Owen Coyle

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Anyone think that Owen Coyle could be a good manager for the future. Doing great work at Burnley. :)

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I've yet to be convinced. However maybe we should approach him and see if he is interested in the U21 job.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Only NI fans judge their team on relative levels of abysmal failure

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I think not. Most fans of most teams who rarely qualify tend to do this, including the Republic of Ireland (one finals of the last seven) and Scotland (none of the last five). Were it as you claim, there wouldn't be any RoI or Scotland fans claiming that they're better than NI, or other third-rate "failure".

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What I will say is two World Cup last 16 appearances and a quarter final to boot in fairly recent times is a better measure of success than performing slightly better in a qualifying group but still failing by a distance to make the final

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It's a measure of past success. In "fairly recent times" (eight years) you haven't beaten a higher ranked country.

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I've travelled all over the world and people in every country I've been to and worked in are more knowledgeable about Irish players and the Irish football team than they would be about Scottish players or the Scottish international team and that includes my time living in England

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I've also travelled widely around the World. In recent years, your typical Slovene, Italian or German (for example) fan has only a sketchy knowledge of either team (because they tend not to qualify for international tournaments), although they do usually know a bit more about a country that's represented in the Champs League every year, than one with a semi-pro league.

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P.S. I noticed you were very quiet with the rankings postings for the last year or so while ROI were ahead of NI

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NI are ahead because we a) comfortably outpointed you in the last 12-game series, and b) are slightly ahead this time albeit having played a game more.

Of course that might change by October, but why get your knickers in a twist? You're not interested in non-winning mediocrity, remember?

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And one of your cronies had the nerve to say I was predictable? If it wasn't so tragic it would be funny

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Er, you are predictable. You just can't resist digs against Northern Ireland, even when as inane and self-contradicting as above. You can't be surprised when they're challenged.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

It's a measure of past success. In "fairly recent times" (eight years) you haven't beaten a higher ranked country.



I've also travelled widely around the World. In recent years, your typical Slovene, Italian or German (for example) fan has only a sketchy knowledge of either team (because they tend not to qualify for international tournaments), although they do usually know a bit more about a country that's represented in the Champs League every year, than one with a semi-pro league.

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The usual selective facts from Gather Round that bear no relation to the previous posts. No Irish International players play in the LOI so I have no idea why you even mentioned the respective leagues. It bears no relation to the statement I made. Also if you want to bring the Champions League into it a number of current Irish International players have played in at least the semi finals of the Champions League in fairly recent years (Duff, Finnan and JOS). How many Scots have? Nearly all foreign football fans know Robbie Keane. I doubt if most could name more than 2 or 3 Scottish players.

As for foreigners only remembering International tournaments Ireland have been in one in fairly recent times with a number of the current set of players while Scotland haven't so again I ask what's your point? It sounds like you are inadvertently agreeing with me. I'm also a bit sceptical regarding how much you interacted with the locals during your cheap ryanair weekend trips away in Slovenia and Italy as your experiences seem to vastly differ from mine and many of my work colleagues having lived and worked abroad for over 10 years now.

Finally we beat Holland less than 8 years ago but alas I'm not surprised you also got that fact wrong along with many others.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

My "8 minute" sneer was not at Coyle, for I've no doubt he was proud to get them. Rather,it was pointed at those ROI fans who automatically claim Coyle (exclusively) as "one of our own", whilst overlooking the fact that he is at least as Scottish as he is Irish.

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Your "land of 8 minutes" comment regarding the extent of Coyle's Irish identity, certainly reads like one of your typical sneers.
No matter what way I look at it, it reads as a sneer, as if his 8 minutes defines the extent his real connection to Ireland.

You wrote

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unless you don't consider that Owen Coyle is also Scottish, and might just conceivably have a greater affinity to the land of his birth, then "the land of his eight minutes"?

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There is no indication that you were directing the "land of his minutes"
at Ireland fans. Not even in the context of the whole of your reply.
I can only conclude, that either you have a very bizarre writing style where we are suppose to know what you are thinking, or more likely you are backtracking to make an incredible case for cover.

Anybody think that Owen coyle can make it as a top manager. Seems to be doing a great job at Burnley so far.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

The usual selective facts from Gather Round that bear no relation to the previous posts

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Not so. I was answering your posts (completely irrelevant to the subject of the thread, but hey).

