The article by Tom Humphries was syndicated to several papers over the weekend and the article or summaries of it appeared in every paper I saw on Saturday or Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
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The article by Tom Humphries was syndicated to several papers over the weekend and the article or summaries of it appeared in every paper I saw on Saturday or Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I repeat what has this got to do with the current Irish team? Should we start threads on Charlie Hurley or Paddy Roche? There are a number of threads already on Keane in the World Football Forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Totally agree.....this creating of nonsense threads really does my head in;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Really? There's also comment from Aidan O'Hara in the Independent and Dunphy in The Star and I'm sure you'll see comment elsewhere over the course of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I think the clue might be in the headline off the article itself.......
Good read, lot of excuises in it for me though and Humphries is so sycophantic with Keane these days it's beyond belief. No need for the comments about Clarke, it can't be pleasant to have that bitterness towards other people inside.
Does this apply to all other threads on ex internationals? Kavanagh, Kinnear etc etc. Funny how nobody bats an eyelid. Keane thread starts up and it's world war 3 again in here!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Exactly. Some people are very precious and a little bit anal about threads being in the right place on here. I mean we don't want to see multiple threads on the same topics but it's hardly the hanging offence it seems to be conisdered on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Exactly - it was a press release written in typical press release insightfulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
If I had to pay for the players that Keane bought and their wages and the large amount of players that he bought then I would be asking questions as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
Roy Keane is just a mortal man and has to answer for his actions like anyone else.
A footall manager is just an employee afterall and when he or supporters lose sight of this they have lost the plot.
Read it yesterday and as a Keane fan he really is not making many friends coming out and saying some the stuff he has said.
I taught the piece about Clarke was little low.
The problem with Keane is that he was not used to seeing players not as good as him unable to track back etc from championship standard and to repeat this process in the premiership.
I don't think he is cut out to be premiership manager he has much to learn.
Although I will say i would he did a better job then people give him credit for he did get them promoted from nowhere in fairness but he championship standard at best.
I read the piece yesterday and sounded like he was trying to be funny butQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
ended up making himself look like a right old c u next tuesday.
Yea, they would have been really surprised, when nobody turned up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdrams fan
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=103340Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Its not that long ago since we had long running thread about Dave Langan and nobody had any issue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Keane say that he accepted many of his signings were mediocre but he needed bodies and subsequently having a lot of players not playing naturally led to discontent. Then he goes on to criticise Clarke for saying that players were unhappy?
Anyway, my recollection is that what Clarke said is that all Keane did was shout at people. Clarke may have had experience of it or may have been told by his mates at the club. He didn't need to have been there. Cheap shot by Keane and shows he doesn't take criticism well.
I thought Keane's comments about Ellis (who put in £25 million of his own money into the cluab and actually offered Keane a new contract) were a bit daft. Contrary to the view above that he was right to walk away, it just goes to show that Keane has no respect for authority and that any potential club owner would be mad to hire him.
In my opinion Ellis was perfectly entitled to ask why the club manager doesn't live near Sunderland. Quinn doesn't have a day-to-day involvement with the playing side so he can live where where he likes.
Personally I've little time for Keane (on the basis of articles like this anyway) but then again by all accounts Lance Armstrong is an utterly horrible character. Doesn't mean he wasn't great.
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I agreed wholeheartedly on that when I saw the quote. In the article, he mentions that he's ****ed at Clarke for an interview he gave claiming Keane had lost the dressing room. That may be the source of it. Still in poor taste though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Keane's lack of people skills were not such a big deal when he was a player. As a manager they are his downfall
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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Quinn is the Chairman running the business side of things, how can he do that properly from Dublin???????
not every business manager lives near said buisnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
Since Short bought out Drumaville, Quinn is chairman in name only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
Because it was about his service to Ireland. This, on the other hand, is about Keane's role in leaving a Premiership club - not a smidgeon about Ireland as far as I can see. Anyway, the powers that be have decided that this is relevant to the Irish team and who am I to question this ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
exactly, well said brendan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan 82
Isnt it obvious that since Keane left Sunderland they are doing fine. Is that not proof enough.
He couldnt handle it , end of story.
Yes and its no harm to let him know it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by smasher
Roy if your reading your a bit of a gob****e.
Its for your own good Roy because like some famous/powerful people you have to be told how it is every now and again.
Pleased to be of service.
Jaysus - you put Keane straight there, tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Why don't you post your name and address up to give him a right to reply?
What a pile of rubbish Gut & Glory!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Guts&Glory
Short was on his case cause of bad results. He never turned up for training. His tactics were terrible and predictable. His coaching methods were shocking. And the way he treated players was disgraceful. He wasted ,what looked at the time, 40m of Shorts money. We were second bottom after losing to the mighty Bolton Wanderers at home 4-1. He called players weak for not moving up to Sunderland when he wouldn't do it himself. As a manager he should have moved up to the North East. And he didn't want people to question his abilty when we were heading back to the Championship. And with the same team Ricky Sbragia has taken to mid-table and look a hell of lot better. What Keane did at the club was good but Denis Smith and Peter Reid did a lot better under different circumstance and a lot less money. So this nonsense that Keane did a brilliant job at Sunderland is just ridculous! He failed where so many have before him. The easy part is getting out of the Championship the hard part was turning us into a Premiership force. What he said about Clive Clarke was just sick!!
P.S What is this doing in the Ireland forum anyway?
nail..on...head..hit....Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
I presume that's true but I'm having trouble believing it........Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
Is it really true?
Thursday and Friday were the only days he'd show up. Left it to Tony Loughlin the rest of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdom hoop
Evidently Dunphy savaged Keane in an article this weekend. Anyone have a link to it?
That's incredible when you consider the wages he was probably on, and the kind of money he was throwing around in the transfer market.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
Whatever about letting a manager get on with a job, if I was Short I'd have been giving him calls to get out there as well!
2 days a week of involvement with the first team at the Premiership level?
This isn't a pub team FFS
I agree that Keane left himself down in not seeing this season through (at the very least) at Sunderland. However all this talk about he's proven not to be able to handle a Premier Lge team, he should have learned his trade with a lesser club, he's proven to be a bad manager cos he can't deal with people- I'm sorry but I think this is complete and utter horsesh!t. He took over at a team who were second bottom of the Championship and left them second bottom of the Premier League having finished relatively comfortably in 15th the season before. Whether he spent money or not this was a terrific achievement and the fact that they have done ok since he left only proves that he left the club in a fairly strong position.
They were second from bottom after only 4 games when he took them over in August (i.e. the season had barely started) so all this "took them from the bottom to the top" is pure hyperbole.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Took over a team after 5 games who'd just won their last. Spent more net then anyone else in that league on players on very high championship wages to get promoted. Did well but was undoubtedly bankrolled that season. Spent a fortune in the PL and scraped into 15th having been in a relegation scrap most of the season. Spent another fortune and then buggered off with them in the bottom 3. Terrific achievment? By whose standards?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
I know it's heresy to criticise the golden son on one side of the fence but some of the defence of his record that's been provided since he left Sunderland has been laugahable in the extreme....
Calm down RoyQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
I thought that might smoke you out!!
Well you are either Roy or one of his bitches!!
Plenty managers have spent lots and won fcuk all. How much money have Sunderland made by being in the Premier Lge? TV rights, prize money, extra attendances at matches, etc. I'd say it'd go a long way towards repaying those transfer deals...and presumably the fans are much happier than looking up at Newcastle and Boro and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
If any other former Irish international did the same job at Sunderland as Keane did people would be falling all overthemselves praising him and saying that he is a definate future Ireland manager. But because of his history some people cannot wait to see him fail and will jump at any chance to have a go at him. Simple fact is though that the vast majority of fans in Landsdowne Road were delighted that he was back when he returned under Kerr and he remains very popular with these fans.
I did say at the start when I posted the interview in The Times that it wasnt going to change anybodies opinion of him one way or the other:D
I just think if someone opened a thread (for example) discussing one of our ex-players' fondness for the drink there'd be no problems with it being in this forum. Because Keane is world famous doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss him in the Ireland forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Your opinion or fact? If the latter, have you a source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
IMO it was never better than 50-50 and when he failed to contibute anything on his return is was a lot less.
Like myself, I was always a big Roy fan, but I have to admit i was let down by him walking out on sunderland. He cant have it both ways - playing the tough guy talking about respect - then he leaves sudnerland in the lurch the first hint of problems with over 20 rubbish signings that would be difficult to sellQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Yes but Im sure u dont think he did a terrible job at Sunderland either. Dont get me wrong I dont think he did brilliantly there but as Ive said earlier in this thread I think he did a good job for his first job in management and will improve for the experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt