Stop it will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
We've only just come out of trouble, I don't have the energy to dive straight back in.
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Stop it will you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
We've only just come out of trouble, I don't have the energy to dive straight back in.
We'll have to come up with something in Limerick soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Time was we were easily the biggest jokeshop in the league, now we're struggling to compete.
Don't worry I'm sure something to restore the natural order is just around the corner though.............
I'm no legal eagle but if Cork City have come out of examinership, then surely all current contracts must be valid. Whether they can afford to pay the contract is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I would expect Matthews to demand the two years left on his contract be paid in full. He offered to take a pay cut but was told he was not wanted.
With the s**t off the pitch last season I would imagine he will be determined to get compensation as he has certainly earned it.
That's not what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by wexfordned
The only issue to CCFC is whether it can be interpreted that compensation is due to Mathews, if it's not, then it's probably the best deal for the club given his reported wages. If compensation is due, it's a daft move and unlikely to add up.
Cork have their own Danny Drew now. I'd be a little amused if our own wasn't waking from his torpor and casting his eye for a local football club to consume...
I still find it very amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Difference is that the new Cork Spoofer has Delaney on his sideQuote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
But they can afford to re-sign players on full time contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
This could get messy. Just taken this from RTE website:
Cork City have sacked manager Alan Mathews after just one season in charge.
Alan Mathews reveals exclusively to Drivetime Sport that he was sacked.
A statement on the club's website confirmed that they had suspended discussions and withdrawn all recent offers to Mathews regarding a new contract at Turner's Cross.
And Mathews has since confirmed that he was relieved of his duties as manager during a phone call with club Chairman Tom Coughlan this morning and that he will consult with his legal team to investigate the avenues open to him.
Speaking exclusively to Des Cahill on RTÉ Radio 1's Drivetime Sport, the former Longford Town boss revealed: 'Unfortunately Des, I received a phone call this morning from the chairman Tom Coughlan advising me that I was no longer the manager, and having got over the initial shock, it set in a little bit and I realise now that I am finished and it's deeply upsetting.'
The club had earlier posted an ambiguous statement on their website which suggested that Mathews had left the club, without laying out the particular details of his departure.
But Mathews insisted: 'I refute what was said on the club website, that's going to be a matter for my legal team to take issue with, but the situation is Des that I had fully intended on fulfilling the remaining two years on my contract with the club, and what's most disappointing is that the opportunity to work with a terrific bunch of players has been denied to me.'
Despite the abruptness of his departure, Mathews believes his tenure has been relatively successful given the club's off-field problems, and also paid tribute to the club's many fans who made his move to Cork enjoyable from day one.
He added: 'I'm disappointed but one thing I would like to say to the people of Cork who received me down there, and my family, I'd like to thank them because I was made to feel very, very welcome and I thoroughly enjoyed my 12 months there, or 11 months as it happened to be.'
So who should Cork fans believe. Matthews or the new chairman. Hmmmmmm I think a poll is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I love the close season. :)
The way Alan Matthews has been treated by CCFC is absolutely disgraceful, it is just another nail in the coffin of the Eircom League, we are talking about people's livelihoods, I hope he gets full compensation through the courts.They probably have the replacement manager already in place before they sacked him,shame on CCFC.
Will you get out of that, this happens on a much greater scale in every major league in Europe every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackcastle
How can you compare Eircom League with Europe !!!
We're also talking about the viability of clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackcastle
CCFC got into the mess this year was in lagre part paying wages beyond our means, if Mathews would not negotiate a contract at a wage the club could afford they are correct to let him go, it's terrible for AM, but no-one is bigger than the club.
On the other hand, if compensation will be due, it's just a mess.
In that case why are CCFC signing players on full time contracts if they already have contracts that they cannot afford? Surely the sensible thing would be to wait and see if these contracts can be renegotiated before going and signing new contracts?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
It seems bizarre. :confused:
The only one who has singed a new full time contract is hoggy. Davin and Murray are both reportedly part time and gamble and Behan were already under contract, they were just taking pay cuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Still though, why sign new players at all if you can't afford them? Part time or full time..Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
On the one hand you are getting rid of the manager because you cannot afford him but on the other you are bringing in new signings..
He always has the Bank job to go back too........oh wait...........
Seriously though, he would be top of the list of a few clubs I would have thought. Bad move by Coughlan if what is being suggested in this thread is correct. I'm loving the shrug of the shoulders by some city fans "Cant pay what we dont have" attitude, If Coughlan has boobooed than you will have to pay what you dont have.
I thought those contracts were null & void ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
We only had 7 players, if we want to play in any league we needed a few more, even if cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
The manager was on huge money, reportedly more than Dolan and Rico were on combined. He's being sacked for someone a hell of a lot cheaper which will allow us to bring in a couple opf players and a manager for the same money
City fans reaction as far as I can see, is that if we have to pay out full compensation then its the most ridiculous decision in a long time, considering our situationQuote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
But if we get away with none or little compensation, then its the right decision.
I dunno what coughlan is thinking or what he's been advised but teh amount fo compensation paid will decide whether this was a good move. Its not as clear cut as either it is or it isnt
Did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I dunno tbh, but I would see players contracts as different because whether they were legally valid or not, we wouldnt get a premier license without honouring them which would be a big motivation.
i only heard the news at half six this evenin.. its a shock to hear the news... whats going to happen next?? rico comes back or god forsake dolan?? whos bein linked with the job now??
i personally think matthews has being let down badly he goes down to ye because our committee lets him down off the pitch and now this happens to him... i feel very sorry for the bloke after taking leave from his regular job and having moved down?? why does coughlan say about the two year deal being agreed? its certainly gettin stranger and stranger..:(
I'm sure you could get cheaper players if you tried though.. Youths? Amateurs? Obviously, I can see why you want to bring in good players though..Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
However, if this ends up in court it won't look too good for CCFC if they are ripping up their manager's contract while also bringing in players (even if you only have 7) at the same time..
It'll be interesting to see what avenue Mathews goes down.
Your manager is part of the same condition for Licencing is he not?. Nobody's arguing that he wasn't on a high wage but he'd agreed to take a cut. Surely the figure is the first thing that's discussed even if the deal wasn't 100% agreed, for your chairman and general manager to come out and say they'd agreed a new two year deal with him would suggest he wasn't going to stick to an extortionate wage. Coughlan may feel that by the time Mathews gets any compensation awarded to him either he won't be there or he'll have found some way of covering it by then.
We brought in 1 full timer and 2 part timers....at teh same time reducing the wages of 2 players. Doesnt really seem like going all out to meQuote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Tbh i havent a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
The only thing I can think of is that they claim Mathews wages was an Arkaga contract which doesnt fit in to the new wage structure and isnt affordable by the club, while the other 3 contracts are within the wage structure/budget given in during examinership.
As I said though I dont know what will happen with it, but it will decide how I feel about it
I dont think so but Im not 100% on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Rumour is that while an original deal was agreed, Mathews came back wanting a few extra things that would push up the price, we said we couldnt afford it and he said he wasnt signing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I actually started a thread a couple of days ago asking about confirmation that Mathews signed, wondering why he hadnt.
Devil in the detail I suppose, who is the likely replacement? even in the short term?
No idea tbh, everyones being mentioned at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Personally I think itl be local and cheap
Did he though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Well nobody knows for sure but he'd indicated his willingness to do so in interviews and the most reasonable conclusion to draw from your chairman announcing he'd agreed a new deal would be that he was willing to take a cut. Now maybe it came apart at the last minute but from Mathews' interview he genuinely didn't see it coming and seems to feel the negotiations will be important for his case. Just to go back to micls' post above I just checked the rule again and the manager does come under the same provison as the players for Licencing. "The licence applicant must prove that... it has no payables overdue towards employees or Revenue/social/tax authorities as at November 30 of the year preceding the season to be licensed unless by the following January 31 they have been fully settled, deferred by mutual agreement with the creditor or are subject to a not obviously unsound dispute submitted to a competent authority.". So it doesn't seem to me you can acknowledge some contracts and not others.
but if that were the case the same would be applicable to our backroom staff, shop staff etc and they are definitely not getting all their money.
I was under the impression it was just players
They may have agreed to defer it or write it off, both of which are acceptable. It's when there's no agreement or the agreement isn't adhered to that the problem arises.
What's the point of having a full time manager on huge wages if your team is going to be part-time and amateur, who's he going to spend his time training if they have to get off work to train? The wage Mathews was rumoured to be on was a bit much to work in the club shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
If the rumours are true he'd want to be managing, playing working in the club shop and the CEOQuote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I was never his biggest fan but even I would have liked him to have gotten a shot at next season [as with Rico before him, I find the idea of sacking a manager who brings in silverware to be daft].
The fact of the matter is if employing him meant we were spending beyond our means, he had to go.
We're aiming, if TC is to be believed, at having 16 full time players and a full-time manager next season and there is a fixed budget for that. If Mathews moving on means that we're more viable next season, it's for the best.
If we end up with a court battle and paying compensation [effectively paying two managers for the year] then it's a stupid stupid decision.
The big question [the compensation one aside] really is why the contract that both parties admit was agreed to was never signed, obviously one of two things happened after the agreement, the club tried to take something out or Mathews tried to put something in.
I don't mean to be harping on at ye but I'm just bored and curious, how much roughly do people reckon would the deal he had agreed more or less and the amount you pay your new manager will be?. Obviously his old contract wasn't sustainable everyone knows that but just how much out of bounds was this new one that it seems was almost done?. It sounds to me from the interviews that Mathews didn't get much of a chance to think about the terms on offer and whether he'd come down that little bit more?.
You're mixing legal and emotional/rational points though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Rationally it wouldn't make any sense to pay a Manager big sums if you can't afford to.
Legally - if that's the contract you have him on and he doesn't agree to changing it, then that's what he's entitled to demand, end of story.
The law doesn't care if you can't fulfil your agreements - unles you want to avoid them totally by being wound-up, that is.
But he didnt sign the new deal......
lets put it this way, unless he was taking a near on50% pay cut(highly doubtful) then he'd still be on more than any other manager we've had.
If we paid a new man what Rico or Dolan was on(still too much imo) , then we'd be almost halving the money paid out based on the original contract
No, he's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
He's saying if it was possible to sack him with little or no compensation then its the right decision but if we have to pay him the full amount then its a stupid decision.
Thought he made that fairly clear.
I dont know what will happen legally, if theres some loophole. Do you?