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No Irish International players play in the LOI so I have no idea why you even mentioned the respective leagues. It bears no relation to the statement I made

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It directly answered your anecdotal claim that Republic of Ireland football is better known abroad than Scottish- which just doesn't ring true in my anecdotal experience. Fans elsewhere in Europe just aren't that interested in either (or Wales or Northern Ireland's), because over a decent length of time (10-15 years at least) we've all tended not to qualify for tournaments. Ireland's most famous ever footballer, George Best, got a respectful but brief obituary in German football magazine, in contrast to the reams of coverage in all British and Irish media.

Abroad just ain't that interested, you know.

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Also if you want to bring the Champions League into it a number of current Irish International players have played in at least the semi finals of the Champions League in fairly recent years (Duff, Finnan and JOS). How many Scots have?

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One, last week. With due respect to Duff and Finnan, their exploits in the CL haven't added as much to RoI's profile in the competition, as Scotland having a team in the group stages most years has.

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Nearly all foreign football fans know Robbie Keane

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Again, I like Robbie Keane, but steady on. He doesn't play in the CL, and his World Cup appearance was in 2002. And see point about George Best above.

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I doubt if most could name more than 2 or 3 Scottish players

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Your "doubt" isn't based on anything other than being an RoI fan who talks about RoI players when watching RoI abroad, is it? I mean, fair enough, but it's a bit limiting when dismissing other teams?

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As for foreigners only remembering International tournaments Ireland have been in one in fairly recent times with a number of the current set of players while Scotland haven't so again I ask what's your point?

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At risk of repeating myself, it was a long time ago and it wasn't sustained?

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It sounds like you are inadvertently agreeing with me

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No, read more carefully and you'll see I disagree with all your points quoted above. Which I'm only making to answer your digs at NI, of course.

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I'm also a bit sceptical regarding how much you interacted with the locals during your cheap ryanair weekend trips away in Slovenia and Italy as your experiences seem to vastly differ from mine and many of my work colleagues having lived and worked abroad for over 10 years now

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I went by train to both actually (and similarly to the U-21 game in Germany), so met plenty of locals on the journey, as well as in the pub before and after the game.

I'm not claiming that you're dishonest (although I take your point that as we're two anonymous guys on the internet, the whole exchange could be invented). Just that you're really offering nothing more than anecdote to back up your bias.

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Finally we beat Holland less than 8 years ago but alas I'm not surprised you also got that fact wrong along with many others

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Most would agree that 1 September 2001 was eight years ago. And you haven't corrected any other 'factual' errors.

Do better. Or stick to what you know.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

As for his pride in nearly making the senior ROI squad - no doubt that is so. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been equally (or more?) proud to have played for Scotland. But considering that the Jocks had strikers like Ally McCoist, Jukebox Durie and Kevin Gallagher then available to them, for all his goals with lesser clubs, Coyle will never have been in contention (like Tommy Coyne, the man he replaced in Holland?)

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You really think a strike force including Durie, McCoist and Gallagher (and Scott Booth, Darren Jackson and John Spencer made up the numbers in their next finals in the Euro 96 squad) would be more difficult to break into then one containing Aldridge, Cascarino, Quinn, David Kelly and Coyne?

Catch yourself on, I mean seriously.....

Owen Coyle was always up front about his Irish heritage and what it meant to him, I'd argue it would have been easier to break into the Scottish squad myself.

Well done lads for ruining a good thread about Owen Coyle

Looks to be an evenly enough matched play off final according to the bookies.
Burnley 9/5
SU 6/4

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

You really think a strike force including Durie, McCoist and Gallagher (and Scott Booth, Darren Jackson and John Spencer made up the numbers in their next finals in the Euro 96 squad) would be more difficult to break into then one containing Aldridge, Cascarino, Quinn, David Kelly and Coyne?

Catch yourself on, I mean seriously.....

Owen Coyle was always up front about his Irish heritage and what it meant to him, I'd argue it would have been easier to break into the Scottish squad myself.

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I didn't claim that it was easier for Coyle to get a full ROI cap than a Scotland one. I merely pointed out that realistically, he wasn't ever close to getting a full Scotland cap, which might partly have explained his "choice" of ROI. That's all.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Well done lads for ruining a good thread about Owen Coyle

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Oh get off your high horse. There is nothing stopping anyone from making non-partisan posts if they like (see e.g. my own posts #8 and #23, for instance).

As for the more "controversial" posts to which you seem to take exception, these seem to have been provoked by my making the (surely tenable) point that it may be presumptious to assume that if Coyle continues to develop as a manager, he would be tempted to manage ROI one day.

If nothing else, he may well be equally/more tempted by the Scotland job, if he's tempted by international management at all - a debateable enough notion, when you look at others like David Moyse or Martin O'Neill, who could have walked into a job with Scotland/ROI/NI any time they liked.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I didn't claim that it was easier for Coyle to get a full ROI cap than a Scotland one. I merely pointed out that realistically, he wasn't ever close to getting a full Scotland cap, which might partly have explained his "choice" of ROI. That's all.

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More tosh,
as pointed out earlier you know féck all about Coyle.
Donegal parents, 7 siblings, grew up in Donegal lite in the Gorbals. He was wanted by Scotland but chose Ireland. He chose Ireland without hesitation according to the man himself. Both choices were on the table at the same time.
His first game was for Ireland V Scotland in the u21s.

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Originally Posted by geysir

More tosh,
as pointed out earlier you know féck all about Coyle.
Donegal parents, 7 siblings, grew up in Donegal lite in the Gorbals. He was wanted by Scotland but chose Ireland. He chose Ireland without hesitation according to the man himself. Both choices were on the table at the same time.
His first game was for Ireland V Scotland in the u21s.

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Shock horror, EG is shown to know nothing about a topic he posts authoritively on while at the same time attempting to get a sly dig in at the ROI football team.

FIFA elligibility rules, Darron Gibson, FIFA's stance on the NI and ROI player situation - how many times do his wild accusations have to be shown to be the rubbish they are before he ultimately has to accept he was wrong?

If you're looking to make wild, unsubstaniated, NI worshipping, chip on the shoulder posts you have the wrong site. I think it's this link you're looking for:

www.ourweecountry.co.uk.

I suppose i should wait until after the play off final but if Burnley loose will they be able to keep a hold of Owen Coyle.

To me himself and Alan Irvine are the two outstanding managers in the championship this year.

I suppose premiership clubs like exotic foreign managers but some of them might be better looking close to home.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

I suppose premiership clubs like exotic foreign managers but some of them might be better looking close to home

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16 of the 20 already have, surely? Only Benitez, Hiddink (or Ancelotti?), Wenger and Zola are "exotic" managers (ie further from home than Coyle).

Agreed Irvine has also done a good job this term.

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Originally Posted by geysir

More tosh,
as pointed out earlier you know féck all about Coyle.
Donegal parents, 7 siblings, grew up in Donegal lite in the Gorbals. He was wanted by Scotland but chose Ireland. He chose Ireland without hesitation according to the man himself. Both choices were on the table at the same time.
His first game was for Ireland V Scotland in the u21s.

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Nice quote from him about that very game here from earlier this year when they played Arsenal....

"As a player I was always in awe of Liam Brady - not just for his sweet left foot, but as a man," he said. "I always remember meeting him when I won my first Under-21 cap for the Republic of Ireland against Scotland. We won 1-0, Mark Lawrenson scored, but it was just as memorable because I got to meet the great Liam Brady."

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Originally Posted by geysir

More tosh,

Donegal parents, 7 siblings, grew up in Donegal lite in the Gorbals.

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First generation? Seven siblings? Grew up in an "Irish" area of Britain?

Sounds very much to me like the Gallens of Shepherds Bush. And as we know, all of them chose to represent ROI.

Except the most talented of them, Kevin, who perhaps considering himself good enough to go all the way in international football, chose the country of his birth.

Besides, you still haven't addressed my point about playing international football being different from playing it. Do you know that Coyle has ambitions re the latter?

For as I said earlier, when capable and ambitious managers are offered a choice between a decent club and a decent national team, the former is increasingly winning out - even where the candidate has a natural affinity with the country in question (eg Hughes, McLeish, Sanchez etc)

Unless, of course, the international job is so "big" as to be irresistable - eg Martin O'Neill applying for the England post. Maybe it was O'Neill's "Britishness" :rolleyes: which caused him never to show any interest in either the NI or ROI positions...

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Has the potential to become a great manager, but I can't see him managing ROI, tbh.

For one thing, international management is no longer the pinnacle of a manager's career - see, for example, how Mark Hughes, Walter Smith/Alec McLeish, even Lawrie Sanchez were notably successful with Wales/Scot/NI, before joining clubs which could hardly be described as huge. Therefore if Coyle can manage in the Premiership, either with Burnley or someone else, why would he want to move? David Moyes, for example, could have had the Scotland job had he wanted it, but has never shown any interest.

Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI.

Of course, the sort of money Trapattoni is on would likely tempt him, but Coyle is hardly a big enough "name" for some Sugar Daddy to offer him a package comparable to Trap's. And let's be honest, Trap wouldn't have accepted the ROI job when he was an up-and-coming manager around Coyle's age, either.

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EG, you really are a bitter person....can't resist digs at ROI. sad, narrow minded t wat

I just do not see the point of somebody being a member of a forum of their rival I would never join an English forum or a Shamrock Rovers forum. Especially when it leads to threads like these being hi-jacked and ruined.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Originally Posted by EalingGreen:
"Speaking of which, even if Coyle did fancy a spell managing an international team as a "stepping stone", I'd imagine he and Scotland would appeal more to each other than he and ROI"



Yeah, you're right, why would be attracted to managing Scotland? After all, he was only born and brought up there. And played for 12 Scottish clubs. And managed two Scottish clubs before moving to England.

Much more likely that he'd prefer ROI, on the basis of a seven minute appearance as substitute for the ROI in a friendly in Tillberg, at the age of 28, following the FAI's exhumation/discovery of his Irish Granny (or whatever). The fact that he was never remotely good enough to play for Scotland obviously had nothing to do with it...;)

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I notice what appears to be some mocking of Irland exploiting the "granny rule"....are you trying to tell us that all NI's internationals were born and reared there?

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Originally Posted by geysir

Not at all, you were politely brought to task, based on the content of your post, the usual chip laden sarcastic post with opinion based on knowing nothing.

:D
Who can forget that,
I have been presuming to lecture you on Dual Nationality for about 2 years now and with good reason :rolleyes:


There you go again with the 8 minutes.
The country to which he aligned himself in football matters to, is Ireland. He still plays for Ireland. It is an accurate comment to make, that Ireland is his country when it comes to football matters. His nationality is Irish, he holds an Irish passport and is very proud that he came close enough to getting on the WC squad. Doesn't mean that his "Scottishness" is wiped out.

For a dual national yourself you have very little appreciation of the national sentiments of a Dual National and easily sneer at this man's Irishness, a sneer based on "he only played for 8 minutes" while ignoring all the other elements in his life, in Scottish society where Irishness has been engrained for generations.


It's just a significantly irrelevant opinion and probably more appropriate for the playground - a place you probably would feel more at home.

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Geysir, you're wasting your time...the likes of EG never take the views of others on board....try to impose their views against the will of others

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I just do not see the point of somebody being a member of a forum of their rival

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Variously- this is a good forum generally, with regular topical threads about NI football. You could equally ask the Mods why there's an Irish League section?

Unfortunately, the topical threads do sometimes attract witless sh*t-stirring about the NI team and its supporters. You can hardly be surprised when this is answered.

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I would never join an English forum or a Shamrock Rovers forum. Especially when it leads to threads like these being hi-jacked and ruined

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Come on, lighten up. It's just gone off at a tangent. Plenty of threads do this- although I realise the mods on here police it more than on other sites.

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Originally Posted by Gather round

Not so. I was answering your posts (completely irrelevant to the subject of the thread, but hey).



It directly answered your anecdotal claim that Republic of Ireland football is better known abroad than Scottish- which just doesn't ring true in my anecdotal experience. Fans elsewhere in Europe just aren't that interested in either (or Wales or Northern Ireland's), because over a decent length of time (10-15 years at least) we've all tended not to qualify for tournaments. Ireland's most famous ever footballer, George Best, got a respectful but brief obituary in German football magazine, in contrast to the reams of coverage in all British and Irish media.

Abroad just ain't that interested, you know.



One, last week. With due respect to Duff and Finnan, their exploits in the CL haven't added as much to RoI's profile in the competition, as Scotland having a team in the group stages most years has.



Again, I like Robbie Keane, but steady on. He doesn't play in the CL, and his World Cup appearance was in 2002. And see point about George Best above.



Your "doubt" isn't based on anything other than being an RoI fan who talks about RoI players when watching RoI abroad, is it? I mean, fair enough, but it's a bit limiting when dismissing other teams?



At risk of repeating myself, it was a long time ago and it wasn't sustained?



No, read more carefully and you'll see I disagree with all your points quoted above. Which I'm only making to answer your digs at NI, of course.



I went by train to both actually (and similarly to the U-21 game in Germany), so met plenty of locals on the journey, as well as in the pub before and after the game.

I'm not claiming that you're dishonest (although I take your point that as we're two anonymous guys on the internet, the whole exchange could be invented). Just that you're really offering nothing more than anecdote to back up your bias.



Most would agree that 1 September 2001 was eight years ago. And you haven't corrected any other 'factual' errors.

Do better. Or stick to what you know.

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I, for one do not agree that 8 Sept 2001 was eight years ago

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

First generation? Seven siblings? Grew up in an "Irish" area of Britain?

Sounds very much to me like the Gallens of Shepherds Bush. And as we know, all of them chose to represent ROI.

Except the most talented of them, Kevin, who perhaps considering himself good enough to go all the way in international football, chose the country of his birth.

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Gallen was told to declare for England by his manager at the time (think it was Gerry Francis, but I'm not sure) on the basis that the club would be able to sell him for more money

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Gallen was told to declare for England by his manager at the time (think it was Gerry Francis, but I'm not sure) on the basis that the club would be able to sell him for more money

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Look, don't let facts get in the way of a slanging match!

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

EG, you really are a bitter person....can't resist digs at ROI. sad, narrow minded t wat

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How was what I posted "having a dig" at the ROI?

Having followed football closely for decades now, including having met my share of footballers and managers etc, I have come to appreciate that things aren't always what they seem in the game.

One aspect of this is that international football, which most of us fans would give our right arm to play (even for 8 minutes!), does not necessarily hold the same allure for professionals, as we might think. Indeed, as footballers earn ever more money from their clubs, the significance of international football for some becomes correspondingly diminished (do the names "Stephen Ireland" or "Roy Carroll" ring any bells, to take two examples close to home?).

And this trend is becoming increasingly pronounced when it comes to international management (imo). For whilst there is no doubt that 20 or 30 years ago, this was seen as the pinnacle of football for any manager, that is no longer the case (imo).

Which, to get back to the subject of Owen Coyle, is why when others saw how well he was doing and started imagining him in the ROI role, I was of the opinion that they have been being premature and presumptious, that's all.

But hey, if you want to ascribe every other malign motive to me, irrespective of what I am actually posting, go ahead, knock yourself out. If nothing else, it might hide the embarrassment of some of the ill-thought out tripe which you post...

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Gallen was told to declare for England by his manager at the time (think it was Gerry Francis, but I'm not sure) on the basis that the club would be able to sell him for more money

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I'm well aware that QPR pushed him in that direction, but he could still have resisted.

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Unfortunately, the topical threads do sometimes attract witless sh*t-stirring about the NI team and its supporters. You can hardly be surprised when this is answered.


This is the point its an Republic of Ireland, we should be able to **** stir about our rival esp in the National Team forum. That is what I said before, We should not be PC about it. I would not expect a Shamrock Rovers website to be polite about Bohs. I just do not see why someone would want to defend their team on a rivals website.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I just do not see the point of somebody being a member of a forum of their rival I would never join an English forum or a Shamrock Rovers forum. Especially when it leads to threads like these being hi-jacked and ruined.

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This is one of two football forums I browse and contribute to (more than once in a Blue Moon, at any rate).

That is because it covers areas of football which particularly interest me (Irish, international, Irish League etc), generally has a good level of debate, and is well-moderated. Therefore so long as I stay within the Rules, I am as entitled to post as much as you or anyone else.

