A very weak statement from Derry. Boils down to "why are you complaining about the delay, we'll give you the money eventually".
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A very weak statement from Derry. Boils down to "why are you complaining about the delay, we'll give you the money eventually".
They've no choice. They basically told us they'd pay us the money if they had it. They don't have the money to pay Dungannon, so they can't pay it and have to stall.
Thanks Stu, the fountain of knowledge on all of Derry City finances!
I seem to remember a Drogheda fan saying something similar a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burny89
More seriously, he is saying that a UCD official claims he was told that you hadn't a pot to **** in when we went looking for money from you. Now it looks like you can't pay another bill. That should be worrying.
And when the **** was this UCD official on our board or see our finances? I gotta laugh at those taking the moral high ground on these issues, at the end of the day what we discuss is all speculation unless our club has oficially stated otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
I doubt he went to talk to your groundsman about the money you owed us.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
We're here because someone has stated you've avoided communication regarding money you owe. Either the nice man from Dungannon Swifts is lying or there's a pattern of evidence that you lot have money troubles. Given you're in the LoI, I'd be more surprised if you don't.Quote:
...at the end of the day what we discuss is all speculation unless our club has oficially stated otherwise
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Asking for money you are owed is hardly taking the moral high ground.
What is club going to say? " Ah,well actually they are right"
Last year's accounts show that we are hardly rolling in it. The chairman has gone on the record to say that we are cutting costs.
it looks to the outsider that you are trying to avoid paying your bill and are treating dungannon whit a little contempt.. unless there is another side to this story
Who said he could see your finances or was on your board?Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
We asked your officials for money after the league game in August; the reply was (and I paraphrase) "We're not trying to be pricks here, we'd pay you if we could, but we don't have any money." Fairly straightforward.
FFS It's only a matter of weeks since McGinn went to Celtic.
You would think (like a DS fan on IL forums) that it's been a year.
We havn't even arranged a friendly date for the transfer, so why are Swifts being so impatient? Tut tut.
Having agreed the transfer in principle in mid-December, the Contract took effect on 01 January 2009 i.e. seven weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Now there may be good reason why the money hasn't yet actually been been paid (though according to Swifts, such business can be transacted in two days between IL clubs).
The problem is, however, that not only are DCFC not paying, but they've not even saying, either! That is, they've not even replied to numerous letters or returned calls where Swifts have enquired what's going on (hence the Writ of Disclosure which Swifts have felt compelled to issue).
Irrelevant - no-one on here has claimed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
The proposed friendly will surely only account for a proportion of the transfer fee. Therefore DCFC will be due at least some cash from Celtic, 20% of which is due to be passed on to Swifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
We must assume Celtic have paid up at least some of the cash element, since DCFC haven't cited that as a reason for their inability to pay Swifts.
Therefore, the question is not "Why are Swifts being so impatient?", rather it should be: "Why won't DCFC at least pick up the phone and talk to someone at Swifts?"
After all, it's hardly in Swifts' interest to go to the trouble and expense of legal action if at all avoidable.
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Originally Posted by Maribor
I wasnt referring to this in particular, I was referring to our overall financial situation and alot telling us we're in the ****. Maribor the last accounts you saw were before the McCourt, Sammon and McGinn deals were included, and also the Celtic friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Our chairman didnt come out and and say we would be making cuts, only to pay money for Ger O'Brien if we didnt have it. We have reduced the squad considerably, and have only signed 2. We made money on the above players and friendly, and also the Dream Draw.
I'm as ****ed off as the next man that we havnt settled our debts, but because this has come to light dosnt automatically have us up **** creek.
:confused: But this is exactly what happened.....Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Sorry didnt finish sentence. See edit.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Looks like it's open season...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/7900285.stm
This issue was raised before wasn't it? Thought it was settled.
Pay your bills and people will stop complaining about you not paying your bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
I take it you know the facts on the Tommy Stewart case Baldy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Alright keep your pants on BaldStudent, I read it the first time.
I agree, I'm cheesed off with my club and fairly worried with what is said to be done and the reality. Having said that, I'm fairly sure this issue over Stewart has come up before and City are reasonably confident in their position that he's a free agent, although I could be wrong. And if I'm not, then it smacks of an olympic sized bandwagon jump by Linfield.
No but I have read the story of the boy who cried wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Did the wolf arrange a cash plus friendly deal? What was the percentage of add-on?
There's a simple solution to this problem; pay your bills and you won't have to put up with anyone complaining about you not paying your bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Not on this forum. More whingers here than in the Dail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
I see Jeffrey is still clutching at straws.
