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Originally Posted by the seagull
but then surely a rugby game would break out?
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Originally Posted by the seagull
but then surely a rugby game would break out?
i forgot to mention that this 'hard lad' is sporting the latest in dubarry footwear.
His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game :D
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Originally Posted by the seagull
now that would be good..brings a new meaning to "supporters games"
Even in Slovenia, a country with a small league of a low standard and no great footballing tradition, I've seen ultras with far more intensity and passion than in the LOI. The attempts at copying continental ultra culture often feel very forced as opposed rather than having organically developed. A bit like when you hear the many chants lifted from the English game at LOI grounds that are chanted with an English accent.
Personally, I love the game of football and actually enjoy concentrating on and watching the game. Sure, I enjoy chanting and getting involved in the atmosphere but primarily I'm there to see what's going on on the pitch. Watching Olimpijia Ljubljana games over the years I've seen lads with their backs turned to the pitch for 90 minutes leading chants and threatning to beat up those who wanted to sit down for a minute. It reminds you of your priorities in actually being at the match, to enjoy the game.
That's when you lot were in the Premier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
There's a very real hatred there, but does it manifest itself in a violent way regularly? If it does then surely the fine rags that this country has to offer would be all over it, not to mention the forums of this website?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey Killester
Really it's quite irrelevant. Some people will continue to call themselves Ultras and assign there own meaning to the term and thankfully, at least in the context of our club, that's fairly benign.
couldnt have put it better myself salvadorQuote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Reading through this thread and the cringeworthy posts the only decent post was joey Killesters. There are some good groups in Ireland and the mentality is increasing each season. I have to laugh at people who haven't a clue about the culture saying Irish groups would be laughed at by our European counterparts. There is a growing respect for the Irish ultra scene you have to remember its only a fairly new here compared to 30-40 years in other countries. Also when people say we're trying to be like the Italians we're not we're trying to create our own scene. Like it or not the ultra culture is part of the league of Ireland now and is here to stay
Face it "Ultras" and "Barra Brava" tend to be a well organized groups, with specific area in the stadium, they use businesses run by their peers rather than outsiders, have a dress code, a command structure and generate revenue from thier "activities" (selling unofficial merchandise and kicking the sh** out of anyone who tries to do likewise, getting "sponsorship" from certain bars for example) they are often in a position to influence and pressure clubs where club presidents are elected by members rather than appointed as the case here, and in case anyone was in any doubt don't be so stupid as to buy the line that they're a "supporters club" or a "society" or anything like that... they organise violence and make money (for the top dogs) from the power they have over the clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by the seagull
We have nothing like that and to suggest that we do is nonsense, and like I said...a bunch of scummy teens acting up doesn't constitute an Ultra group!
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Originally Posted by Sean South
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words fail me!
I can say the same about your postsQuote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Anyone who has 'respect' for the 'Irish Ultra Scene' (as though it deserves capitals *shudder*) is either using serious drugs or has been lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean South
What exactly will this scene of yours be like? A load of middle-class kids who love to think they're working class waving flags at games, singing stolen chants, obstructing everyone else's view with flares - which by the way is the cheapest way to 'create an atmosphere' imaginable - and causing the odd ruckus ''down the pub; bit of 'argy bargy innit?''
This ''part of the league'' accommodates the kids and families we're trying to draw to games how exactly? We're actually supposed to be trying to encourage younger attendees to become fans or footballers not lazy lay about scum who worry more about what they're drinking, or with whom they're fighting, after the game than the game itself.:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: What has this last paragraph and "british game" comment got to do with this thread. Cheap shotQuote:
Originally Posted by GenerationXI
Fair comment. It shall be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by srfc1928
Why? It wasn't that cheap a shot tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenerationXI
I can't believe the fervour people are displaying about what is basically semantics in this thread. Basically everybody agrees that colour and noise are a good thing at games. The 'Ultra' Culture (or should that be The Ultra 'Culture' :p) is just a label. To be fairly blunt about it if you go to a football match looking for a fight you're an absolute waste of oxygen. If you go to make a lot of noise and wave flags etc etc then regardless of whether you're in a group of one or one thousand I salute your enthusiasm at least. Brainless chants annoy me though...
What is the actual discussion here again? :confused:
From what I can see-people dotn like other people calling themselves ultras....for some strange inexplicable reason since it in no way affects themQuote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Ah I see it now, you've got it completely right, it's Irish people being Irish then. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Really? Have you not read threads on this website before? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Who cares what you or your fruit based counterparts think. You'll never get it will you?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yeah this is utterly retarded to be honest. Rambling Along dislikes kids who think they're hard and want to fight other kids and the more cerebral of us agree prima facie with that while the more intellectually challenged have tried to grapple with their own sense of identity, namely, the quandry presented by trying to balance being cool with being a moron. I refrain from tossing out pen and sword metaphors here, but to echo the sentiments of most of the more coherent posters and condense the corpus of argument into one simple maxim for the mongoloids to understand: Violence = Bad.
