Media claims FAI brand Palestinian flag as "racist"

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08/04/2009, 9:28 PM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac

Dundalk are easily becoming the most disliked club in the league, i have gone to games and Darren Mansarram has been given abuse and gave it right back but to turn around and say it is racist is plain ignorant of that shower of knucle draggers up there in Louth. Chanting? That better not be an official compalint or else i hope Sligo Rovers FC follow up if it is. They would want to catch on to themselves and stop dragging other clubs good names through the mud. Funny there has not been a mention of it till now, i wonder why that is !!!

Edit: I don't care about the flag but i don't see the point in them trying to justify it by talking rubbish about other clubs, esp when there has been nothing else said about any incident that night by either set of fans.

Care to explain why Sligo had a Che Guevara flag flying in the Showgrounds last Saturday? Oh, and Sligo town is further north than most of County Louth, Ptolemy.
08/04/2009, 10:31 PM
irishultra

i wouldn't mind but the sort who come up with this crap are about as politically active as my little sister.

i always see palestine flag at barcelona matches and croatian team fans always bring irish flags to matches in uk(linfield in cl an example )
08/04/2009, 10:58 PM
WoodquayBoy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

So extratime got the wrong end of the stick, again...

shoddy journalism, again...

Journalism? It's a gang of fans providing website updates, it hardly equates to journalism in fairness
08/04/2009, 11:01 PM
betty swollox

The third flag on that tri colour is a green st.Georges flag with "champions" written across it, presumably a reference to some scottish club :rolleyes:
09/04/2009, 12:05 AM
Scrufil

A flag flys at the end of a flag-pole. The majority of so called flags at football matches are banners. If a person or a club were to fly a defaced Irish tricolour on the end of a flag-pole then this could be deemed to be offensive. The only matter of debate then remains if a short pole actually is regarded as a proper flag pole as short poled flags tend to get waved rather than get fixed into position to occupy an official capacity.

I'd get more offended by seeing someone wearing a Rugby Shirt that represents an Irish province advertising Bank of Scotland than I'd get from seeing a few colourful banners appearing in League of Ireland grounds.

If the government really wanted to make a few bob it should introduce an on the spot fine for anyone wearing a sports shirt outside a sporting venue that advertises foreign goods! :D
09/04/2009, 12:55 AM
HarpoJoyce

To the football chant of
"U-S-A, U-S-A" an appropiate response is "Vi-Et-Nam, Vi-Et-Nam".
Certainly UCD fans are clued-up enough to respond in an appropiate manner.
09/04/2009, 1:38 AM
Flawless

The Flag in question was made by a group of Dundalk Fans for the Celtic vs Porto UEFA cup final. It was not Originally intended to be a DFC Flag but a one off for the final, it has since become a fixture in Oriel. I personally dont know who owns the flag but i do know thats where it came from..
09/04/2009, 7:40 AM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Black, white, red and green are Cork colours? It could be argued (but I'm not going to) that they're Dundalk's colours too.

The flag in question (which is stitched alongside a Basque flag and a green St. Andrew's cross) defaces the white portion of an Irish tricolour with the words Lilywhite Bhoys on Tour (or words to that effect) emblazoned top and bottom -- I would have thought the 'needs' of a certain number of Dundalk fans were fairly obvious. For me, it's an embarrassment, I cringe everytime I see it, it has no place at an Irish football match. Almost as embarrassing as Bohs fans' UVF flag on the first game of the season, or Rovers fans' Linfield chants last night.

whats that about?

as for political flags I honestly don't have a problem with them - i mean football is the be all and end all of everything so I guess some people want to express everything through their only outlet in life - or something like that - maybe!:)

Wasn't some anti - racism group trying to get the confederate falg banned at cork gah games a while back!?
09/04/2009, 8:07 AM
Ash

TV3 have already commissioned a 3 part series starring Brian Denehey as a
down on his luck, divorced, alcoholic FAI match delegate who lost custody of
his daughter due to his wreckless life but he pulls it all together to bring a gang
of Palastine flag waving Shamrock Rovers supporters, disguised as Dundalk fans,
causing mahem around Oriel Park, to justice.

Also starring Maxi as a petrol attendent and Sean Connor as The Devil
09/04/2009, 8:09 AM
BohDiddley

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Almost as embarrassing as Bohs fans' UVF flag on the first game of the season

Excuse me?
09/04/2009, 8:34 AM
shep

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Originally Posted by Ash

TV3 have already commissioned a 3 part series starring Brian Denehey as a
down on his luck, divorced, alcoholic FAI match delegate who lost custody of
his daughter due to his wreckless life but he pulls it all together to bring a gang
of Palastine flag waving Shamrock Rovers supporters, disguised as Dundalk fans,
causing mahem around Oriel Park, to justice.

Also starring Maxi as a petrol attendent and Sean Connor as The Devil

Jesus!!! So thats how Athlone fans spend thier time;in a fantasy land. Suppose its better than the reality of realising you support Athlone.
09/04/2009, 8:51 AM
Sidefx

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

... Almost as embarrassing as Bohs fans' UVF flag on the first game of the season, or Rovers fans' Linfield chants last night.