Speaking of which, when you bitch about this thread being "ruined" or "hi-jacked" etc, are you referring to my posts? For when someone opens a thread about an ex-ROI international player who is making a name for himself as a club manager, and wonders whether he might one day not make a good ROI manager, was it not entirely relevant for me to question whether he might want to manage ROI?

Considering I gave reasons and examples to back up my initial thesis (whether you agree with them or not), it clearly was a pertinent question for me to ask.

Of course, when "the usual suspects" then chose that as their cue to make childish anti-NI digs at me (and Gather Round, when he weighed in), then I ought to have risen above that, but no matter, the Mods took action to delete the offending posts, which was fine by me.

So there you have it, Mr McD, do you have any substantive comment to add to this thread over which you grieve so earnestly? For example, do you think Coyle might one day be interested in applying for the ROI job, or accept that he might possibly consider he has "bigger fish to fry"?

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

This is one of two football forums I browse and contribute to (more than once in a Blue Moon, at any rate).

That is because it covers areas of football which particularly interest me (Irish, international, Irish League etc), generally has a good level of debate, and is well-moderated. Therefore so long as I stay within the Rules, I am as entitled to post as much as you or anyone else.

Speaking of which, when you bitch about this thread being "ruined" or "hi-jacked" etc, are you referring to my posts? For when someone opens a thread about an ex-ROI international player who is making a name for himself as a club manager, and wonders whether he might one day not make a good ROI manager, was it not entirely relevant for me to question whether he might want to manage ROI?

Considering I gave reasons and examples to back up my initial thesis (whether you agree with them or not), it clearly was a pertinent question for me to ask.

Of course, when "the usual suspects" then chose that as their cue to make childish anti-NI digs at me (and Gather Round, when he weighed in), then I ought to have risen above that, but no matter, the Mods took action to delete the offending posts, which was fine by me.

So there you have it, Mr McD, do you have any substantive comment to add to this thread over which you grieve so earnestly? For example, do you think Coyle might one day be interested in applying for the ROI job, or accept that he might possibly consider he has "bigger fish to fry"?

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I was not specifially referring to your posts but you seemed to think I was. I was referring to them all and to be honest I am as bad as you now as I am joining in this debate.


Anyway I think Owen Coyle is doing a good job as manager of Burnley and he seems to like progressive football which is attractive to watch and he is doing it on a tight budget. He seems to bringing out the best in a young group of players. I think its fair enough for our supports to wonder and dream out loud and hope that one day he becomes a top manager or a manager who is interested in managing the country he played for.

Unfortunately this last bit then gets side tracked into an issue about nationality and cultural heritage etc and gets away from the facts that Owen Coyle is doing a good job and some Irish fans would like to see him as manager of our team one day. The good thing about forums is that you can have a forum for collective dreaming. As I said I am sure on a Rovers forum they are shouting from the rooftops about Saturdays Result anad game and fair play to them. I am not about to go now and try to pour cold water on their celebrations and offer some sort of cold light of day analysis of the game for them.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Unfortunately, the topical threads do sometimes attract witless sh*t-stirring about the NI team and its supporters. You can hardly be surprised when this is answered.


This is the point its an Republic of Ireland, we should be able to **** stir about our rival esp in the National Team forum. That is what I said before, We should not be PC about it. I would not expect a Shamrock Rovers website to be polite about Bohs. I just do not see why someone would want to defend their team on a rivals website.

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It's not true anyway. EG only gets slagged when he comes on passing his snide comments about the ROI team and posting links to rankings when (and only when) NI are above the ROI as he did at the beginning of this thread when he and not anybody else initially 'hijacked' the topic. When NI are not above the ROI in the rankings I've noticed he tends to be very quiet.

I personally couldn't care less about the NI team and only bring them up when EG does one of the above as do most of the **** stirrers (described as such by Gather round).

It's the old NI hardliners us against the world attitude. What Gr fails to see is that EG is the biggest **** stirrer on these boards. He only posts negative comments and put downs about our team, I can't remember anything positive in all his posts.

You only have to have a glance at ourweecountry.co.uk to see how obsessed they are about the ROI team. I doubt anyone here would mention NI if EG disappeared.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I just do not see why someone would want to defend their team on a rivals website.

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Except that the NI/ROI case is not like that of eg Shams and Bohs.

For one thing, Shams don't want to "take over" the Bohs, nor do they wish to "poach" Bohs' players from under their nose.

Sure, I'm touchy when it comes to defending my team. But tbh, there's not a hell of a sight to be gained by my defending them on an NI forum, where everyone else is pretty much agreed.

Far better, imo, to try to disabuse the fans of the team which threatens us, to one degree or another, of some of the misconceptions and myths which some of them (ROI fans) seem to hold about us.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Except that the NI/ROI case is not like that of eg Shams and Bohs.

For one thing, Shams don't want to "take over" the Bohs, nor do they wish to "poach" Bohs' players from under their nose.

Sure, I'm touchy when it comes to defending my team. But tbh, there's not a hell of a sight to be gained by my defending them on an NI forum, where everyone else is pretty much agreed.

Far better, imo, to try to disabuse the fans of the team which threatens us, to one degree or another, of some of the misconceptions and myths which some of them (ROI fans) seem to hold about us.

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Thats like a Zyonist going on to a Palesinian website trying to change their views. If you are so touchy do not go on to a rival website simple as that. It wont be good for your health. If I was Jewish I would not start posting on New Nazi forums trying to defend my race.

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Thats like a Zyonist going on to a Palesinian website trying to change their views. If you are so touchy do not go on to a rival website simple as that. It wont be good for your health. If I was Jewish I would not start posting on New Nazi forums trying to defend my race.

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Er, I do not consider myself to be the NI equivalent of a "Zionist", nor this to be a forum for the "Neo-Nazi" wing of the ROI fanbase.
And my health is quite fine, thank you very much.

As for "changing peoples views", from those people who are kind enough to have pressed the "Thanks" button, I would hope that at least some posters appreciate my posts from time to time.

I know I have certainly learned a lot from very many of the posters on here, in turn.

Anyhow, should you have any interest in international football etc, rather than advising that you should eg not go near OWC, on the contrary, my view is "the more the merrier" - it makes for lively debate.

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For one thing, Shams don't want to "take over" the Bohs, nor do they wish to "poach" Bohs' players from under their nose.

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We've a panzer division waiting on the border ready to go on command. Once it crosses you will all be forcibly baptised to the true faith and made sing Amhrán na bhFiann at the top of your voices in Gaelic until you can recite it word for word.

Replace poach with "allow their citizens born in the six counties to play for them" and you've something closer to the truth.

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I doubt anyone here would mention NI if EG disappeared.

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Oh I dunno - SkStu even started a thread entitled "Northern Ireland".

Or was that why he was suspended? ;)

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Er, I do not consider myself to be the NI equivalent of a "Zionist", nor this to be a forum for the "Neo-Nazi" wing of the ROI fanbase.
And my health is quite fine, thank you very much.

As for "changing peoples views", from those people who are kind enough to have pressed the "Thanks" button, I would hope that at least some posters appreciate my posts from time to time.

I know I have certainly learned a lot from very many of the posters on here, in turn.

Anyhow, should you have any interest in international football etc, rather than advising that you should eg not go near OWC, on the contrary, my view is "the more the merrier" - it makes for lively debate.

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No thanks I spend enough time posting on my own teams forum never mind going near anybody elses. Anyway my last post on the matter. I really hope that Owen Coyles continues to progress as a manager and if he applies for the job and is the best man for it I hope gets to manage the country he played for as a player.

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Oh I dunno - SkStu even started a thread entitled "Northern Ireland".

Or was that why he was suspended? ;)

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Hopefully it was. I've been suspended for less.

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Replace poach with "allow their citizens born in the six counties to play for them" and you've something closer to the truth.

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Your "allow" is my "poach".

Which I always thought was what this type of forum was all about. For I, for one, see little point in contributing to a "debate" [sic] which never gets any further than everyone agreeing how great they all are...

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Your "allow" is my "poach".

Which I always thought was what this type of forum was all about. For I, for one, see little point in contributing to a "debate" [sic] which never gets any further than everyone agreeing how great they all are...

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I agree, however, a little impartiality every now and then doesn't go amiss instead of the NI against the ROI attitude that prevails in many of your posts imo.