Who will win the 1st division

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19/05/2009, 1:07 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

while Fingal lose at home to the lowlier Sligo. .

:eek: we're not lowlier, were just biding our time;)
19/05/2009, 2:58 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

:eek: we're not lowlier, were just biding our time;)

We tried that last year, didn't work too well.
19/05/2009, 6:21 PM
CSFShels

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That's a fair enough point alright. I'd worry (well, hope :) ) that your relative lack of goals would mean that a game you could have won 1-0 will end up 0-0, and you'll drop a few points that way.

Last night's results in Galway and Morton adds a bit more to this thread, I think. UCD, bringing on pretty much our subs bench from Friday, beat a full strength (and ten-man) Galway away, while Fingal lose at home to the lowlier Sligo. I think our League Cup run should answer any doubts as to our strength in depth, to be honest.

We weren't big scorers last year either and we finished marginally behind a Dundalk side who I'd have rated higher than the 3 teams we're up against here. Obviously not Fingal on paper, but I don't think Buckley is very good to be honest. And we're yet to play out a nil nil so far haha. We've scored in every game in every competition except against Fingal, where we did infact also score a perfectly good goal which was ruled out. We're not going to spend the season beating teams 4 and 5 nil I doubt. We're going to grind out tonnes of one goal victories and I'd imagine that'll put us above all but one come the end of the season.
19/05/2009, 6:31 PM
Hairy Bowsie

I think Shels will finish 3rd, behind UCD and Fingal.
19/05/2009, 6:49 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

We weren't big scorers last year either and we finished marginally behind a Dundalk side who I'd have rated higher than the 3 teams we're up against here. Obviously not Fingal on paper, but I don't think Buckley is very good to be honest. And we're yet to play out a nil nil so far haha. We've scored in every game in every competition except against Fingal, where we did infact also score a perfectly good goal which was ruled out. We're not going to spend the season beating teams 4 and 5 nil I doubt. We're going to grind out tonnes of one goal victories and I'd imagine that'll put us above all but one come the end of the season.

Where have I heard these points before. I wonder:D
19/05/2009, 8:10 PM
CSFShels

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Where have I heard these points before. I wonder:D

What is your obsession with the fact that I post on another forum too?
19/05/2009, 10:06 PM
ConfusedBlue

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

Waterford I'd say most would also argue, do not really have the quality to compete when the going gets tough. They fell apart when it counted last season, and I'd bet on them doing it again. They haven't picked up a win against any of the top sides this year, and barely managed it last year, when the crunch games come up towards the end of the season, they'll probably be found wanting. Similar comparisons could be made about Shels to an extent, but not to the same level. When the going gets tough, we'll start to show our class, like we did with our ridiculous run coming towards the end of last season. You'd expect Shels to show their superior class towards the end of the season. And with the **** poor crowds they're getting, do not rule out another financial crisis. 3 sponsorship or not.

Waterfords squad last year was arguably a better squad quality wise,big difference this year is that we actually have a manager who has belief in his players being able to actually play some football.This is the first season in I dont know how long that a Blues side has got the ball down and tried to play.
We're going to be there or there about come the end of the season.We haven't lost any ground on teams around us,if we draw every game against the top3 from here on in happy days as it means we're in with a shout of promotion.Injuries could cripple us but the way we're playing at the minute,only a madman would bet against us gaining promotion!!!!!!!!
19/05/2009, 10:26 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

What is your obsession with the fact that I post on another forum too?

None. just taking the p*ss. Relax.
Wasnt a hundred percent sure. Take a chill pill
19/05/2009, 10:32 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by ConfusedBlue

Waterfords squad last year was arguably a better squad quality wise,big difference this year is that we actually have a manager who has belief in his players being able to actually play some football.This is the first season in I dont know how long that a Blues side has got the ball down and tried to play.
We're going to be there or there about come the end of the season.We haven't lost any ground on teams around us,if we draw every game against the top3 from here on in happy days as it means we're in with a shout of promotion.Injuries could cripple us but the way we're playing at the minute,only a madman would bet against us gaining promotion!!!!!!!!

When it comes to yous and Ucd there is a lot to be said for a good manager and good team spirit. It can go a lot further than money can to be fair. There are other reasons yous both might not make it, that have already been mentioned but you have the shels and ourselves a lot more worried than we where at the beginning of the season.
19/05/2009, 11:10 PM
Dick Long

Waterford have just played UCD away and our next two away fixtures are against Fingal and Shels (with Wexford's visit in betwen), so there's a good chance those people who are using the can't-beat-teams-around-them reason will have further ammunition, considering we would probably take two more away draws but our other meetings with Fingal and Shels were in the first and third games of the season with a new manager and half a new squad still getting to know each other.

I think if we can hang in there in the meantime and our admittedly very disappointing crowds (400ish) can improve then the consensus is that the Management Committe will find the funds to add another two or three players come the transfer window and if they come off it might give the Blues the impetus to be right in there at the death. There are lot more out there but even a realistic 50 or so more paying at the gate for starters would make a big difference and hopefully the win against Rovers tonight in the League Cup might be a turning point on that front.
19/05/2009, 11:41 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by Dick Long

our other meetings with Fingal and Shels were in the first and third games of the season with a new manager and half a new squad still getting to know each other.

In fairness while it wasnt a new manager involved with us we had a new team trying to gel also. A more true reflection of all the teams will come in the second phase of games. Also a pretty hard group of games coming up for yous.
19/05/2009, 11:59 PM
corkboy360

Unforunately it will be no fans college coming up :mad: NFCD
20/05/2009, 12:00 AM
Dick Long

It's true the next few games will be tough and chances are that some ground will be lost, but then again - before the visit of UCD at the end of the second phase - there are 7 winnable games to catch it back up again, ON PAPER possibly a bit easier on the whole (with no trips to Limerick, Athlone or far away Harps) than the reverse version which were all won in the 1st phase...

Athlone Town (h)
Longford Town (a)
Finn Harps (h)
Monaghan United (a)
Limerick FC (h)
Mervue United (a)
Kildare County (a)
20/05/2009, 9:10 AM
shep

I think UCD will win it,with a real scramble between Shels Fingal and Waterford for the chance to play the premier losers.

For the last 4 years now the 1st Division its been real competitive and enthralling(and heartbreaking) for the fans involved.Part of me would like to see Shels go up.
20/05/2009, 11:49 AM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by shep

I think UCD will win it,with a real scramble between Shels Fingal and Waterford for the chance to play the premier losers.

For the last 4 years now the 1st Division its been real competitive and enthralling(and heartbreaking) for the fans involved.Part of me would like to see Shels go up.

I think no team deserves a place in the premier but i can understand why you would want shels up. Makes for better games. Bigger crowds and i would think the grudge between clubs and shels would be great so in turn makes for a better match.
20/05/2009, 2:10 PM
RoversHead

Waterford with a bit of luck.Good away trip and a great aul club imo.
20/05/2009, 6:50 PM
cheech

Harps will make the playoff. Mark my words. New manager and new players coming in July. If Harps can pick up points between now and then they may even nick it from Waterford.
20/05/2009, 9:51 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by cheech

Harps will make the playoff. Mark my words. New manager and new players coming in July. If Harps can pick up points between now and then they may even nick it from Waterford.

Kildare will make the playoff. mark my words. new manager and new players coming in july. if kildare pick up points between now and then they may even nick it from waterford...

well he started it
20/05/2009, 10:54 PM
corkharps

20th of May. Resting next to bottom of League. Finn Harps will rise like the pensioner on viagra and finish second to Waterford!:D
20/05/2009, 11:58 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by cheech

Harps will make the playoff. Mark my words. New manager and new players coming in July. If Harps can pick up points between now and then they may even nick it from Waterford.

The play off with the A League team?
21/05/2009, 7:43 AM
Black and White

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Originally Posted by shep

I think UCD will win it,with a real scramble between Shels Fingal and Waterford for the chance to play the premier losers.

For the last 4 years now the 1st Division its been real competitive and enthralling(and heartbreaking) for the fans involved.Part of me would like to see Shels go up.

I would like to see shels go up too, because they would bring a big crowd to Oriel, add to the atmosphere, other 3 clubs wont have much away support, thats why I want teams liek Bray or Galway to go down more than Drogheda, I like the atmosphere at grounds where teams have a good support.
22/05/2009, 9:17 PM
Blue-Army

Our problem is that we have only 16/17 in our squad. We've only had 4 subs on a few occasions this year.
We'll win the league if we can bring in a few players in July... Otherwise, I think we'll just miss out. :(

Some win tonight btw. 4-1 in Fingal!!!
22/05/2009, 10:42 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by Blue-Army

Our problem is that we have only 16/17 in our squad. We've only had 4 subs on a few occasions this year.
We'll win the league if we can bring in a few players in July... Otherwise, I think we'll just miss out. :(

Some win tonight btw. 4-1 in Fingal!!!

Fair play, yous where well worth the 4-1 scoreline no arguments there. Best team i have seen so far this season are waterford. How bad where we tonight? terrible stuff.
23/05/2009, 11:21 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Blue-Army

We'll win the league if we can bring in a few players in July

Can you afford to do that? Would have thought it'd be strange to start out the season with 17 players when you could afford a couple more.
23/05/2009, 12:22 PM
CSFShels

And they certainly haven't had unexpected extra income from gate receipts. Maybe the 3 sponsorship I dunno.
23/05/2009, 1:05 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Fair play, yous where well worth the 4-1 scoreline no arguments there. Best team i have seen so far this season are waterford. How bad where we tonight? terrible stuff.

Surely questions have to be asked about the manager. All you need is a slightly above average to get your players play close to their best, which would be enough to win the league.
23/05/2009, 6:18 PM
blue til i die

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Originally Posted by CSFShels

And they certainly haven't had unexpected extra income from gate receipts. Maybe the 3 sponsorship I dunno.

But maybe our expected gate receipts were really low that we're actually getting more than we had budgeted for..... :cool:
23/05/2009, 7:18 PM
LeixlipRed

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Originally Posted by blue til i die

But maybe our expected gate receipts were really low that we're actually getting more than we had budgeted for..... :cool:

And if you believe that I have a very long list of other assorted lies and tall tales you'll believe too :)
23/05/2009, 7:30 PM
blue til i die

Even with our tight budget atm, i'd still expect at least 1 to come in in July.
23/05/2009, 10:52 PM
CSFShels

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Originally Posted by blue til i die

Even with our tight budget atm, i'd still expect at least 1 to come in in July.

Doubt it'll be anyone notable though. Same with UCD. Fingal and Shels will be signing in some I'd say, last season both sides brought in a good few new players in July, it ruined some good form for Fingal, while it sent us off on a ridiculously good run. Hope the same happens this year. Although Fingal aren't having much form to ruin at the mo.
24/05/2009, 9:01 AM
GlasnevinRed

With the possibilty of Madden going to Bohs and with Meenan gone aswell there's hopefully a chance for a couple of players to come in. We've been struggling a bit lately when it comes to injuries aswell.
24/05/2009, 9:11 AM
DeNiro

Is it one automatic promotion, then runners-up in playoff v 2nd last in prem? If that is the way, I suspect Waterford to win it out and UCD into playoff.
24/05/2009, 9:46 AM
GalwayRed

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Originally Posted by DeNiro

Is it one automatic promotion, then runners-up in playoff v 2nd last in prem? If that is the way, I suspect Waterford to win it out and UCD into playoff.

Winners go up automatically. Then theres a play off between 2nd and 3rd at the home ground of the 2nd placed team. Theres a playoff between the teams 8th and 9th in the premier. 8th is at home for that playoff. Then the winner of the first division play off plays the loser of the premier division play off over a 2 legged match. The winner goes up(usually).
24/05/2009, 9:50 AM
DeNiro

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Originally Posted by GalwayRed

Winners go up automatically. Then theres a play off between 2nd and 3rd at the home ground of the 2nd placed team. Theres a playoff between the teams 8th and 9th in the premier. 8th is at home for that playoff. Then the winner of the first division play off plays the loser of the premier division play off over a 2 legged match. The winner goes up(usually).

Thanks. Heard something like that the other night, but that it was way too compilcated for the FAI to administer!
24/05/2009, 10:12 AM
LeixlipRed

I dunno about the playoff between 8th and 9th in PD. Anyone?
24/05/2009, 10:16 AM
stann

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAI_Lea...ason#Play-Offs
24/05/2009, 12:49 PM
Lamper.sffc

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Surely questions have to be asked about the manager. All you need is a slightly above average to get your players play close to their best, which would be enough to win the league.

I know its the stereotype thing to do after a bad result but yeah question will have to be raised about the managers decisions which baffle me at times. Zayed being played on the left of a so called 3 man attack.:confused: Gaynor was up on his own, he is more suited to the left. The fact we play 4-3-3 with such a narrow pitch at home, Surely it would make more sense to play 4-4-2 and widen the game across the pitch. Spread teams out as much as possible. When we do get crosses in 9 times out of 10 we have only 1 or two in the box because one of our strikers is the one crossing.

While i do believe we would have lost this game anyway the scoreline was helped by the fact we are missing our top 3 defenders. I think any team would be in trouble if they had Maher, Byrne and Paisley missing from their defense.
24/05/2009, 1:29 PM
CSFShels

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

While i do believe we would have lost this game anyway the scoreline was helped by the fact we are missing our top 3 defenders. I think any team would be in trouble if they had Maher, Byrne and Paisley missing from their defense.

Haha none of the rest of us have defenders of that quality in the first place.
24/05/2009, 5:44 PM
stann

Speak for yourselves. :p
24/05/2009, 7:25 PM
Dundalkjames

Waterford United

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