The first IL club 'Credit Crunch' casualty.

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06/02/2009, 6:00 PM
paudie

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Originally Posted by AnnaghRed

Armagh is a city in name only, its population is something round 14000 and its football affiliations have always tended toward Glenavon, with a few Portadown and Linfield scattered around.

Gotta give them a chance, its barely 20 years since they were Milford Everton.

Thanks, didn't realise that they were ever Milford Everton
07/02/2009, 5:11 PM
gufc2000

What kind of crowds were Bangor getting?
07/02/2009, 5:25 PM
holidaysong

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Originally Posted by GUFCforlife

What kind of crowds were Bangor getting?

Their average so far this season is 451. Only Newry have a lower average.
07/02/2009, 7:10 PM
gufc2000

Bangor Chairman quoted as criticisng the fans for not turning up. Surley alls they will be doing is going throught the motions for the rest of the season. I wouldn't like to think of their crowds when the league splits, especially if they finish in the bottom six
08/02/2009, 1:10 AM
Graemerz

The problem with Bangor is that most local football supporters in the town and surrounding areas already follow the Blues or Glens.
09/02/2009, 6:26 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Bangor deserved that position, more than DCFC. At least at Bangor provide a little shelter, decent standing area and toilet facilities. DC provide grass banks and no shelter and portaloos.

Bangor also have a better fanbase.

One of the main reasons cited by Bangor was their poor fanbase and in turn low income. Donegal Celtic do not appear to have suffered on that count.
09/02/2009, 6:28 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

No harm to ya but the official figures from the JJB Sports Premiership are incorrect. I have no idea why or how, but they are.

And who supplies these figures for publication? :rolleyes:
09/02/2009, 9:53 PM
Graemerz

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

One of the main reasons cited by Bangor was their poor fanbase and in turn low income. Donegal Celtic do not appear to have suffered on that count.

Aye because they have a potential 10,000. :rolleyes:
09/02/2009, 9:54 PM
Graemerz

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

And who supplies these figures for publication? :rolleyes:

Shrugs... don't care. They are incorrect. Happy with that?
09/02/2009, 11:14 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Shrugs... don't care. They are incorrect. Happy with that?

So you believe the club you support is supplying the the IFAP with incorrect figures and thus jepordising their participation agreement? :rolleyes: Pinneapple Stu got it right.
09/02/2009, 11:16 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Aye because they have a potential 10,000. :rolleyes:

No because when they were in the IPL their attendances were sufficient to help maintain them financially while Bangor said their attendances are not enough to do likewise.
09/02/2009, 11:55 PM
Graemerz

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

No because when they were in the IPL their attendances were sufficient to help maintain them financially while Bangor said their attendances are not enough to do likewise.

Different leagues. The Carnegie Premier Division that DC participated in, is not the same league Bangor have been playing in this year.

As for your previous post, regardless, the figures are still incorrect. Totally.
11/02/2009, 9:38 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

As for your previous post, regardless, the figures are still incorrect. Totally.

You should report your club to the IFA then. :rolleyes:
12/02/2009, 12:43 PM
Graemerz

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

You should report your club to the IFA then. :rolleyes:

Why would I report my own club? :rolleyes:

I'm stating the figures are wrong throughout the entire league. Some are more wrong than others.
12/02/2009, 1:49 PM
David

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Originally Posted by JerseyRed

Indeed. And to be fair on DC they will be upgrading their ground soon. Ciould be playing some matches at solitude whilst the work goes on.

How long have we been hearing that. Let's be honest, it was a political decision to allow their ground in the Premier League in the first place. The IFA were frightened to say no when the fact is that the ground is not fit to hold top division matches and is a danger for those attending.
12/02/2009, 7:09 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by David

How long have we been hearing that. Let's be honest, it was a political decision to allow their ground in the Premier League in the first place. The IFA were frightened to say no when the fact is that the ground is not fit to hold top division matches and is a danger for those attending.

Em, nonsense David. There ground met the criteria that applied at the time. There ground is/was no more dangerous than many IL grounds were/are. You state as "fact" that there ground was not fit to hold "top division matches." Can you explain then how such matches did in fact take place when they were in the "top division" and indeed their ground was used this season for "top division" games? Those are the FACTS.

While your at it David, please tell us how many games have been called off for spectator safety issues in recent years and which grounds they happened at? :rolleyes:
13/02/2009, 9:26 AM
David

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Em, nonsense David. There ground met the criteria that applied at the time. There ground is/was no more dangerous than many IL grounds were/are. You state as "fact" that there ground was not fit to hold "top division matches." Can you explain then how such matches did in fact take place when they were in the "top division" and indeed their ground was used this season for "top division" games? Those are the FACTS.

While your at it David, please tell us how many games have been called off for spectator safety issues in recent years and which grounds they happened at? :rolleyes:

On both occasions that Linfield played league games there I witnessed numerous people falling such was the conditions of the away part of the ground. Do you think that is acceptable for the any match, never mind the top division in the country?
13/02/2009, 7:14 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by David

On both occasions that Linfield played league games there I witnessed numerous people falling such was the conditions of the away part of the ground. Do you think that is acceptable for the any match, never mind the top division in the country?

When you concede/rebut my points and answer my questions, then we can move to yours.
16/02/2009, 10:09 AM
David

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

When you concede/rebut my points and answer my questions, then we can move to yours.

It is the only ground where I have witnessed numerous people falling so I would say that it is more dangerous than other grounds.
17/02/2009, 12:40 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by David

It is the only ground where I have witnessed numerous people falling so I would say that it is more dangerous than other grounds.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

When you concede/rebut my points and answer my questions, then we can move to yours.

.....
24/02/2009, 1:44 AM
JerseyRed

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Originally Posted by David

On both occasions that Linfield played league games there I witnessed numerous people falling such was the conditions of the away part of the ground. Do you think that is acceptable for the any match, never mind the top division in the country?

Perhaps these people were standing in parts of the ground that is not deignated for spectators?:rolleyes: They've got terracing which passes the criteria.
24/02/2009, 8:46 AM
David

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Originally Posted by JerseyRed

Perhaps these people were standing in parts of the ground that is not deignated for spectators?:rolleyes: They've got terracing which passes the criteria.

And I have saw people slip on the terracing which is also covered in mud.
25/02/2009, 12:04 AM
Graemerz

Face it Parker, the ground is a shi*thole that isn't up to a standard and the only reason they got into the league was because they kicked up a stink.
25/02/2009, 12:43 AM
SolitudeRed

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Face it Parker, the ground is a shi*thole that isn't up to a standard and the only reason they got into the league was because they kicked up a stink.

We all know Suffolk road isn't great but it must have fulfilled the licensing criteria after all we were able to play there at the begining of the season while the work was ongoing at Solitude.
27/02/2009, 12:11 AM
JerseyRed

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Originally Posted by David

And I have saw people slip on the terracing which is also covered in mud.

oh FFS:rolleyes:
01/03/2009, 3:08 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by David

On both occasions that Linfield played league games there I witnessed numerous people falling such was the conditions of the away part of the ground. Do you think that is acceptable for the any match, never mind the top division in the country?

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Originally Posted by David

It is the only ground where I have witnessed numerous people falling so I would say that it is more dangerous than other grounds.

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Originally Posted by David

And I have saw people slip on the terracing which is also covered in mud.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

When you concede/rebut my points and answer my questions, then we can move to yours.

Still unable to answer but still prepared to trot out that old line. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Face it Parker, the ground is a shi*thole that isn't up to a standard and the only reason they got into the league was because they kicked up a stink.

1. The grounds met the standard.
2. What stink was that/ The one when they had to take the Irish Football League to court along with Lurgan Celtic on the basis of discrimination and the one which the IFL settled out of court? :rolleyes:
01/03/2009, 8:10 PM
Graemerz

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

:rolleyes:

Still unable to answer but still prepared to trot out that old line. :rolleyes:

1. The grounds met the standard.
2. What stink was that/ The one when they had to take the Irish Football League to court along with Lurgan Celtic on the basis of discrimination and the one which the IFL settled out of court? :rolleyes:

IFL ran scared.
02/03/2009, 7:59 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

IFL ran scared.

Of being publically 'outed'
02/03/2009, 12:55 PM
EalingGreen

I don't know the exact circumstances about Donegal Celtic/Suffolk Road etc, but I suspect that with the IL/IFA having treated DCFC harshly in the past, and all the legal threats and bad publicity etc which followed, when it came to licensing the ground for senior football last time, they treated them leniently.

And if by doing so, the IFA/IL was tacitly admitting that they'd been harsh in the past, DCFC will also have given the IFA/IL to understand they would get the ground up to standard asap, in recognition of the new dispensation.

Subsequently, with "the slate having been wiped clean", when it came to Licensing the club (i.e. more than just the ground) for IPL purposes this season, DCFC fell short on the total number of points needed. I suspect that had they made good on the (implied) undertaking to improve Suffolk Road, this might have earned them enough points to have got into the IPL ahead of Bangor.

Consequently, my guess is that whilst Suffolk Road does have a License, it still isn't genuinely up to the standard that that implies.

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