Ealing Green, have you not more to worry about, now that the IFA are at last making some kind of effort to push your supporters into acting responsible when out in public.
So now Linfield are claiming we owe them money when only a few weeks ago they stumped up money to pay us for Mc Hugh.
It's not Derry's fault they made a total c0ckup of Stewarts contract that a junior club wouldn't do.
Sounds like they're on the bandwagon. Tut tut.
Just for you Stu, taken from another thread, but you get the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Wait..we owe the wolf now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
You don't make this 'banter' thing easy do you?
By the way, some of the comments on here are a bit reminiscent of Higgins circa the Shels implosion. If these reported financial problems are simply misinformation how come the City board has failed to come up with a satisfactory response to Swifts? Or, more importantly, to the concern of fans?
Lads these are simple questions being asked of the club and we're coming up embarrassingly short.
Your point being that we should all be Man Utd fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derry
UCD fans will probably stop being whiney ****s about other club's finances when we're no longer competing for players with clubs who... ah, heck, you know what our problem is.
Dj is adament we offered at least 3 deals to Thomas Stewart, weather or not we did it "officially" we'll soon find out.
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Originally Posted by Graemerz
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-13896951.html
The important bit is below where Linfield admit they did not follow the correct procedure in trying to retain Thomas.
Derry City officials have told Linfield they are entitled to nothing because the club failed to offer Stewart a contract, in writing via registered post, 60 days before the conclusion of his recently expired two-year deal.
While Linfield accept that to be the case, the club's manager, David Jeffrey, and the player, are understood to have held contract talks midway through last season with a view to re-visit the matter at the end of the campaign.
Linfield secretary Ken Greer said: "There was a verbal offer of contract made to the player and it was agreed to discuss things at the end of the season. Up until Thomas moved to Derry City there was a new contract on the table for him to consider.
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.
Case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Regardless of this, FIFA indicates that the former club, in this case being Linfield, is entitled to justify a request for training compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
case clearly not closed.
Aye, also before we paid wages for the whole of the off season, the trip to Spain etc etc etc. You don't need to see accounts to work out the approximate cashflow of a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
You'll be aware of what happened last February when I question finances on a club message board so I am staying well out of it.
As for the Tommy Stewart one,I would be supremely confident we will emerge "victorious" on that issues, them "tubes" can go back to whinging about whatever is next on the agenda.....
Read the FIFA rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graemerz
Stewart was only under contract with Linfield for 22 months which falls short of the period which compo has to be paid.
Case closed.
Our agenda is never Derry City. Can Derry City state their agenda is never Linfield? You seem as obsessed with us as much as every team in the Irish League are, ffs. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribor
Self Pity FC.
Cracker wan.
Can Derry City state their agenda is never Linfield? Aye, I think we can.
I think Linfield, and their fans, have an exceedingly high opinion of themselves.
It is your club chasing mine for money, and I merely made a comment on the situation. If that ranks with obsession, no wonder people think Bluemen are paranoid.......
Taken from the same thread, by me -Quote:
Originally Posted by Derry
Goes for every Derry fan bar Maribor, whom you should really all be paying more attention to.Quote:
Always amuses me how fans of clubs almost always shirk away from any negative talk about their club, even when it's so blatantly obvious how much trouble they're in.
By the same token, if someone makes a habit of complaining and doomsaying about everything, people stop listening. Call it the David McWilliams effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
On DCchat a lot of posters have expressed serious disquiet about the allegations, particularly in light of previous behaviour. But given the facts are anything but clear at the minute, people are waiting to hear the full story before they call for crucifixtion.
As is your choice. Doesn't change any of the facts as I've posted. Doesn't bother me if people put their fingers in their ears and their heads in the sand every time something bad is said about their club. I find it amusing, bordering on curious, is allQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
So waht have we learnt from this thread.
1) Derry as a club are *****. Have been in the past (Dykes et al) and will be in the future no doubt. Treat pretty much every other club with disdain.
2) Linfield fans see themselves as defenders of the IL
3) Linfield themselves are run like a junior club
4) None of Linfield, derry, Dungannon or UCD have a pot to **** in
5) UCD fans complain a lot about finances
6) Derry fans complain a lot
Did I miss anything?
Everyone thinks their club is the best run in the world, and that their club couldn't possibly be wrong.
Other than that, you've summed it up well.
My club is wrong more often than right and its ran poorly. I am not disillusional like Self Pity FC supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu