Good Luck to Kerr,
Ive always believed that he was unfortunate not to do better with us than he did. I was happy with everything he did but in the end the players just were not playing for him. Says more about the players than him IMO.
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Good Luck to Kerr,
Ive always believed that he was unfortunate not to do better with us than he did. I was happy with everything he did but in the end the players just were not playing for him. Says more about the players than him IMO.
A managers job is to get the players to play for him.... he failed badlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Joe
and i 100% agree with that as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I always like to see Irish guys succeed in football. Good luck.
He didn't work out as manager, partly through bad luck but mainly beacuse he didn't keep the dressing room and results when they counted were poor. By the end of his last campaign it was obvious he'd run his course.
For those slating Trap for leaving out Andy Reid and others, people have to remember that Kerr regularly left out Steven Reid and Richard Dunne. His work ethic during his tenure was fantastic though and it's a shame given how much he did for the FAI over the years that his relationship with them led to no possibility of a lesser role than national team manager. As suggested above, I'd bite your hand off if you offered him as the U21 manager.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by back of the net
That was something I really did admire him for. I remember watching a Man Utd reserves game on MUTV one night and Kerr was there,Paddy Crerand commented that he was regularly seen up and down the country checking out his players on any night of the week in any weather. There was no player he wasnt aware of from the ages of 15 upwards Id say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I do think it was a shame that he became so bitter after his sacking as manager because he was definately an asset to football in this country but because of his bitterness could never work with the FAI again in any capacity.I fully believe the top job was step too far for him and I regard his tenure are a failure but I wish him well in the Faroes job and hope it leads to something bigger for him.
I don't know what standards people are judging Kerr by if they're calling him a bad manager. Let's put it this way. The way we played in the 2006 campaign is how I'd expect a Sven Goran Erikson team to play. £4m Sven vs £50k Kerr.
If anything the Faroes are probably getting the biggest bargain in world football.
I'd agree about the bargain bit, especially if he manages to get them a good discount on blank dvds in bulk.
I hope that puts an end to his whiny IT column, then I wont be forced to read it anymore.
He cuts an altogether different personality when he is positive and forgets about his chips for 10 minutes..
Who is forcing you to read it.
Fair point, though from what I remember, Kerr found himself knee deep in what was then the still-hot Saipan issue. So just on that alone it made the team "transitional", post-Keane if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I think what Kerr asked of his players is not 100% away from what Trap is currently doing now & while Trap's getting away with murder and no small amount of luck, Kerr's campaign basically fell over because of not one, but two comebacks by Israel.
Looking at that 2006 Group 4 table right now, were those Israeli draws the wins they should have been (in part thanks to our late goal concession hoodoo), we would have topped the table :(
I'm not trying to totally defend Kerr here - like I said his team played boring football - but he didn't deserve to be as pilloried as he is.
@ BohSoGood...
No, that's not why he was not liked. Not everything relating to Irish soccer has that agenda.
He wasn't liked because he was even more conservative than Trapattoni but - crucially - couldn't formulate a defence as good. We gave away a lot of sloppy, late goals and, other than 10 mins away to Switzerland in 2004 and half an hour against Israel at Lansdowne Road in 2005, we always played horrendously dour stuff under him.
He also had a very suspicious manner about him and was surly with the media.
They have dropped in the rankings from 100 to nearly 200 so they can hardly get any worse so the only way is up (or down ;))
I didn't think Brian was the right man for the Irish job at the time, I thought it was too big a job but I still got behind him as I did with Stan but results are what matters, and when Mick never failed to get us to at least a play-off in each of the qualifying tournaments he managed in, the other two couldn't achieve that much. He had to go.
I feel he could've offered more to Irish football as he had done before the senior job, maybe the U21s, but because of his falling out with the FAI he'll never work here again in any capacity for them.
He has a great understanding of the game and I think the Faroes have done well with his appointment.
I think one of the reasons he couldn't get the players to play for him was he was never a pro in England and now he was telling guys with massive wallets and even bigger egos how to play international standard football.
Best of luck to him in his new job.
I feel very strongly about us playing a good passing game (quick short passing, intelligent movement) and I certainly didn't think we played dour stuff under Kerr. I thought he made us look a good standard team and one which other teams respected. Israel and France certainly respected us. I think Benayoun said we were the strongest team in the group.
A lot of our friendly wins against were very competitive matches with both teams really going for it (Holland, Portugal, Croatia, Czechs). Those were games with nothing to lose though. The difference with Trap and Kerr is that Trap is happy for his players to sit back. That's the instructions. Kerr just couldn't get the players to lose the fear which instinctively made them sit back. The last thing Kerr wants is a player lumping the ball up the field.
As for the defence. Were 2 Israel's goals from outside the box, their peno, Henry's cracker or Yakin's goal in Switzerland down to a bad defensive system? Our defence with Cunningham and O'Brien was brilliant for the most part.
A very strange choice to be sure. Not sure what it means for Brian or his future prospects.
I was elated when he was appointed. He managed to bring Keane back for one last hurah. However, he seemed to freeze in the brighter stage of the national manager. He had a tremendous amount of good will with the press which he lost as he became increasingly more paranoid.
For me, a single example which serves as a microcosm for his time with Ireland, was the home match against Israel in the last WC qualifiers. We were leading 2-0 and had just had a third goal disallowed. We were, quite frankly, all over Israel. Robbie Keane pulls up injured after 27 minutes of the first half. Kerr had a relatively in-form David Connolly on the bench yet he decided to put on Graham Kavanagh instead. Now I'm a fan of Graham Kavanagh but he was the wrong player to put on in that situation. He basically ceeded the momentum back to Israel by putting on a a defensive midfielder. It was the wrong move from a practical footballing perspective and from an "attidue" perspective.
That summed up his tenure as the Irish manager. Good luck to him and I really do hope he does great things (so long as it's never against us).
Completely agree with this. McCarthy's starting position cannot be compared to Kerr's. Kerr is the only former Irish manager to be left with a chip on his shoulder about his former position. Even Stan had the sense to lie low. Kerr's articles in the Irish Times are laden with negativity. The Faroe Islands is such a terrible managerial role to take over, but maybe he can finally move on and not live in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
While Faroe Islands are obviously minnows of World football they are not quite as pathetic as the likes of San Marino and Luxembourg. Just wanted to say that because reading some posts I get the impression this is how a lot of people view them. In fact, although they lose the large majority of their games they are very rarely thumped
Fair play to Kerr for taking this challenge on, I think he'll have a progressive influence on them. If he can bring them up a seeding he'll have done a great job and it'll open the doors to better jobs. Scandinavian clubs/countries would sit up and take notice for instance if he does well.
yep, only beaten 2-1 by italy, last minute goal conceded cost them against lithuania at home and 2-1 defeat awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Armando
some thumpings but kerr might be able to do something
they are awful but as u say not that bad
Also wish Brian all the best and hope that it is a stepping stone to a bigger job .. and maybe eventually back to the Irish job again ;-)
200k a year according to the Irish Times for doing something you love and mixing it with France and Serbia again. It's a bit of a no brainer. Have to laugh at the keyboard brigade questioning whether it is a good move for him.
200k? Total no-brainer as you say.
i think what most of us are saying that its a job thats really going nowhere, other than trying to prevent a possible hiding. we all hope things work out for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
I completely agree with all of that. It was mind-boggling as decisions go. Good luck Kerr all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
I wonder who contacted who- it just seems odd.
Happy to see him back in international football- hopefully he can use this as a stepping stone to greater things.
His style of tactics should maximize their ability to compete.
He knows how to shut down attacking threats and reduce scoring chances against.
He won't have to deal with intense media scrutiny or big player egos either, so I'd say all the ingredients are in place for the Faroes to qualify for the Euros!
Recalling mind-boggling Kerr decisions - I had much less of a problem with the Israel match than I did with the final match of his tenure against Switzerland. At home, 0-0, needing a win, pushing for a goal and what does he do? Like for like substitutions up top (Doherty for Morrison I believe) at a time when we were screaming out for a bit of ambition. As soon as he made that decision he had lost me as a supporter and it was time to go.
