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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
the league is on its knees now anyway, in over 20 years following it, i cant see how its ever been in a worse mess - but it doesnt need any certain club
As I said in a years time, nobody will give a f*** about cork folding
Just like no-one laments the loss of Belfast Celtic still, even after 61 years, and just like the Irish league have never tried to get Derry City back, yeah....? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
To be honest, the league was in a worse state in the early-to-mid 1980's in my view. Crowds were abismal - much worse than now, even at supposedly big clubs like Bohs and Pats, clubs were still falling out of the league all the time, grounds were even ****tier than they are now, 2/3 big clubs were actually homeless, our sponsorhsip by a Fried Chicken magnate made us a laughing stock, and a home draw in a European preliminary round fixture was akin to winning the world cup.
In fact - since the league was founded in 1922, there hasn't been a period of more than 3 seasons in a row EVER when the league didn't see some sort of flux in teams (joining, dropping out, changing name etc).
It's obvious we won't agree on this, and it's sad to say that the only way you can be proven wrong is if Cork do go out of business. The fact that so many Cork clubs have sprung up to replace defunct ones shows that having a club from the Republic's second city is considered important by at least Corkonians and the FAI/other clubs. And I suspect a new one would appear within a season or two if Cork City did go.
geograpical spread will be fine, all fans welcome down here in cobh (yes were still here), we might be in the A league but we dont plan staying here for long,
how is it that city got a premier licence while oweing so much to the taxman, we owe E160K, and couldnt get our licence on this basis, so i have to ask how the f*** city got one,
i honestly dont know if this is true, but if it is im not surprised, the whole of cobh know coughlan is a pure ganster, he turned one of the most succesfull nightclubs in east cork into a hotel (mind you it was a hotel nightclub but he shut the nightclub),
when he took over city he moved there offices to the hotel, and he charges city rent for it, he moved the club shop to his own building in the city and also charges rent,
how this man was given the club astounds me every time i think about it,
any kind of official word on this anyway
while it is bad news that cork find themselves in trouble again, you cant pay 35,000 a week in wages pre examanership and then pay 32,000 post examanership. all that **** about coughlin putting in an assurity of 500,000 was spoof. he bought the club for one euro. cork need to quit, pull out this year and come back with Cork FC next year and will be viable just as long as they dont pay out silly money. not gloating but cork and ourselves are very similar. we both borrow grounds, we both have cities with huge sporting backrounds, corks spend per week is 32,000, limericks would be close to 2,000.as long as we dont own our own ground and dont have to pay out for expensive training facilities and grounds we will not be paying the silly money
We need to raise €500,000 in about 2 weeks in simple terms. Things look bleak at the moment for Cork City fc :(
Is it a foreone conclusion?
And those of you dancing on Cork City's grave could very well be in the same situation in the next couple of years. Very sorry for the Cork lads if its true. Hope another club gets going there soon.
Lets all laugh at ManU or Liverpool hopefully imploding, not one of our own.
Oh well.
Not like the rest of us are going on to bigger and better things anyway.
Makes the FAI stewardship of this league even more of a joke though
I *hope* that I speak for most LOI fans when I say that I hope CCFC don't go out of business. The league needs a team in Cork, full stop. And all this gloating turns my stomach. There but for the grace.............
To be honest the fans now are going to have to take things into our own hands and save CCFC if we want to sustain a professional club in Cork. It can be done,just look at Drogheda and Shamrock rovers.
When he was given control of the club, he obviously had to put a business plan together, ,which must have included the payment of the taxbill of 400k. Otherwise WHY was he allowed to con the fans and creditors that he was capable of trading out of trouble?????? The position of the examiner must be questioned here!Quote:
Originally Posted by joey4ireland
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Originally Posted by sheao
no chance with the professional set up lads, go back to semi pro and pay small money for players, get rid of anyone asking for big money. are rovers professional? drogs have assembled a a lot of first division players and are bottom. but in the first UCD are running with the cut your cloth and look at them
Has all of this tax bill been run up since Coughlan took over? If mustn't have paid any tax if it has. He seems to be a complete chancer though so if Cork do survive this, getting rid of him would be a positive. It's hard to see how that sum could be raised though. You have to wonder why he wanted to take over if he couldn't afford the money he was spending.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunny Jim
The way foward could be taking 2 steps back going part time. Rovers are still part time as far as i know.The debt at City is massive with Alan Mathews owed money from last season. Coughlan has never made things better to be honest from the Arkaga era.Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Those 2 clubs had the benefit of administration. Cork won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheao
With the way it has turned out with Coughlan this current Cork entity going bust could be the best option rather than the entity lingering on straddled with debt. With the structure and funds of FORAS there's tentative first steps to setting up a new more sustainable entity in Cork. Thankfully Turners Cross is in the hands of the MFA. With the introduction of the A Championship though it's a long way back to climb up the LOI ladder if you've got to start from scratch.
Surely they are not gone.
Can a 400 club type thing not be organised?
Who owns Turners Cross??
This is a tragedy if this happens.:mad:
The MFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
Of course the league needs a team like Cork, do you really think its good if we lose a team that gets 3000 every home game to be replaced in the preimer division by someone team like sporting fingal, IMO opinion there only needs to be 3 Dublin teams in the premier and the rest spread around the country(sorry for neglecting the first division before anyone says anything)
Anyway best of luck to the Club and fans hope yous pull threw
We owe tax 100k how did we get hammered so much and they didnt. terrible news for cork as a county, hope they get out of it. FAI are a joke
Well, for a club with regular gates of over 3000, that €166 each: stupid stat. probably, but its not impossible, as long as you gain control of the club for the money.More than 500 Bohs fans put over twice that each into the club every year as members. Do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheao
very sad if it happens. personally i always seen cork as a 'real' club. there european cup run always left an impression on me.
