League Cup shenanigans

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

So the breaking of this 'agreement' has Pat Fenlon, mainly, worried about 'the Health and Safety of the players'?

This is because:

a) an agreement was broken by the bad, bad, fai. Which raises serious concerns about the players' mental wellbeing
b) they have to do a bit of travelling
c) they have to play three games in the space of a week
d) the results of those games will have a big impact on the outcome of the season

Ayone want to throw up an aul poll?

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Do you really like quiz shows or something? why are ye turning everything into one

The FAI wanted to play the final in Waterford... because Bohs accommodated this the Fai agreed to accommodate Bohs by agreeing that they wouldnt have to travel Dublin-Waterford-Dublin-Derry within a couple of days. now i dont care how far Derry have to travel to matches or whatever else you fancy getting outraged about, the fact is that while you think there is some conspiracy theory and Bohs are being 'helped out' by the FAI the oposite is actually the case as Bohs are losing out here because they agreed to the final in waterford. Bohs could have let the coin be tossed and had they won the would have only had to travel to Derry.

That is the point that has been made its not a competition to see who travels the most or any sort of conspiracy theory.

question - was it within the remit of the FAI to give assurances to Bohs without first speaking to Derry?

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Originally Posted by topia

Do you really like quiz shows or something? why are ye turning everything into one

The FAI wanted to play the final in Waterford... because Bohs accommodated this the Fai agreed to accommodate Bohs by agreeing that they wouldnt have to travel Dublin-Waterford-Dublin-Derry within a couple of days. now i dont care how far Derry have to travel to matches or whatever else you fancy getting outraged about, the fact is that while you think there is some conspiracy theory and Bohs are being 'helped out' by the FAI the oposite is actually the case as Bohs are losing out here because they agreed to the final in waterford. Bohs could have let the coin be tossed and had they won the would have only had to travel to Derry.

That is the point that has been made its not a competition to see who travels the most or any sort of conspiracy theory.

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What evidence is there of an agreement, other than Pat Fenlon's comments?

Since when were the FAI able to make such agreements, magnanimously, for others?

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it. Again the FAI could only be asked to move the Derry game (as I believe Derry have in the past wrt the LC final), in return the FAI could only try to accommodate them.

Are you all really that sold on Pat Fenlon's Handheld Transportable Garden Excavation Implements Emporium, that not one of you find his comments on the H&S of his players bizzare? Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

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Originally Posted by hoops1

Haha This is just Nutsy using something to motivate his players. He probably feels as I do that the league will decided by that game in Derry and is trying the us against the world trick

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it.

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If they forewent the draw and the chance of playing at home, then they clearly are losing out.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If they forewent the draw and the chance of playing at home, then they clearly are losing out.

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More conjecture, on my part, but believe they are of the opinion that their fans won't turn out in force for the 'mickey mouse cup'. Taking their chances on a bigger crowd in Waterford.

Irrelevant. If Bohs forewent the possibility of a home draw, they lost out. It's not as if Waterford have massive crowds this season either.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Irrelevant. If Bohs forewent the possibility of a home draw, they lost out. It's not as if Waterford have massive crowds this season either.

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pertains to motive your honour

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it.

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Can't blame them for that...what use is having a cake and not being able to eat it?

[OT] The original phrase is "Eat your cake and have it", which actually makes sense. "Have your cake and eat it" is, apparently, just easier to say.[/OT]

Let them eat cake, for there is no bread.

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

What evidence is there of an agreement, other than Pat Fenlon's comments?

Since when were the FAI able to make such agreements, magnanimously, for others?

Bohs are not losing out in all this - they simply thought they could have their cake and eat it. Again the FAI could only be asked to move the Derry game (as I believe Derry have in the past wrt the LC final), in return the FAI could only try to accommodate them.

Are you all really that sold on Pat Fenlon's Handheld Transportable Garden Excavation Implements Emporium, that not one of you find his comments on the H&S of his players bizzare? Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

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Oh ok well if Pat Fenlon didnt invent the whole thing to give you something to create another conspiracy theory out of then Bohs have lost out on not playing at home because they made an agreement to play it in Waterford. Of course the fact that its Derry would have influenced Bohs decision to allow the final to be played in Waterford as they thought that the agreement with the FAI would mean not having to travel to opposite ends of the country (insert pun here) within the space of a few days meaning better preparation for Derry who are a good side in a vital league game. It was the FAI that wanted the Final in Waterford though.

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Originally Posted by topia

Oh ok well if Pat Fenlon didnt invent the whole thing to give you something to create another conspiracy theory out of then Bohs have lost out on not playing at home because they made an agreement to play it in Waterford. Of course the fact that its Derry would have influenced Bohs decision to allow the final to be played in Waterford as they thought that the agreement with the FAI would mean not having to travel to opposite ends of the country (insert pun here) within the space of a few days meaning better preparation for Derry who are a good side in a vital league game. It was the FAI that wanted the Final in Waterford though.

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It might be the fact that John Delaney is from Waterford if i am correct.
Will there be any temporary seating brought in at all?

Is this League all about Bohs and Fenlon?
They have to travel so seldom. Only to Cork, Derry, Galway & Sligo twice a season.( 8 trips. Other teams have 3 times that.) All their other games are only a trot away. Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated. Why I wonder did they agree to travel to Waterford in the first place?... now there's a question I would like to hear answered truly.
If a Club is successful of course they will have fixture congestion. Most Clubs would welcome this problem.
Stop moaning Bohs.

They should just play it and shut up about it!!

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Originally Posted by unclekev

Is this League all about Bohs and Fenlon?
They have to travel so seldom. Only to Cork, Derry, Galway & Sligo twice a season.( 8 trips. Other teams have 3 times that.) All their other games are only a trot away. Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated. Why I wonder did they agree to travel to Waterford in the first place?... now there's a question I would like to hear answered truly.
If a Club is successful of course they will have fixture congestion. Most Clubs would welcome this problem.
Stop moaning Bohs.

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are you for real?

1) this is the first thread about Fenlon or Bohs (bar the financial thread) since the start of the season. Bohs fans here are among the least vocal fans posting in this forum. (i may be the exception that proves the rule although most of the crap i post is easily ignored rubbish).

2) Its not our fault that we travel so seldom. Its also not our fault that the clubs you listed have to travel so much. No one is calling for "Maybe to suit them the teams out of Dublin and its boundaries should be relegated." Why are you putting words into the fans/Fenlons/the clubs mouth? Its not the point at issue.

3) Bohs agreed to travel to and play the final in Waterford at the request of the FAI in return for an assurance from the FAI that the game against Derry a couple of days later would be MOVED. Not cancelled, not relocated to Dalymount Park. A fairly reasonable deal all things considered. We'd still have to make the trip. But its not about the trip, its about the FAI backing out of some sort of agreement that they should never have made in the first place if they didnt have the power or authority to do so. Otherwise we would just have taken our chances with the coin flip. Theres no mystery about why we agreed to play the final in Waterford.

4) We are Bohs, born to moan.

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Will any of you, other SkStu care to admit the issue at the heart of the matter:

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i believe i have listed in the post above at point 3, the issue at the heart of the matter.

What's the bottom line here?

Say DCFC agreed to talk about a fixture change versus Bohs (highly unlikely at this late stage and one which most sane Derry fans would be against) when would that take place exactly?
Why have the Bohs fans and/ or Pat Fenlon not suggested such a date?

Is this more to do with the opposition Bohs face following the LC Final, Derry and Shamrock Rovers? (all of a sudden these 2 games could be title deciders)

We've been told the League Cup is a minnow cup for years from Bohs fans so just ignore it then, play your A team and carry on as you were.....problem solved :cool:

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Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

Is this more to do with the opposition Bohs face following the LC Final, Derry and Shamrock Rovers? (all of a sudden these 2 games could be title deciders)

We've been told the League Cup is a minnow cup for years from Bohs fans so just ignore it then, play your A team and carry on as you were.....problem solved :cool:

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Its been said, When the FAI wanted to play it in Waterford of course Bohs didnt want to play opposition as strong as Derry within a couple of days at the opposite end of the country and so the 'agreement' was made. You seem to be making out that Bohs just didnt fancy a trip to Derry and rang up the FAI to say nah that doesnt suit us.

By the way i agree that Derry would be mad to agree to change it at this stage, its not their problem, it is the FAI who are to blame, making an agreement to suit themselves when they wouldnt/couldnt carry it out.

Don't like it don't play do what fenlon done after the cup game look your team in the dressing room for hours and have a moan

Have you actually read the thread?

Hopefully FAI learn to keep mouth shut - key here is 'probably' they gave assurances to Bohs without speaking to Derry (and given finances across league we all know why Derry need game played - even if it clashes with Champions League).

Just spotted that the week after Derry have worse to do than Bohs (pity it's a Derry example) - they play away to Linfield on the Saturday evening - then play in Cork on the Tuesday. Travel like this is a symptom of success (in Derry's case last season in qualifying for Setanta) and if league is to finish on time games must be played.

I wonder if Fenlon would have made same comments if Boh's form didn't go a bit shaky there for a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by refjohn

Hopefully FAI learn to keep mouth shut - key here is 'probably' they gave assurances to Bohs without speaking to Derry (and given finances across league we all know why Derry need game played - even if it clashes with Champions League).

Just spotted that the week after Derry have worse to do than Bohs (pity it's a Derry example) - they play away to Linfield on the Saturday evening - then play in Cork on the Tuesday. Travel like this is a symptom of success (in Derry's case last season in qualifying for Setanta) and if league is to finish on time games must be played.

I wonder if Fenlon would have made same comments if Boh's form didn't go a bit shaky there for a few weeks.

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Spot on ref, let's all go to the FAI and try and get matches changed to suit us. All Bohs are being asked to do is to play a mid week game, big deal. As for Bohs supporters saying they could have had a toss of a coin, sure we all know Bohs don't have a toss of the coin, like they didn't when it came to decide what side the penalties would be taken in last years FAI cup final. Oh maybe that was another prior arrangement with the FAI.

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Originally Posted by Derry

Spot on ref, let's all go to the FAI and try and get matches changed to suit us. All Bohs are being asked to do is to play a mid week game, big deal. As for Bohs supporters saying they could have had a toss of a coin, sure we all know Bohs don't have a toss of the coin, like they didn't when it came to decide what side the penalties would be taken in last years FAI cup final. Oh maybe that was another prior arrangement with the FAI.

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who agreed to give them a two goal headstart in the shootout...:D

The biggest question is why the FAI would even allow this situation to develop. Toss the coin, the winner gets the choice- simple.

Balls to these 'arrangements', they're always likely to come unstuck somehow, just follow the feckin procedure and both sides get on with it.

Again i can't see why Bohs are so upset at having to play a mid week game. In a couple of weeks Derry City have to travel to Belfast to play Linfield on a Saturday. The following Tuesday they have to travel to CORK, which, including stops will take about 8 hours there and back. Then on the Friday we are home to Rovers, this is far worse than thats being asked of Bohs yet they are having a wee fit.

Again, that's not the point. The point is the FAI are (allegedly) going back on their word, and the FAI's word was needed for Bohs to forfeit any chance of a home draw just to Delaney could help Waterford.

(And whatever about proving that, if you don't believe that's a possibility, you don't know owt about the FAI!)

FAI - Bohs, what would it take for us just to give Waterford the League Cup Final? You split the gates anyway, and I want to do them a favour.
Bohs - OK, well sure, just put our game in Derry back a week to give us more time to prepare, and we'll call that a deal.
FAI - Done.
FAI (four weeks later) - Actually, remember when I said that was a done deal? Scratch that; changed my mind.

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Originally Posted by Derry

Again i can't see why Bohs are so upset at having to play a mid week game. In a couple of weeks Derry City have to travel to Belfast to play Linfield on a Saturday. The following Tuesday they have to travel to CORK, which, including stops will take about 8 hours there and back. Then on the Friday we are home to Rovers, this is far worse than thats being asked of Bohs yet they are having a wee fit.

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And presumably because Derry have to do it that makes it all right ! one of the biggest problems in this League is the begruding attitude to any club that has success. we see this every year with european games where clubs participating are hindered in re-arranging League games.
The stupid argument that "tough luck it happened to us before" so prevelent from derry supporters (perhaps the REAL reason is this think this gives them some advantage ?) here simply perpetuates the crazy mentality of punishing success.
An eye for an eye and eventually all blind.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Again, that's not the point. The point is the FAI are (allegedly) going back on their word, and the FAI's word was needed for Bohs to forfeit any chance of a home draw just to Delaney could help Waterford.

(And whatever about proving that, if you don't believe that's a possibility, you don't know owt about the FAI!)

FAI - Bohs, what would it take for us just to give Waterford the League Cup Final? You split the gates anyway, and I want to do them a favour.
Bohs - OK, well sure, just put our game in Derry back a week to give us more time to prepare, and we'll call that a deal.
FAI - Done.
FAI (four weeks later) - Actually, remember when I said that was a done deal? Scratch that; changed my mind.

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And that looks about the size of it. Any talk about anything else on this thread about poor old us alone up (or down) here having to travel all the time is just irrelavant noise.

This is about the FAI (allegedly) making an agreement and then pulling out of it. Absolutely disgraceful and a shameful way for the association to act, if true. Yet another example of how unfit they are to run football in this country. Their credibility is non existent.

FAI Statement



In relation to comments in today’s media attributed to Bohemian F.C., the Football Association of Ireland would like to clarify that at no point were Bohemian F.C. given assurances regarding the date of their fixture against Derry City F.C.



Bohemian F.C. will play Waterford United F.C. in the final of the EA SPORTS Cup on Saturday, September 26th. Both clubs were originally scheduled to play league fixtures this weekend. However, due to the EA SPORTS Cup final, both clubs will now play these matches on Tuesday, September 29th.



ENDS





Eoghan Rice - Communications Executive

Football Association of Ireland

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

And a verbal agreement isn't worth the paper its written.

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A verbal agreement isn't worth the paper its NOT written on, surely?!:confused:

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

FAI Statement



In relation to comments in today’s media attributed to Bohemian F.C., the Football Association of Ireland would like to clarify that at no point were Bohemian F.C. given assurances regarding the date of their fixture against Derry City F.C.



Bohemian F.C. will play Waterford United F.C. in the final of the EA SPORTS Cup on Saturday, September 26th. Both clubs were originally scheduled to play league fixtures this weekend. However, due to the EA SPORTS Cup final, both clubs will now play these matches on Tuesday, September 29th.



ENDS





Eoghan Rice - Communications Executive

Football Association of Ireland

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Its all a big Rovers-Derry anti-Bohez conspiracy :D

Seriously though, given the FAI pontificated to all who would listen at the start of the season that the days of willy nilly unilateral fixture changes were over and that tripartite agreement would likely be needed for changes (both clubs and FAI) they've, yet again, made a rod for their own back.

Minding my words here, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bohs weren't given a wink and a nod by someone that they'd be looked after, but then when Derry found out and didn't acquiesce (and why should we, its in our interests to play them asap), the FAI may have had to live by their previously stated position. Allegedly.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

(And whatever about proving that, if you don't believe that's a possibility, you don't know owt about the FAI!)

FAI - Bohs, what would it take for us just to give Waterford the League Cup Final? You split the gates anyway, and I want to do them a favour.
Bohs - OK, well sure, just put our game in Derry back a week to give us more time to prepare, and we'll call that a deal.
FAI - Done.
FAI (four weeks later) - Actually, remember when I said that was a done deal? Scratch that; changed my mind.

