure the club and matchday staff will be looking at how to identify such in future.
Of course that's not half interesting enough for the usual smattering of Bohs fans, Sligo Rovers fans and Sheridan trying to maximise negative publicity about this, owing to the fact that they don't like Shamrock Rovers very much (or in Sheridan's case is simply a freak of nature).
I could have told you before opening this thread that it would be Bohs fans, Sligo fans and Sheridan comparing a day out at Tallaght Stadium to the Berlin Olympics. Sure enough you have Bohs fans organising a response from SARI, Sligo fans emailing TV shows for some bizarre reason and I can only imagine what Sheridan is up to, sadly I have him on ignore but considering he was laughably suggesting Rovers are killing people last week I'm sure it's priceless.
Oh, and way to go with the MNS being biased re: rovers dig. That's my particular favourite of all the Bohs/Sligo/Sheridan nonsense. I'm looking forward to someone totting up the amount of screen time each team has had and showing Rovers got an extra 3mins of highlights over the season, a revelation to be met with a flood of "Thanks" from Sheridan.
Is there any actual proof that this incident occured , ?? on the basis that even SARI refered to it an as "alleged incident" I assume there isn't....
so calls for fines/points deductions/responses to emails/statement from the board of SRFC etc. are IMO somewhat ott and smack of desperation/bitterness on the part of a number of posters here especially Sheridan who IMO would be better served by applying the same energy to trying to figure out what motivates his apparent obsessive passive hatred of SRFC and then finding a way to mitigate it thereby freeing himself from it's corrosive effects.... or as some might put it "get a life"
I think people should leave the Boco incident seperate to the Ndo incident, we (Sligo Rovers) have moved on from that, and so should Shamrock and Bohs fans with the Ndo craic. Looks like nothing will be done over the Ndo incident, so just forget it and move on.
Yes, I do want it mentioned and discussed on MNS, just like the McGuinness incident was. Every other issue of importance this season has been discussed on MNS, this should be no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Things like that are nearly always unsubstantiated. One person says something happened, another says nothing happened. There is video evidence of the racial abuse towards Ndo. That is undeniable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
That would be fair enough. However, if that's the case, why haven't the Rovers board said anything like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Nothing at all to do with the club I support. However, if this had been, say, Dundalk involved, I'm sure I'd get a snide comment about being bitter towards Sean Connor. :rolleyes: I would've had the same reaction no matter what club it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
You also, for the 2nd post in a row, ignored the fact that the club, to whom the email was directed, gave me no response. Would that be the case if I was enquiring about sponsoring a player, or any other query that might have resulted in money for the club? I doubt that, somehow.
Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on the matter. No point in getting into arguments about it.
If MNS do something on this incident, Rovers will be livid. And rightly so.
But in that event, they should be livid with the toads who caused the problem in the first place - not the messangers.
If Rovers - or any club for that matter - don't want to be mentioned in such negative tones on TV, then the answer is to do something to sort the original problem out. TV is therefore a useful tool for forcing action. If Rovers fans don't like that - tough.