It was never worse then, actually for the bigger games people would turn out. Could be huge crowds in the Showgrounds against Shams, Harps and Dundalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Let's not go over the top. They're only 20 years old ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Not one bit surprised to read this. Though I've great respect for the football public from Cork the blame for this whole mess lies solely with the FAI. For their sins last season both Cork and Drogheda should be plying their trade in the First Division this season. That was the only outcome that would have been fair to all clubs in the League of Ireland. Every club should be treated fairly but in the case of both the Rebels and Drogs they were treated with kid gloves. The FAI are to blame as I say and it's at their doorstep the buck stops. Heads should roll with immediate effect. Had the proper decision been taken back then there's no way Cork would be in the situation they now find themselves. Before a ball was kick in anger this season they had problems paying wages. What action did the powers that be in the FAI take, yes you've guessed it. The writing was on the wall before the season started. Our league will never be up to scratch unless the people running it have a real interest. The muppets in the FAI are only interested in the national side and that's the bottom line.
Not one single person in the FAI will shoulder the blame for this. The Fudge Mark II is being prepared as we speak.
Agree but it's time we the supporters started to make our voices heard. We are the people keeping the league alive and these muppets are only in it for what they can get out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Scares me to think how they treated a great little club like Cobh and then turn around and treat a crook like Bertie the way they've done. Was that all conducted for the love of football?
All clubs get better crowds for bigger games - even now.Quote:
Originally Posted by red bellied
Whilst it's a bit of a tangent, here's a list of clubs who I can safely say have bigger crowds now than they did c. 20 years ago (the odd one-off crowd excluded from both eras) :
- Bohs
- Pats
- Drogheda
- Cork
- Galway
- Finn Harps
- Shelbourne
- Longford
- Bray
Those with little noticeable change between the two eras :
- Dundalk
- Sligo
- Athlone
- Monaghan
- Waterford
- UCD
- Cobh
Those with worse crowds now :
- Derry City*
- Shamrock Rovers*
- Limerick
(*had exceptional circumstances to explain it).
But I digress....
In fairness, it wasn't the FAI who ran Cork into the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Licensing is far from perfect, but you can't expect it to protect clubs from themselves if they are intent on finding a way around it. Club's need to take responsibility for how they run themselves, and fans need to share that responsibility and stop looking to blame people outside their clubs.
Absolute nonsense. This is a situation of Cork's making. Before the season started Dundalk had verbal agreements with two players, both players went to Cork after they were made offers that were substantially more than the players had agreed with Dundalk. Then we had free admission to the Drogheda match. What the hell was that all about? Drogheda, like Cork came out of examinership and learnt from the sorry experience, Cork City learnt absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by clubman
The first division when introducted made a mockery of Loi crowds. I am on about the pre era. Ihave seen crowds against Harps in League Cup crowds in the Showgrounds of 4,000 plus and a league game against Shams a massive puller. Get half that this season would be biggest in the Showgrounds all season.
Your a sad fu(k...I cannot believe any fan of the league in this country is hoping that another club goes bust...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
I was gutted when Shelbourne got demoted... I miss the big games between the two teams...I've been hoping ye get promoted every season since...
You make me sick...
Thats where your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
I am also sorry to hear the news, it could so easily have been us. Heads have to roll if Cork goes ti.ts up - the examiner for start, and those monkeys ruining/running the compliance sector in the FAI. How can Cobh be RRS like they were, but both Cork and Drogheda get a Premier licence, with Cork now set to go belly up?? Absolutely shocking, but there is no such thing as accountability in this country so no one will pay for this latest slight on our beloved league
attendances always fluctuate, fact is city have a hardcore group of 2000 fans the last few years, if you could get just over half of them to make a commitment like say shamrock rovers cork have the potential to be one of the biggest clubs around,
i think as soon as arkaga pulled out the fans should have taken over, you have the FORAS group there, why dont they either take over the club, or just let it blink out of existance and forma new members club,
before i was even born ramblers had the cup run against sligo in 83, in one game there were over 15,000 fans atteneded a game in flower lodge, no domestic games generate anything like that anymore, there hasnt been a domestic game like that i think in my lifetime, has there? (i was born in 84),
prof that attendances mean noting, just look at the attendances threads here, the last 5 years ramblers were on average the 14-15 best supported club in LOi football, yet have a big debth over our heads, and were relegated to the A league,
then you have say monaghan or UCD not great support, but they run there clubs like businesses, they will slowly build there way to the premier division, managhan got a premier division licence this year,
the only thing that matters is commiment
eh ye but what i mean is that they are like the only league club in the second biggest county. they just seem to have so much potential and if i was a casual loi fan i would probably support them. i have a few of their jerseys, plus look at all the players they have developed like kevin doyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
top club.
id give credit to mick wallace for that, he bareley warmed the bench when he was at cityQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
what? i remember him scoring every week when i used to watch eircom league weekly back in 2005.
please dont stop there keep going :oQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
sorry thinking of pats, he played 75 game and scored 25 goals in 3 seasons for city, but mick wallce deserves all the crdit in my opinion, he just happened to be at city when he was noticed,Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
and where the hell did all that money go also,