Sure it is - he's just giving the slacked jawed yokels about the place what they want to readQuote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
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Sure it is - he's just giving the slacked jawed yokels about the place what they want to readQuote:
Originally Posted by stickyjoe
Get a grip man, you're the one who said that these accounts make the league a laughing stock and when i asked why you cared you mentioned the 10,000 attendances thingQuote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
I'm saying that every club has enough problems of their own before they can start blaming Bohs for the lack of attendances? Are you saying this is wrong?
If they're getting 400k per year in rent then 6 million is a fair estimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
These accounts WILL make the league a laughing stock. And they WILL make the potential audience for the league think it's even more rubbish than thy do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I haven't blamed Bohs for our rubbish attendances. Once again you're putting words into my mouth. Just to make it clear:
"The fact that the league seems to be embroiled in some sort of farce every week certaintly is a huge contributing factor to the ****e attendances we all experience."
But its not every week is it. these are form last year and have been widely known for a while. I saw them first weeks ago. If I saw them, then journos saw themQuote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
And once again, my main point is that people here over emphasise the effect these type of things have on people who don't care about the league. Ask 20 non LOI people tomorrow what they think of Bohs finances and I guarantee you none of them will have a clue.
Blad student - fair enough. I'd have preferred if they had it revalued in the current climate, rather than just knock the 10% off., but I'm no expert...
Problems like these are indicitive of what happens in general in the league. We've had two ridiculous stories in the past couple of days, with the non-payment of Dan Murphy and these accounts. They all contribute to the generally negative a derisory attitude towards the LoI amongst the vast majority of the Irish population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What I'm saying is that it isn't good for the league. And that any collective w.ankathon is short-sighted.
That depends on how long the lease is and what terms are attached to it's renewal or other options attaching;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
thats the kind of assessment that has caused this global meltdown do you work for a bankQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
we laughed at Rovers when they made monumental f*ck up after monumental f*ck up after monumental f*ck up. We laughed at Shels too. We just laugh at Pats anyway.
Enjoy the moment lads. :ball:
I don;t know much about these things either. I think a better question might be why they revalued the car park. Could this be part of a plan to stay in Dalyer but sell the car park to pay down the debt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Very over-valued in fairness, as the broad rule of thumb is that the price of a commercial asset is normally 10 times its annual income - in this case €4m rather than €6m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
We can argue over which multiplier to use in valuing a commercial asset though (and no doubt you will... ;)).
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The number of clubs in England who are in serious financial sh!t is simply eye-watering - and most people just don't know or care.
Administration is extremely common in English football, yet no-one argues that it is a rubbish league
Crazy.Quote:
2007: Transfer / Sign on fees - 179,372
So the car park is valued at 6m now but they have taken out a 2m loan against it. No wonder Bohs have 4 Bankers.
I love the way they blindly assume they will win the court case with Albion without any plan B. Even if they win the case it is almost impossible to believe Danniger will go ahead with the original deal as would most likely walk away from or renegotiate.
hate to see any club in **** its not nice but you only have to look at the squad and see the majority of them are ex shels and ex drogs.wont exactly be earning pittance will they?and as for the club been asset rich,sure they are.jason byrne glen crowe joey ndo brian shelley are all wonderful assets for a start;)
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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Dodge's point, which I agree with, is that if tomorrow, you ask 1000 people who don't go to LOI matches why they don't go to LOI matches, very few people will give financial crises, unpaid players, or licencing decisions as reasons. As non-LOI fans, they won't even be aware of these things. The vast majority will just say the reason they don't go is that LOI is sh!te football played in sh!te grounds.
We will :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Are ye all going soft in the head?
No one has blammed Sean Connor yet!
Agreed and to argue that it doesn't damage the image of the league for new or potentially new fans is completely off the wall mad stuff, stuff the league has been dogged with for years. With all this stuff going every single year you can be 100% sure that its definitely not helping the situation anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Yup .... short-sighted ..... and we wouldn't have it any other way* ;)Quote:
What I'm saying is that it isn't good for the league. And that any collective w.ankathon is short-sighted.
They WILL be aware, so much aware that its scary. They dont listen to anything else and invariably point and the latest headline and gesture "sure why in gods name should i bother with that league. Look at the state of it". And yes this would be someone from Cork referring to Bohs/Rovers/Galways situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
The league needs a good swift kick in the hole, and i hate saying it but a club going out of business may be the only thing that would work.
* Do we know any other way?
When I quoted the transfer & sign on fees for 2007 I didn't I thought it would be obvious ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Fenlon is probably on about 200 or 300k!Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Hoop
I'm nit-picking slightly here, but are the bar staff part-time? €104,880 on wages between 4 people, working 17.5 hours per week, works out at just under €29 an hour.
Operational expenses look very high also. €15k on stationery and postage, €15k on phones.
It's absolutely frightening reading....how can any Bohs member justify the spending??.....any club can do what has happened here....spend money that you don't have! :eek:
Does not make good reading for bohs.
Hopefully they can survive in some form or another because a rivalry is no use if there is only 1 participant.unless your roy keane or course!
maybe a spell in the "discover ireland" league will do them good and give the members/fans a real sense of perspective on whether or not they actually want a club to support.
Rovers have a ****e team at the moment but none of that can undermine the pride and satisfaction we have in knowing our club is on a safer footing and we are on the road to where we feel we belong. success.
Simple answer ..... They cant !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Cow
If i was a member for any length of time and knew what was going on now i'd be losing the rag. The board have basically stuck two fingers up at the whole membership.
How have the Board done that?Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
It's one member one vote. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that not enough members either cared enough to exercise their duty or that the majority of members agreed with the way things were being run.
It's not as if these accounts are a surprise!
What you don't seem to realise is that the majority of their membership are as clueless as their board. At their members meetings there are a handful of sane ones who voice their disatisfaction but they are usually shouted down and out voted by the majority of the members. Originally I thought the whole "Bohs fans are clueless" thing was just a Rovers in joke but most of them really are clueless. Take a look at their forum - they're probably still talking about champions league qualification like they were a few weeks ago. They're still singing we are invinciple every week and has anyone heard any sack the board chants coming from the terraces? No didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Well we can safely say that you weren't at the Bohs match last Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
Interesting to note the cost of running under age teams. Rose from 15k to 130k. Put this down to A-League i'd say but it shows for the smaller teams like Sligo: How much of a challenge it is to put a team in this league. 115k a season: This is 10% of our turnover. And with a grant of 24k from FAI to run this team its still not viable imo.
I hope to god that the figure of 428,555 includes Connors settlement because if this is not true that is shambolic. What are they thinking?
Anyone notise how gate reciepts dropped a massive 20%plus (110k) in a double winning season. TV income down 50% and sponsorship hit too. If they didn't get that extra 400k last year in prize money they would be ....
No way running a A championship side costs that. If you can't run it for under the 24k there's something badly, badly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inside Man
I'd be very interested to know what the 115k was spent on..
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Originally Posted by Inside Man
Gate receipts drop is because we had Sunderland and Wolves friendleis in 2007 and Sean Connor's court case was in December, our financial year ended in November.
That is not alarming, because i dont believe it. That sounds well dodgy and this WILL be all over the papers this year. I hope to god its not during the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inside Man
Shels win the league and go bust
Bohs win the league and go bust
And people say that wont send out a bad message.
As a City fan I can't really talk as we have our own problems but going from one month where the club were FOOKED and looked like they would be part time and not able to pay players to then go and bulk up your squad with new players and keep the old ones:confused:
What happened the other 2 clubs to recently win the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
might as well add us to that/came out of it slightly better than shels but not a whole lotQuote:
Originally Posted by A face
You're out of it are you? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by stamullendrog
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Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
With that logic do you work for Irish Nationwide by any chance.........will you come down from that cloud you are on and back to reality.
You say your debts (that can be called in at anytime by your creditors especially so in current climate) are estimated at Eur 5-8 million, which is scary enough having a Eur 3m window of discrepancy and an alleged
Eur 25-30m so called asset that no one wants to buy now or in the forseeable future.
It is staggering beyond belief that you and the board do not see an issue with that.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nK09cyL8Ih...00/ostrich.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
To paraphrase Pastor Martin Niemoeller:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
In Ireland they first came for the Shelbourne,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Shelbourne fan.
Then they came for Drogheda United,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Drogheda fan.
Then they came for the Cork City,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Cork fan.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up
:(
bloody barstooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
There's always Pineapple Stu.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman