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05/05/2009, 2:29 PM
Dodge

Lets hope so...
05/05/2009, 2:36 PM
crc

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Whilst Derry were having an annus horriblis in 2006 having just replaced the rat with the drunk, even on top form they would've struggled as it was 47 degrees at kick off.

It was actually 2007; 2006 was our glory year in Europe (as well as winning both cups, and being runners-up in the league on goal difference to a club that was relegated a couple of months later :mad: )
05/05/2009, 3:05 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by crc

It was actually 2007; 2006 was our glory year in Europe (as well as winning both cups, and being runners-up in the league on goal difference to a club that was relegated a couple of months later :mad: )

Thanks. I've obviously tried to eradicate the whole season from my mind!

Here's hoping regionalisation continues.

To answer a question above, the regions are relatively fluid as there needs to be an equal number of seeded and unseeded teams in each region. Assuming regionalisation, there's a strong possibility Derry and Sligo can draw someone from
Norn Ireland
Wales
Estonia
Faroes
Luxembourg
and possibly San Marino / Andorra if Rosenborg get a Fair Play place.

Working out who Pats could face will be very unclear until after QR1.
05/05/2009, 3:54 PM
Mr A

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Here's hoping regionalisation continues.

Jeez, I thought most Derry fans felt partition was a bad idea. ;)
05/05/2009, 3:57 PM
sligoman

Article 4
Duties of the clubs
4.01 On entering the competition, participating clubs agree:

d) to field their strongest team throughout the competition;
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Bit daft that one? Who decides what is their strongest team like, the manager obviously, not uefa:confused:
05/05/2009, 4:24 PM
OneRedArmy

It's hard to enforce alright. Some of the English clubs have certainly breached the spirit of it over the last few years in the UEFA Cup.
05/05/2009, 4:39 PM
Dodge

Its just a cover in case of any suspected betting scandals. UEFA can point to this rule if its needed.

Its obviously not going to be too strictly enforced
05/05/2009, 4:46 PM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr A

Jeez, I thought most Derry fans felt partition was a bad idea. ;)

We'd always be a separate region in the North-west - even under reunification.

Just ask the Corkies.... :D
05/05/2009, 4:51 PM
ps bohs

Quote:

Originally Posted by placid casual

If bohs get thrown out of the league before the euorpean football kicks off again, will Derry be in the Champions League ?

maybe you should have a look at the League cup thread this seems a bit too complicated for you ,you might get a pain in your head
05/05/2009, 9:35 PM
holidaysong

I see team co-efficients are to be determined by how far you get in the competition, plus the added 20% from the association co-efficient (as we knew).

However, association co-efficients will still be determined by results in individual matches which is interesting. It'll make the task of calculating co-efficients more complicated anyway.
07/05/2009, 1:28 PM
holidaysong

Because the title holder spot in the Champions League won't be used (Man Utd and Barcelona have already qualified for the group stage next season), the Champions of the Faroe Islands and Luxembourg will now be put through to the 2nd qualifying round of the CL. This means that Bohemians might yet be seeded if the Champions of Slovenia and Georgia don't have their own club co-efficient points.
07/05/2009, 11:23 PM
DaveyCakes

Both the Georgian and Slovenian leagues have 1st v 2nd games this weekend that could go a long way to deciding the titles. Maribor v Celije and Dinamo Tbilisi v WIT Tbilisi.

Wins for Maribor and WIT would almost guarantee them the titles. Maribor have a higher coefficient than Bohs, WITs is lower (I think).
08/05/2009, 12:27 AM
MariborKev

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

Wins for Maribor and WIT would almost guarantee them the titles. Maribor have a higher coefficient than Bohs, WITs is lower (I think).

I'll do me best:D
08/05/2009, 1:22 PM
DaveyCakes

The BBC is claiming that Scotland, Norway, and Denmark have got the 3 fair play spots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/8039270.stm
08/05/2009, 1:27 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

The BBC is claiming that Scotland, Norway, and Denmark have got the 3 fair play spots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/8039270.stm

They usually do. Unlucky for Sligo as all 3 will now be seeded in our region (if it is regionalised)
08/05/2009, 1:35 PM
srfc1928

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

They usually do. Unlucky for Sligo as all 3 will now be seeded in our region (if it is regionalised)

Does that mean we will be squeezed out of the seeded teams ?
08/05/2009, 1:37 PM
peadar1987

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveyCakes

The BBC is claiming that Scotland, Norway, and Denmark have got the 3 fair play spots

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/8039270.stm

Surely the fair play spots have a lot to do with the strictness of the refereeing in the countries in question. I can't think of a better system, but it seems a little strange that the fair play place could conceivably just go to the country whose refs let more bad tackles go unpunished.
08/05/2009, 1:38 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by srfc1928

Does that mean we will be squeezed out of the seeded teams ?

possibly, although at first glance you're OK

Quote:

Originally Posted by peadar1987

Surely the fair play spots have a lot to do with the strictness of the refereeing in the countries in question. I can't think of a better system, but it seems a little strange that the fair play place could conceivably just go to the country whose refs let more bad tackles go unpunished.

its to do with their record in international and european competitions more (including things like fan behavious etc etc)
08/05/2009, 1:43 PM
pineapple stu

Fan behaviour, attacking play, respect of the club officials, bookings (maybe 15% of the total) and some other factor.

Load of nonsense unless UCD are winning it.
08/05/2009, 2:15 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by srfc1928

Does that mean we will be squeezed out of the seeded teams ?

Just looked again there, and you're definitely safe.
08/05/2009, 2:21 PM
srfc1928

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

Just looked again there, and you're definitely safe.

Thanks for that, Dodge
08/05/2009, 2:31 PM
peadar1987

Quote:

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Fan behaviour, attacking play, respect of the club officials, bookings (maybe 15% of the total) and some other factor.

Load of nonsense unless UCD are winning it.

It says on the linked thread that the league earns a place based on the amount of cards in the domestic league and international games, and then that the Scottish league award it to a team based on the factors you listed. That's the way I interpreted it anyway.
08/05/2009, 2:36 PM
Dodge

Quote:

Originally Posted by peadar1987

It says on the linked thread that the league earns a place based on the amount of cards in the domestic league and international games, and then that the Scottish league award it to a team based on the factors you listed. That's the way I interpreted it anyway.

If you look at the intermediate leageu tabel uefa produced in january, they list a number of games after each country. These are the international, and european club games involved

http://www.uefa.com//MultimediaFiles...0_DOWNLOAD.pdf

http://en.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/ki...id=795065.html

Domestic discipline is not a factor in the UEFA rankings, only in the individual countries' rankings
08/05/2009, 3:00 PM
peadar1987

Alright then, my mistake
08/05/2009, 3:21 PM
Rovers1

When is the draw for the 1st round?... ive hear 22nd June being mentioned:confused:
08/05/2009, 3:34 PM
Danny

draw for 1st & 2nd round is on 22nd June

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...endar2009.html
08/05/2009, 5:28 PM
OneRedArmy

Ties to be played the following Thurs and the week after that (2nd & 9th July).

Not exactly fan friendly.
08/05/2009, 6:35 PM
srfc1928

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Not exactly fan friendly.

Not at all.

Hopefully the draw will be regionalised so we wont have to travel to somewhere like kazakhstan with a few days notice.
Does anyone know when will the decision be made regarding regionalisation ?
08/05/2009, 7:49 PM
irishultra

if bohs get past the first round in champions league and get knocked out in second round i think they go into the Europa. i might be wrong about that so can somebody confirm it?
I seriously wouldn't rule out Bohs this season. I just feel if Fenlon can get the tactics spot on then the rock solid defence could see bohs make the europa group stages. i wonder what the odds of it would be. however i think if they get knocked out in second round of CL they wouldn't be seeded in the europa cup 4th round qualifier.
08/05/2009, 8:09 PM
HarpoJoyce

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishultra

if bohs get past the first round in champions league and get knocked out in second round i think they go into the Europa. i might be wrong about that so can somebody confirm it?
......

Your instincts are right. It's confirmed on Post #30, text plus a link.
09/05/2009, 10:40 AM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by srfc1928

Does anyone know when will the decision be made regarding regionalisation ?

I thought UEFA had already confirmed that it won't be regionalised?

Bert has it on his site that it won't be anyway:

Quote:

In the Europa League qualifying rounds the teams will be no longer be divided into regional groups (as used previously in the UEFA Cup).

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...eedel2009.html

Quote:

The old regulation said the UEFA administration could form groups based on economic interests of the participating clubs or based on regional criteria.

The new regulation just say that the UEFA administration may form groups. No explicit mentioning of regions. Strictly speaking it's not forbidden, but highly unlikely.

http://kassiesa.com/uefaforum/view.p...0505145207.xml
09/05/2009, 10:43 AM
Dodge

There's nothing been confirmed eeither way. The regulations certainly allow for it to be regionalised

Oh and Bohs must get to third qualifying round in CL to get to Europa League (if they lose)
09/05/2009, 11:06 AM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishultra

if bohs get past the first round in champions league and get knocked out in second round i think they go into the Europa. i might be wrong about that so can somebody confirm it?

Bohs enter at the 2nd QR. They need to get through this round to make sure they get into the EL - EL 4th QR if knocked out in the CL 3rd QR, or the EL group stage if knocked out in CL 4th QR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

Oh and Bohs must get to third qualifying round in CL to get to Europa League (if they lose)
09/05/2009, 11:08 AM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

There's nothing been confirmed eeither way. The regulations certainly allow for it to be regionalised

Thanks Dodge, I thought it had been confirmed. Anyway, I wouldn't read much into them leaving the regulation there. The same regulation is in the CL rules allowing them to regionalise that if they want.
10/05/2009, 1:46 PM
holidaysong

Quote:

Originally Posted by holidaysong

This means that Bohemians might yet be seeded if the Champions of Slovenia and Georgia don't have their own club co-efficient points.

Slovenian champions NK Maribor will be seeded in the QR2 draw so Bohs are definitely going to be unseeded.
11/05/2009, 10:19 AM
Raheny Red

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishultra

if bohs get past the first round in champions league and get knocked out in second round i think they go into the Europa. i might be wrong about that so can somebody confirm it?
I seriously wouldn't rule out Bohs this season. I just feel if Fenlon can get the tactics spot on then the rock solid defence could see bohs make the europa group stages. i wonder what the odds of it would be. however i think if they get knocked out in second round of CL they wouldn't be seeded in the europa cup 4th round qualifier.

He'll play a 4-5-1 formation with Jayo Bryne out on the right.
11/05/2009, 10:27 AM
dcfcsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishultra

I just feel if Fenlon can get the tactics spot on then the rock solid defence could see bohs make the europa group stages.

Which "rock solid" defence is that - the one that shipped 2 goals in 2 mins on Friday night, or the one that let in 3 goals in the same game overall.....? :confused:
11/05/2009, 10:50 AM
Dodge

But aren't you the best team ever steve? Surely every team wouldn't have the same firepower as you? Or are you saying that you only scored those goals due to Bohs defence being universally cack?
11/05/2009, 11:58 AM
OneRedArmy

Any chance we could limit the trolling on this thread to the Europa League?

Can start a separate CL thread for Bohs related trolls.
11/05/2009, 1:23 PM
NavanBohs

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Which "rock solid" defence is that - the one that shipped 2 goals in 2 mins on Friday night, or the one that let in 3 goals in the same game overall.....? :confused:

That one yep, the one that conceded 2 goals in the season's previous 10 league games...

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