What are you on about?
09/04/2009, 9:01 AM
disabledrog

This is quite possibly the most pointless thread ever ,its quite sad to be talking about flags ,and der was no racist abuse at the drogs match and none at the rovers match
09/04/2009, 9:05 AM
holidaysong

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Originally Posted by betty swollox

The third flag on that tri colour is a green st.Georges flag with "champions" written across it, presumably a reference to some scottish club :rolleyes:

Why would a St. George's cross be a reference to a Scottish club? :confused:

Anyway, it's the cross of St. Andrew (X) on the flag, not the cross of St. George (+)..
09/04/2009, 9:09 AM
punkrocket

So, if it's okay to wave a flag which contains your team's colours then would it mean that it's acceptable for team such as Derry City to wave the nazi flag around. I think we may all know the answer to that one.
09/04/2009, 9:19 AM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by punkrocket

So, if it's okay to wave a flag which contains your team's colours then would it mean that it's acceptable for team such as Derry City to wave the nazi flag around. I think we may all know the answer to that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

:)
09/04/2009, 9:45 AM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by disabledrog

This is quite possibly the most pointless thread ever ,its quite sad to be talking about flags ,and der was no racist abuse at the drogs match and none at the rovers match

That's why Drogheda were fined �300 for racist abuse towards Mansaram :rolleyes:
09/04/2009, 9:50 AM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Excuse me?

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos. Bohs fans will plead ignorance, well they would. As for Rovers, a group of their supporters were singing some sh�te about Dundalk being the Linfield of the south, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, although it's not the first time I've heard it (the last time I heard it was at a match in the mid-90s against Bohs, coincidentally, though it would be no surprise to me if it was same crowd).
09/04/2009, 10:29 AM
Dalymountrower

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos. Bohs fans will plead ignorance, well they would. As for Rovers, a group of their supporters were singing some sh�te about Dundalk being the Linfield of the south, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, although it's not the first time I've heard it (the last time I heard it was at a match in the mid-90s against Bohs, coincidentally, though it would be no surprise to me if it was same crowd).

Tina Turner, UVF Commander Beverley Hills Battn.
09/04/2009, 10:48 AM
BohDiddley

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos. Bohs fans will plead ignorance, well they would. As for Rovers, a group of their supporters were singing some sh�te about Dundalk being the Linfield of the south, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, although it's not the first time I've heard it (the last time I heard it was at a match in the mid-90s against Bohs, coincidentally, though it would be no surprise to me if it was same crowd).

Anyway. What were we talking about?
09/04/2009, 10:56 AM
gspain

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos.

I suppose there is no chance they could have been referring to the double they won last season. :confused:
09/04/2009, 10:57 AM
BohDiddley

Regarding objections to the flying of flags...

Clearly, they are an expression of political sympathy. I'm ok with that. We have Ford, Nokia, Nivea, Kellogg, Des Kelly, Woodies etc. signs at matches, and these are expressions of commercial links.

I can understand the arguments against tricolours or union flags on this island and in Glasgow, and it's just silly to bring a tricolour to, say, a Spurs game. But what's the problem otherwise?
09/04/2009, 11:02 AM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by gspain

I suppose there is no chance they could have been referring to the double they won last season. :confused:

There's no doubt they were. Embarrassing that they chose a UVF slogan to do so, no?
09/04/2009, 11:05 AM
Sheridan

It's more embarrassing that they were quoting a Tina Turner song...
09/04/2009, 11:06 AM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

It's more embarrassing that they were quoting a Tina Turner song...

Ha, quite.
09/04/2009, 11:06 AM
mcgonigle

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Originally Posted by disabledrog

This is quite possibly the most pointless thread ever ,its quite sad to be talking about flags ,and der was no racist abuse at the drogs match and none at the rovers match

Then why did a rovers fan come on oriel web and say that the racist abuse at the game was uncalled for, selective hearing again disabledrog?
09/04/2009, 12:59 PM
Louth4sam

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Originally Posted by mcgonigle

Then why did a rovers fan come on oriel web and say that the racist abuse at the game was uncalled for, selective hearing again disabledrog?

And he said there was none at the Dundalk match even though there was a thread about it on their forum and it was discussed at the duisc meeting.

"Some ****ed up fools started monkey chants at Manseram after he scored. From most people I've talked to, they don't seem to have been regulars at Utd Park so probably just ********s up for the night."
09/04/2009, 3:38 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

There's no doubt they were. Embarrassing that they chose a UVF slogan to do so, no?

:D:D

Yeah cos the UVF own that statement....It was quite clear what they were referring to and you're either a wum or living in a fantasy land if you think otherwise.

(I had no idea it was a UVF slogan and tbh couldnt give a crap).
09/04/2009, 4:15 PM
R�iteoir

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Originally Posted by Dalymountrower

Tina Turner, UVF Commander Beverley Hills Battn.

Her follow up single is a re-release of "Bushmills City Limits"
09/04/2009, 4:22 PM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos. Bohs fans will plead ignorance, well they would. As for Rovers, a group of their supporters were singing some sh�te about Dundalk being the Linfield of the south, I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean, although it's not the first time I've heard it (the last time I heard it was at a match in the mid-90s against Bohs, coincidentally, though it would be no surprise to me if it was same crowd).

Think you are over-reaching there eelmonster...if ever i hear 'simply the best' on the radio i must now dive to change it cause you just couldnt have a Bohs song on:p ....everyone to their own but i think this Basque/Palestinian/Cuban etc flag flying in attempt of solidarity is getting on for pathetic. As for rascist claims, they did occur at the Drogs match (wasnt in sligo) but while still dispicable from those involved it was a few idiots and not widespread among Drog support.
09/04/2009, 6:02 PM
corkboy360

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Originally Posted by punkrocket

So, if it's okay to wave a flag which contains your team's colours then would it mean that it's acceptable for team such as Derry City to wave the nazi flag around. I think we may all know the answer to that one.

Go for it.
09/04/2009, 7:43 PM
LukeO

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos. Bohs fans will plead ignorance, well they would.

Are you for ****ing real? :eek: :eek:
09/04/2009, 8:20 PM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by LukeO

Are you for ****ing real? :eek: :eek:

What's the problem? I'd already given the Bohs fans the benefit of the doubt. Albeit backhandedly. The fact remains that it is a well-known loyalist paramilitary slogan (and Tina Turner song).
09/04/2009, 9:30 PM
tiktok

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Google 'UVF' and 'Simply the best' -- the only other time I've seen that slogan on a football flag or banner was at a Rangers match, whose fans are knowingly referring to one of the UVF's mottos.

Thanks for that, best laugh I've had in a while.
09/04/2009, 9:35 PM
Sidefx

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

What's the problem? I'd already given the Bohs fans the benefit of the doubt. Albeit backhandedly. The fact remains that it is a well-known loyalist paramilitary slogan (and Tina Turner song).

Oh dear oh dear:rolleyes:

I'd say that the reason you have not seen the flag (which is probably the Flag that has a Bohs crest, a silhouette of Kevin Hunt the number "4" and the phrase "Simply the Best" - was it hanging down by the corner flag at the away terrace in Oriel pk?) is that you have been playing in the 1st division for the last few years so unlikely that you have seen it at a football ground during this period, but don't let that get in the way of your prejudices

:p
09/04/2009, 9:55 PM
celticV3

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

What's the problem? I'd already given the Bohs fans the benefit of the doubt. Albeit backhandedly. The fact remains that it is a well-known loyalist paramilitary slogan (and Tina Turner song).

Are you serious? No really have you been granted temporary access to a computer in your home?

Might as well give my opinion on the flags and open the can of worms that may keep this thread going for another few pages. I think a lot of the time the hanging,flying and waving of these flags is too show solidarity with the country belonging to the flag. Some may not see this as appropriate as politics and football should not mix but the LOI is not the first place the two have met. This may not be justification but it is often the reason which people are free to agree or disagree with.
09/04/2009, 10:31 PM
BohDiddley

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Originally Posted by Sidefx

I'd say that the reason you have not seen the flag (which is probably the Flag that has a Bohs crest, a silhouette of Kevin Hunt the number "4" and the phrase "Simply the Best" - was it hanging down by the corner flag at the away terrace in Oriel pk?) is that you have been playing in the 1st division for the last few years so unlikely that you have seen it at a football ground during this period, but don't let that get in the way of your prejudices :p

Simply the best contribution on this subject.
09/04/2009, 10:50 PM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by celticV3

Are you serious? No really have you been granted temporary access to a computer in your home?

Might as well give my opinion on the flags and open the can of worms that may keep this thread going for another few pages. I think a lot of the time the hanging,flying and waving of these flags is too show solidarity with the country belonging to the flag. Some may not see this as appropriate as politics and football should not mix but the LOI is not the first place the two have met. This may not be justification but it is often the reason which people are free to agree or disagree with.

Open that can of worms and clich�s, celtic -- and a grammar book while you're at it.
09/04/2009, 10:51 PM
eelmonster

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Originally Posted by Sidefx

Oh dear oh dear:rolleyes:

I'd say that the reason you have not seen the flag (which is probably the Flag that has a Bohs crest, a silhouette of Kevin Hunt the number "4" and the phrase "Simply the Best" - was it hanging down by the corner flag at the away terrace in Oriel pk?) is that you have been playing in the 1st division for the last few years so unlikely that you have seen it at a football ground during this period, but don't let that get in the way of your prejudices

:p

"Simply the Best" said it all, really.
09/04/2009, 11:13 PM
celticV3

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Open that can of worms and clich�s, celtic -- and a grammar book while you're at it.

Ok I'll take advice off you, the simple lad who probably thinks that Tina Turner was recruiting for the UVF?:o

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