Up until that point Kerr had my support. I thought he was a fine hard-working manager but proved himself tactically naive. Wish him all the best though, think this is a win win decision and I think the Faroes will benefit greatly from his organisational experience.
careerwise .. agree at first glance that it is probably not a great move ... ... but from a personal viewpoint, he is getting well paid for a hobby and can mix and plot against France again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
Actually, when you think about it .. he has a very limited number of jobs open to him .. English speaking jobs .. maybe Scandinavia .. and then further afield like South Africa, India, Australia, US, New Zealand.. so if he wants an international job this is probably the only place he can start .. and maybe move up to a bigger Scandinavian country.
Agree with other posters that he would be the ideal Irish U21 boss .. but he has burned his bridges with the FAI with his comments since 2006.
def agree hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Armando
also have you seen the size of their defenders!!! Im sure Kerr can at least tighten up their defence
I hope he can get some results out there
Bitter, bitter man. ****e coach.
We came 4th in a group containing Russia, Switzerland and Israel thanks to his defensive tactics. No we're not world beaters by any stretch of the imagination, but with the players we had there's no way we should have come 4th in that group.
Why the w*nkfest?
He's found his level
like anyone else the man needs to earn a crust, so no problem with him taking this job and in fairness he seems to accept that "beggars can't be choosers" and since no one else was offering him a job he's accepted this one... hopefully he'll have some focus and that will help him move on from his pathetic bitterness and we won't have to enjure his clumsily disguised efforts at commentary in the Irish Times which in reality have been stupid in their attempt at being 'clever' and sad in that all they've done is expose him as a bitter and twisted saddo who can't accept the reality of his tenure as manager of the Irish team, he had nothing but a huge amount of goodwilll when appointed to the Irish job and we know and he knows he blew it... maybe he should spend some time with that well know psychotherapist Gabriel Byrne they'd have a lot to talk about .
says in the star hes earning 450,000 euro. me arse.
Have to agree there. He may have had success with the underage sides but he never stepped up to mark at senior level and couldn't handle the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red&White Rover
He should have probably replaced Don Givens a long time ago in the U21 set up but he ****ed off so many in the FAI he'll never get a job there again.
It is well known in football that he has a huge amount of info on players from all over the world - his research is meticulous but he used to subject the players to hours and hours of video analysis and they got totally ****ed off!
He was very friendly with many of the media until the latter part of his tenure when he completely turned against them and he paid the price for that!
His recent ramblings in the IT have been disgraceful and it smacks of complete bitterness.
Over the years we have heard his name mentioned in relation to many top jobs (probably his own spin) then it was jobs in the Far East and now he finally manages to convince some association to give him a job - The Faroe Islands, just like his football tactics, safe and without major expectation!
He said himself he knew how short players' attention spans were and that a video session would be about 40 minutes max accordingly. It says a lot more about the players and their "professionalism" if that was too much for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mediahack
agree, the rugby team spend a lot of time looking at video analysis and look where it got themQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
In fairness it's not really as clear cut as that. Henry's goal in Dublin split all 4 teams up. I do think Switzerland and France were the 2 best teams in the group though. Although Switzerland were battered in Israel (and very lucky to win both Cyprus games, not just the away one like us). It was a very even group and to be honest placings in the group don't tell much of a story when there's only a point or 2 between teams. Let Delaney think going from 3rd in the 04 group to 4th in the 06 group is decline because it's just ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red&White Rover
IF he does well over there maybe we will see him again managing Ireland, although I dont know if I could stick the Boredom of the way we played then, although it is not much better now i suppose.
Exactly my thinking; it's also worth pointing out that Kerr only managed Ireland for one full campaign, the aforementioned WC 2006 Group 4 qualifying. His "first" campaign was to join the Ireland setup mid-qualification, so that can hardly count. If Trap had little time to prepare his squad, Kerr had much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
thats not true, he had two campaigns - Ireland had many chances in both campaigns under kerrQuote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
In the first one - he even got off to a good start with an away win and draw - and he messed it all at home
One full campaign. I think you missed the word full in the above post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
fair enuff - but the point was he had two bitesQuote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
in reality you'd expect the french and swiss to qualify ahead of us but finishing 4th wasnt good enough
But that's my point, did he really? He came into the job amid a storm of post-Saipan arguments and the worst possible start to a campaign. I don't believe that he had the circumstances or the time to impose his regime, not properly anyway, until the '06 one. But by then the damage was done I would guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt