This made me burst out laughing!! Love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
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This made me burst out laughing!! Love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Football is taking over in this country as sport goes. I know many of you here will comment on how youngsters are veering towards clubs outside Ireland in terms of loyalty and im my opinion thats not a good thing but lets leave that to one side for one moment and look at the development of the game.
For me, fear amongst the rank and file members of the GAA is at the source of actions like those in that news piece, which I am assuming are true as they have been backed up by ramblers and other users. Throughout the country, more and more youngsters are playing football as opposed to GAA sports. It was always very evident in Dublin that football was the primary sport but now it has spread nationwide.
The levels to which GAA members sink to in order to prevent youngsters playing football never ceases to amaze me. These people dont have the concept of sport being good for youngster, at heart. They only want youngsters playing their sports. All the other sporting organisations in this country, encourage children to play other sports.
As more and more of these incidents are reported, more people will start to turn away from the GAA. I dont understand why more of the national papers dont print stories like this. Why dont tv3 do a 1 hour documentary on Hill16 when the Dubs are playing? From what I have been told by some of my work colleagues, it would be far more "shocking" than the tripe they produced on the EL.
This has been happening for years in every community in the land.
Its the norm for the local GAA clubs to take control of community grounds and take them as their own.
They built their clubhouses and then put locks on the gates.
Whats new????
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
There is much about everything I disagree with BSG upon ...but sometimes he uses that tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.:eek:
:D
By the way ...isn't it time this thread was moved as it's little to directly do with the LoI? It's easily worthy of Current Affairs ...or World Football
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Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7962884.stm
http://www.science.ulster.ac.uk/spor.../d.hassan.html
....was wondering when the official foot.ie GAA Assimilation Officer would add to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Nothing to see here, move along now everyone....
Do you think the GAA actually understand the concept of Irish citizenship?
Personally I think a lot of the social-economic problems and waste in the public sector in this country are caused by GAA jersey-ism. In that the GAA has created a certain psychology in parts of Ireland were the population do not see themselves as Irish at all, but rather citizens of their GAA county colours.
This is why you get headcase stuff like airports in Knock and railway lines opening in the middle of nowhere while Dublin still has neither a Metro nor and Underground DART line.
It's all rooted in the GAA county-colourisms. The very ethos of the organisation is a declaration of war on National citizenship and National identity.
If ya can turn a fella G.A.Y.............Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I didn't think they allowed that in the GAA? Surely its another reason for a good auld fashioned baytin'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
UUJ is one of the gah strongholds in the country. Hardly objective in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
I would guess this is very common across the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddyfield
The more this happens the more the GAA will lose in the long run.
Re: Croke Park. When the FAI & IRFU leave GAA revenue will drop 12m the next full year. They can't even get FAS conferences in Croke Park any more either.
It was only ever going to be a temporary revenue stream so I'm not sure why people are making this out to be some sort of disaster. I think the association will manage to avoid financial ruin for a few years yet. The outstanding debt on the stadium will be completely paid off pretty soon. At this point a lesser man than me would no doubt draw your attention to the FAI and their sterling efforts to finance the redeveloped LR. But that's not my style. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
The first act of the new government should be to nationalise Croke Park, put the naming rights out to tender, freeze all grants to the GAA and instigate an immediate and wide-ranging tribunal into the links between government and funding of the organisation over the past twenty years.
You're starting to lose the plot here a bit BSG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Ireland is far too centralised a country as it is, without lumping even more in Dublin than the rest of the country.
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Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
I think its a bit unfair to label him as a gah man just because he's from UUJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by SligoBrewer
Look at his list of publications.
There is more soccer than GAA research.
It is interesting to note the number of people on here branding the G.A.A. "bigots" and then proceeding to spew unrelenting bile about the Association.
As an avid Finn Harps fan and a playing member of the G.A.A. in Tyrone I have a foot in both camps so to speak. Rather than continually attacking the G.A.A., I believe domestic football could learn a lot from the way that the G.A.A. involve people in the game from a very young age and instill a sense of pride and commitment in them towards the organisation and its games.
Some of the comments to the effect that the G.A.A. put little or no effort into the youth and children are absolute nonsense. In Tyrone youngsters receive regular coaching both in primary schools and their clubs from the age of 6 or 7 years old.
Accordingly my advice would be, rather than berate the G.A.A. perhaps domestic soccer could learn a lot from it!
I think most fair-minded people on here would agree with you that there is a lot to learn from the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Chief
However - the GAA isn't being attacked here for no reason. Instead - it's because sections within that organisation are stuck in the 19th Century and actively do their best to prevent the spread and growth of 'soccer' in Ireland. Even going to extreme measures such as ploughing-up a football pitch in the middle of the night, or going through court to try to undermine the Tallaght stadium.
There is no requisite attempt by supporters or administrators in Irish soccer to undermine the GAA - the effort is all one-sided here. Hence the bile that is directed their way.
Whilst soccer does indeed have much to learn from the GAA, the GAA also has much to learn from the civilised world in terms of copping itself the fcuk on and not thinking it, the church and DeValera run the country any more. When that happens, I suspect you'll find the flow of bile strangely dries up.
:ball: (a size 5 ball, for the record).
Nice speech bc. Completely sidestepped the topic mind but still...Learn from it? Like how to plough a field at night? I suppose Mick Wallace might loan some portable floodlights ...but I dunno if he'd have a tractor or a plough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Chief
Agreed on both parts I've quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Chief
Agreed again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
But, as DCFC Steve says -
There are a few posters on here who are ready to defend the GAA, and they do a pretty good job of showing over-the-top comments as being over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
But, like the posts of Big Chief and Jinxy above, they often sidestep the main topic of the thread - which is in this case the ploughing of a pitch to stop it being used for "soccer" games. I'd hope that the two posters I have mentioned, as well as commending the GAA for their efforts in general, would give us their opinions of the main point of the thread. Do they feel it was wrong? Childish? Or do they support the action?
It is true there is a lot to learn from them but maybe they have somethings to learn to.
As I have said time and again in life and in football when you stop learning from others its time to pull the plug.
Of course I don't support it and without knowing the full details it would appear on the surface to be an extremely childish act.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
However, I would remind people that this happened in Kerry where the spirit of the Bull McCabe is alive and well.
Just be glad no donkeys were killed.
Or Yanks for that matter.
No offence to any Kerry animals that may post here.;)
On liveline now
Well what usually happens in this situation is that certain folk will latch onto the main topic and expand it to fit their own agenda so that before long you have posters saying the GAA are doomed, the financial outlook is bleak etc. This sounds like a pretty unique situation and I get the impression there is a territorial element involved as the PRO of the soccer team referred to GAA members coming into "their" village to sell lotto tickets. Like I said before, this is Kerry. Ploughing up the pitch is still ridiculous behaviour regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Just listening to it....
Very sad, in this day and age, to hear the attitude of of one girl who only sounded like she was in her twenties, who was of the opinion the soccer club should be put out of there.
A contributor who plays for C'Maine (football) and Keel (Gah) stated without any challenge from the PRO of the Milltown-C'maine GAA club that the land was left "to the community" by the Spring-Walkers -not to the GAA per se.
It appears the GAA are basing their ownership claim on possession of the deeds which have been passed amongst members of the GAA club down the years in trust.
If they want to play that game then the soccer club should return the serve with a claim of adverse possession (squatters rights) on the basis they've been using and maintaining it unchallenged for three decades.
I'd like to help them out financially (a contribution) if they decide to go down the legal route. Really take the GAH to task on this. It'd scandelous that soccer camps have had to be moved / cancelled.
To suggest that both Jinxy and I were alone in sidestepping the "main" topic in this thread would be simply wrong. Long before I contributed to this thread there were numerous posters who sidetracked from the issue towards having a general pop at the G.A.A..Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
If the G.A.A. club has engaged in such behaviour for a purely vexatious purpose then their actions are regrettable. I do however suspect that this is based on a simmering dispute between the two clubs and I suspect that neither are whiter than white in this situation.
Perhaps if these clubs based their playing pool on local players sourced only within their parish or town it would create a greater sense of loyalty and this may ultimately filter its way upwards and lead to increased interest in and indeed support for the domestic league.
Having listened to Liveline it seems it's a bit more complicated than a soccer v GAA spat.
Can't imagine this is going to be settled anytime soon, 100 Castlemaine people were protesting outside the Kerry-Galway match on Sunday, which is massive for a small rural area. Like most Kerry people, I follow all sports, and I hasten to add that the actions taken by the GAA were completely unrepresentative, after all it was largely due to the Kerry GAA that the soccer team got the use of Croke Park, but you'll always get a few who haven't left the Stone Age yet. I imagine the only long-term solution is for the GAA to compensate Castlemaine United and the community groups for the loss of the field and/or assisting them in redeveloping at another site, it does no good to have families and neighbours at each other's throats.
Did those other 32 counties not get a say then.....?!? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
You sure you're not from Cork with that county-importance complex......:D
;)
I assume he is referring to the fact that Sean Kelly was the President of the GAA at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What's the 33rd county? London? New York?
(Not sarcastic, just wondering was that a mistake, or do one of the overseas teams in the all-Ireland have a vote)
It was probably a mistake above but those organisations did get votes. Indeed it was quite sickening that the likes of Warwickshire who have used football (and possibly rugby) grounds voted against opening Croke Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
24 of the 26 countie sin the Republic of Ireland carried the vote (Cork and Monaghan against). Northern Ireland voted 100% against.
You sure you're not from Cork with that county-importance complex......:D
Didn't mean to sound too parochial, just when you see that a story's gone national, you want people all round the country to have a better idea of what the situation on the ground's really like. As well as junior soccer really taking off since Italia 90, basketball and rugby are also growing, so the idea of things being like The Field is fairly daft.