The state of some LOI grounds is just shocking. Some are probably still the same as they were 10 years ago.
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The state of some LOI grounds is just shocking. Some are probably still the same as they were 10 years ago.
Goodison Park and Anfield are the same as they were ten years ago. The problem is that LOI grounds were sh1t ten years ago and places like Tolka have become sub-standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheao
Bray have a new wall!Quote:
Originally Posted by sheao
A different class
Would it not be wiser developing the shed end and the railway end than demolishing the jinks which is miles ahead of both the shed end and the railway end?Quote:
Originally Posted by dong2008
Traditionally the goal ends in the Showgrounds have been for standing, and for me Id like it kept that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
The thing about developing the Jinks side is that your creating an overall building for facilities like a sports hall, gym, hospitality etc., not just a new seated stand. A well planned project now, catering for all the amenities you need in a modern football club, is the way to go. Of course planning it and building it are too completely different things.
I still think we need to develop a bar/ function room that is close to the Churchill boundary of the site. Let it be accessed seperatly from the rest of the Showgrounds during the week so it can hold functions, birthdays, bingo, whatever and on match day open it to fans. You could lease it out if you didnt want to get involved in the day-to-day running of it, and it would be a good money spinner.
I thought those amenities were going to be introduced in the Shed End?
Would a developed terrace with the possibility of seating being introduced for European games be a better idea than demolishing the jinks stand?
There's been a longstanding aim to develop the Jinks stand, which as Redobit says would give us more than just a stand. There was some sort of inkling a couple years ago about something being done at the shed end-cant remember what it was though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
I was at the Showgrounds two weeks ago and it seemed there is a lot of room for development. I would say ye could have a 10,000 all-seater stadium there, would I be right?
Yeah, sounds like a great idea alright, but whats the point in any Irish team having a 10,000 seater stadium? Waste of money that they don't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
Obviously no good now, but in the future they wouldn't need to move to a new stadium like Bohs and Drogheda need at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Town
10,000 would be pushing it. Not much room on the railway end. 6,000 would be do-able in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
Theres no more room for development at the New stand side as it would be cutting into Treacy Avenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
But there is a good bit of room for development at both the Railway End, The Shed End and the Jinks.
GAA does effect soccer in this country and in general you go to most county grounds around the country and their facilities are far better though the non payment of players does allow for the investment in facilities easier, if truth be told most club GAA teams have better facilities than LOI clubs.
If we leveled everything and started from scratch, yeah no probs id say (11.5 acres in total)Quote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
Drogs wanted one, they barely get 1000 at games this season!!:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by De Town
I was amazed when I was at the Showgrounds that there's so much space in there. You can see directly into the ground from the road and you can park your car behind one of the goals!
Ye could definitely build a large stand on the Jinks Avenue if ye maybe cut off a piece of the training pitches behind it. As for the sides well I know the one by the road could be developed into a large stand as well. I'm not sure about the other side though, I wasn't over there.
I'll say ye could have 8,000 seats. 10,000 might be pushing it.
Of course they are getting small crowds, they are a club who nearly went bust and are in a relegation battle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Black and White
True now but when they were doing well for a few years their supporters did turn out for them and when all the financial problems arose last year it was their supporters who helped to rise a lot of money quickly to helpthem get out of their mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
no point building a 10000 seater ground in one go, why cant you just get the land you require to one day have a 10000 seater ground (and maybe a bit more for some training pitches, and 5-7 aside pitches), but for now maybe build a concrete terrace all around the ground that can have seating installed later, maybe install 3000 seats at the start,
you could install public amenities and the sorts into the stands, like shopping space (didnt work for drogs but a good idea none the less) or maybe a multi purpsoe sports hall (pool hall, 2-3 bars, maybe even a night club),
this idea would require a lot of clubs to sell there current ground and move to a new area in there perspective towns/cities, but thats what the other clubs in norway and the likes done 20 years ago, they took the hit and are now thriving,
i personally think this league will have to take a few steps backwards in order to move forward, it may require a return to an all semi-pro league, it may require falling a few slots in our european coefficiencies, but were here now and the problems seem to big to rectify, with our current problems of over infalted wages, massive over heads and over the tops law enforcers,
i feel the LOI is being used by EUFA and FIFA as some kind of testing ground simply because no one gives a toss about the LOI, the strictness of our laws favour clubs going bust rather than flourishing, were the first and i still think the only league in the world that requires mandatory full medical tests every year (how may players have had to retire due to this, compared to other leagues), if any of the top european league had rules as strict as the LOI rules they would look very differnt today,
but no point saying any of this, beacuse this can be achived if clubs are supported and run well by there owners, and the owners must have a long term strategy of where they wanna take the club, and i dont mean to the top of the table, i mean infastructure, brand recognition, comunity relations. ETC, clubs try these out maybe every 3-5 years and if they dont see imediate rewards they just stop doing it, its also good to have an owner that is willing to loose money, even if it takes 15 years before he starts getting it back, this is what it is to own a football club and the rewards at the end of the day will make up for all the hardship youll endure to make your club great,
now at the same time you want the owner to invest, but not put it all in in one go, take small steps, and the first step to runing any club is to get people in the gate, it may require having a bus to collect fans, lowering admission fees, improving the match day expierience by having a decent shop in the ground, have half-time entertainment (cross-bar challenge, kiddies match, dancers, draws,) and always, always, make sure they know when the next game is on, put a big giant sign in the ground with it written on it, mind you a score board wouldnt go astray either,
now anyone wanna follow my club :D
EDIT, also for those who dont like seeing empty seats why not find a way to cover them if there not gonna be use, get some big flags and the likes to cover them, or think of someother way to make it look good
Surely its achievable for every Premier team to have a decent stadium with at least 4,000 seats.
yes it is, the problem is they want it now, these thing take time and commitment, the key is for every new supporter that walks in the gate to have a satisfying expierience that will entice him to returnQuote:
Originally Posted by inchicore_saint
think the Molde stadium is excellent even if you had 7 or 8 rows of seats all around the ground would be sufficent and an excellent ground. No ambition in our league with clubs and the councils
dont agree with this at all - just turn on rte at any time and they are always showing some Gah junk from celebrity ban, the sunday game, pride of the county, etc etc etc - the free promotion the GAA get is so not funny:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by bishbash
http://www.conferencegrounds.co.uk/r...d_diamonds.htm
I used to live quite close to Rushden (although strictly speaking they were the enemy) I always thought their ground was the perfect model for a LOI club, capacity of about 6,500 with a good mix of seats & terrace, proper facilities with 2 bars and a restaraunt for sponsors, full training pitch & gym on site with the shop & all the clubs offices also housed in the stadium
http://www.thediamondsfc.com/page/Ne...,10784,00.html
I couldnt be arsed going looking for the thread on LOI grounds but one question I want to ask is, didnt the FAi grant Drogheda a licence on severla grounds this season one in particular that temporary seating was to be put in place to bring it up to Premier Division regulations? So are these seast in now or whats the story with them?
No blackandwhite the seats arent going in and the whole issue will be fudged by the fai because they love us so much , anyway they have enough to be dealing with cork going bust and bohs on the way :eek: Any chance you could get some cover for away fans and maybe a footpath to enter and exit the grouind without getting soaked and covered in mud .Theres a good lad .
Was a valid question ndrog, but your response is typical in its defensiveness and deflection. A straight answer would have negated any mischief making BandW was indulging in if even thats what he was at:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
He makes a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
And the judgemental holier than thou attitude displayed by dundalk fans after coming up from 7 years in the graveyard is getting tiresome beyond belief :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Did i say defensiveness?? Should have said paranoia!!!:o
Ironically the more time goes on the more some of the Dundalk posse remind me of certain Galway fans after they got up a few years ago.
The FAI own the ground and they indicated at the start of the season that they will add seating to Utd Park, the home terrace area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I think that the time involved won't be until next season so don't expect to see anything soon. Engineers have been up to look at how it can be done and apparently a plan has been approved.
It's just a matter of wait and see I suppose.
drogman how many seats are we talking ? is it both ends or what. dosent seem to be that much space behind the goals though.
The teams - Premier League, mainly - really need to improve slowly and steadily, without boxing themselves into a situation where they can no longer extend.
If possible, whether your stadium has 2,000 or 4,000, you should first focus on cleaning the stadium up (a problem with most LOI grounds), improving the shops/toilets/whatever, but if at all possible, teams should be ready for a situation where, if circumstance dictates, they can extend the stadium from 2,000, 4,000 gradually upwards towards 8,000, 10,000 and beyond.
Basically there's no point having a 20,000 seater stadium for 2,000 supporters, but there's also no point in having a beautiful, flawless 4,000 seater and if the situation arises where you could be bringing in two or three times that amount you have no surrounding lands in which to extend.
It's a nice idea, but in practice, most of the Premier teams which own their grounds are busy selling it to pay for a league title. If we reach a point where teams are on a steady footing financially, we can think about gradually improving the infrastructure - essentially what licensing was supposed to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ped_ped
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Originally Posted by ndrog
There is no doubting our away end is a disgrace, and as I have said many times, not fit for Premier standard.
Hopefully this will be addressed in the not to distant future.
i like oriel park have to say. seems to me it has great space to upgrade it if they have the money. artificial surface, has the potential to be a top ground there.
Thanks Drogman, thats all I was really asking about but of course Ndrog has to turn it into a pitiful slagging match whihc nobody cares about....TypicalQuote:
Originally Posted by Drogman.
You have my sincere apologies blackandwhite .I did indeed turn it into a pitiful slagging match and for that im truly sorry .The wounds are still open after our horrendous showing in oriel pk on friday night , i would like to publically and sincerely wish my fellow Louth men all the best for the rest of season .Love Ndrog .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Black and White