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Given what we'd all like to believe about the fai this seems entirely plausible.

However surely both parties should have known that the fixture can't be changed without someone else's consent?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Minding my words here, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bohs weren't given a wink and a nod by someone that they'd be looked after, but then when Derry found out and didn't acquiesce (and why should we, its in our interests to play them asap), the FAI may have had to live by their previously stated position. Allegedly.

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That's pretty much what I'm thinking too.

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

However surely both parties should have known that the fixture can't be changed without someone else's consent?

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So you check before agreeing the "deal".

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the FAI forgot until it was too late. We asked them last year before the fixtures came out to not give us a game on one specific Saturday. They could have given us a home game (Friday) or 9 of 11 away games (all Fridays), but they gave us a Saturday game. The level of idiocy in there is unreal.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

So you check before agreeing the "deal".

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the FAI forgot until it was too late. We asked them last year before the fixtures came out to not give us a game on one specific Saturday. They could have given us a home game (Friday) or 9 of 11 away games (all Fridays), but they gave us a Saturday game. The level of idiocy in there is unreal.

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Do the FAI not ask all clubs to submit certain "no can do" dates before the fixtures come out, and then plan the fixtures accordingly?

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...t=html&oi=nojs


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?output...Get+Directions

Google maps makes it about half an hour :o

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Am I really alone in taking a little pleasure in a Derry fan having to post a link to "Driving directions to Londonderry, County Londonderry, UK"? It's like I don't know this site any more. :p

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Originally Posted by John83

Am I really alone in taking a little pleasure in a Derry fan having to post a link to "Driving directions to Londonderry, County Londonderry, UK"? It's like I don't know this site any more. :p

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So caught up in an anti Bohs/ Pat Fenlon rant that they probobly did'nt even realise ?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

And presumably because Derry have to do it that makes it all right ! one of the biggest problems in this League is the begruding attitude to any club that has success. we see this every year with european games where clubs participating are hindered in re-arranging League games.
The stupid argument that "tough luck it happened to us before" so prevelent from derry supporters (perhaps the REAL reason is this think this gives them some advantage ?) here simply perpetuates the crazy mentality of punishing success.
An eye for an eye and eventually all blind.

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There is nothing begrudging about it, It's the fact you think the likes of Derry will get some sort of advantage. You're away to Waterford at the weekend, and then you have to play Derry City mid week. How is that an advantage to Derry City. Every team has to play mid week games, yet when Bohs are told to do so, they cry foul. As for your belief of punishing success. Sure for the last four years you have been making a mockery of the LC as it was only for minnows, although to win the treble which was every Bohs supporters dream at the start of the season, you have to win the LC. So treat it as a minnow's cup and send your 3rd team to play the game. Your dreams of the treble are for another day.

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Originally Posted by Derry

There is nothing begrudging about it, It's the fact you think the likes of Derry will get some sort of advantage. You're away to Waterford at the weekend, and then you have to play Derry City mid week. How the f*** is that an advantage to Derry City. Every team has to play mid week games, yet when Bohs are told to do so, they cry foul. As for your belief of punishing success. Sure for the last four years you have been making a mockery of the LC as it was only for minnows, although to win the treble which was every Bohs supporters dream at the start of the season, you have to win the LC. So treat it as a minnow's cup and send your 3rd team to play the game. Your dreams of the treble are for another day. You are so far up your a*** in terms of importence.

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Obviously the schools provided by HMG are not as good at the old reading as schools down here, the issue is T-R-A-V-E-L not the number of games played (do try reading the preceeding posts, it helps)
Amazed at the St Paul like conversion of Derry fans over the League Cup (which has now morphed into a minnow cup - as soon as they are out after years of (literally) banging the drum about it). For most fans it still rates below the League and FAI Cup but like most fans I want my team to win any/every trophy possible and do not see why the club should have to sacrifice one or the other, if that is self importance then mea culpa but how many fans would honestly have a different view ?

Right lads,

This thread is now descending into childishness. Debate the issues, without personal abuse.