1. What has this got to do with the Ultras scene in Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by GenerationXI
2. Are you Rico in disguise?
GenerationXI you haven't a clue:rolleyes: I don't see why non ultras get so worked up about groups of lads using the word ultras when it's none of there concern. If you're not part of the scene you won't get it and as for the people who use wikipedia to define the ultras mentality all I can say is :rolleyes:
Touche! I should know better by now for sure. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
How a UCD fan can give anyone grief about how they support their team is unbelievable!
BTW, meant to say earlier, there have been Ultras groups in Ireland for over ten years. SEI and SRFC Ultras were the first afaik and obviously weren't influenced by Ardal O'Hanlon! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brianw82
I think that before people start posting rubbish, they should make sure they know what they are talking about.
Ultra culture in its essence is quite an admirable thing for a club to have, and I mean the Ultra culture without violence. If every team was to have large bands of fans that put time and effort into tifo displays, never sat down, and sang for their team for 90 minutes home and away no matter what the score I think football would be in a much better place. We have to remember that not ALL ultras are hooligans too. I realise that the like of the Italian 'Ultras' have scared off families and normal supporters from going to games for fear of violence and intimidation which has led to a huge drop in ticket sales for Serie A & B, I even have a mate who lives in Rome, is a huge Lazio fan, sits in Curva Nord, holds a season ticket but STILL picks his games carefully and never messes with the irriducibili. I think it's ridiculous. I support a Swedish team ,Djurgården, and although they do have a firm, they're ultras are non violent and brilliant supporters, I've been to games, home and away, and never failed to be impressed by their commitment to their team, I think if ultras could be more like that we'd all enjoy going to games a lot more.
Firstly, the idea of an open forum is for people to air their opinions on things which are essentially none of their concern. If the opposite was true then people would confine themselves to their own clubs' threads. Basically, the reason people find the use of the word laughable is because it's taken almost completely out of context in Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Star
I've never used wikipedia as a source for a definition of ultras. But common sense and reading books about the culture in, inter alia, Italy, Germany, Britain and Eastern Europe, aswell as South America would tell anyone with opposable thumbs that the groups in those areas bare ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE to the 'ultras' in Ireland. Thus, it is one thing to adopt the moniker of a group of people whose behaviour one is mimicking, it is another entirely to take something, which by many people's admission, is vastly different and apply the same label.
This argument is basically about terminology and you can't expect us pedants not to get worked up over it. It is illogical to spawn a group out of nothing and adopt the label of another. This is why, for example, there are no NAZIs today - to call anyone a NAZI is to desregard the fact that they are not a member of the National Sozialismus Partei Deutschlands which was disbanded at the end of the war. For new groups and movements new names are created, but there is no god who could help this league if ingenuity and creativity were traits of its fans. :rolleyes:
I have to agree, although their aims may be similar, Ireland, up till now at least, has never come close to the likes of this:Quote:
But common sense and reading books about the culture in, inter alia, Italy, Germany, Britain and Eastern Europe, aswell as South America would tell anyone with opposable thumbs that the groups in those areas bare ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE to the 'ultras' in Ireland.
*ahem* ignore the 'hooligans.cz' bit, they just host the image.
http://ultras-not-huligans.weblog.ro...St.Etienne.jpg
I'll say again that there are no proper Ultra groups in Ireland, this is where my bone of contention lies with groups calling themselves Ultra
I have never seen an Eircom team (and I think I've seen them all live at this stage)that sings for 90 minutes for one, none of us do. There are singular games where this might happen sure, but for visits by lower clubs it doesn't, not here. People use the Shamrock Rovers Ultras as the focal point for the Irish Ultras movement as apparantly they are the best, but when they were in the First Division I didn't see any of it in our matches against them. They sang as much as you'd expect someone to sing would, there was no displays, and in general were a bit quiet for their second visit after the trouble at their first visit.
This is why I say that proper Ultras groups from Italy, Eastern Europe, wherever would laugh at Irish Ultras if they could actually see them in action
Amazing. Any idiot can light a few flares in a crowd at night time and wave a few flags but this is the balls. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Djrgrn
Or they could just take your word seeing as you're the expert on this matter. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
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Originally Posted by Djrgrn
Sure they can't even see the match :D;)
Sure even the players aren't into the match...
More in common with our league than immediately appeared evident. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Djrgrn
haha, brilliant.
Have you never been to a Derry game then? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
sorry but some of the absolute sh!te on this thread is unreal.
If you see a number of young lads hangin around after games they are either: wannabe casuals or scumbags doing waht they do best.'ultras' wont be involved!
None of the ultra groups in Ireland are the ones causing trouble outside grounds. Has anyone ever heard of the under 5's ,BSC, or even SSC and CCC???
Most people here are talking about stuff that they think they no but really dont.
Well at least you admit you are a pedant. Nazism is an ideology based on Hitlers thought, so there can be Nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenerationXI
I've been at three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Did they sing for 90 minutes??
Did they fook!!
All I can ever hear is the drum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die