Bhs, they're not infallible but they're pretty accurate. Broadcasters take tough decisions based on these ratings all the time. Major shows get cancelled if they're not cutting the mustard and unlikely hits are recognised and recommissioned.
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Bhs, they're not infallible but they're pretty accurate. Broadcasters take tough decisions based on these ratings all the time. Major shows get cancelled if they're not cutting the mustard and unlikely hits are recognised and recommissioned.
Hhhhmmmm, I heard all this before but still have my suspicisions. The wikipedia page on tv ratings is interesting to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
I read freakonomics this week, so am questioning alot of these "givens".
If a random sample is to be scientifically accurate then the sample size should be fairly large, so I find it a bit bizarre that I have NEVER come across a friend, neighbour, workmate, relation etc, or even friend of a friend who had one of these boxes at home!?
Has even here EVER seen one of these or know someone who had one!?
bhs
I don't know anyone either. You would think that you would come across someone at some stage. Maybe they don't existQuote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
I knew a guy who had it in his house before when he was renting.
or are all located in houses in the Donnybrook area ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
bhs
There's only a few hundred of them; and I have known of someone who had one - but currently not.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
Having worked in TV, I don't trust them as far as I could throw them - or the company running them either (both here and the UK). Too many points of failure - too small an audience set; majority of homes are middle class, dual income, two kids setups; can't guarantee everyone in the house really bothers with the box, and so on. The UK ratings used to report 'zero or close to zero' ratings - e.g. no boxes - during shows when we knew we had thousands of viewers due to SMS volume...
I thought every t.v bought in the last 10 yrs or so has one of them built into tthe t.v set,is this true??
Boy talk about going off topic,what were we talking about again????;).
Thats shocking bad if true considering British football gets huge media coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
Ive noticed big time that people don't really care about any sport this year whether it be GAA, British football or Ireland Internationals. And its all down to money. The players are getting paid too much and are made out to be Gods for just kickign a football around. Too much money will eventually ruin any sport. Thank God half the clubs in Britain are going bust too.
In the case of GAA the ticket prices and rumours about players/managers getting paid as well as fraud rumours are destroying it.
What address was it sent to? PM me if you wouldn't mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Maribor
Personally i have no problem with it. They made a 'Public' charter available to people to subscribe to a few years ago, but no one was able to do actually that. I dont know do they grasp the whole 'public', 'national broadcaster' and 'taxpayers money' thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
I have been saying it for years. The complete hypocrisy during the Olympics with RTE Presenters and Commentators demanding to have the answer as to why we were doing so bad, and not one once of guilt for their neglect for the last four years for this campaign, and all the years before that.
I know they will harp on about ratings and they will make out that they have no obligation and can show where ever they deem fit but its complete bull. If you look at any other country in the run up to the Olympics, their teams were house hold names. RTE get away with murder. They haven't a leg to stand on.
Agree with initial post - attendance was terrible and while the FAI take a lot of heat, 4 of them took their entire saturday out to talk to fans - the fact that attendance was poor is disappointing.
Clearly, based on Saturday, there is a profesisonal approach being taken to the thing - based on what Padraig said (very impressive guy) we can have confidence that the whole thing is being approached properly.
Two key statements which sum the whole thing up:
He said that 80% of players are out of contract at the end of this season, so the clubs can dictate their financial health next year
The league is financially viable
I came away more confident that they are taking a professional approach to the league - yes they have and will make mistakes - who doesn't - but it was interesting
Fran Gavin and Noel Mooney travelled to Cork after that and didn't finish up until after 10.00 or 11.00.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Up against Eastenders and Corrie I would've thought that was pretty good going tbh. Whilst I appreciate the costs would be more for the football show, 8pm other week nights on RTE2 is brought in wildlife documentaries, so it obviously isn't that important a slot for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
On the actual forum, I was under the impression it was invited, representative, fans rather than an open invite?
I suspect their endless use of Charlie McKeever is due to a complete dearth of Irish-speaking individuals withe experience/knowledge of the league. As I raised previously in a thread on this matter, the contrast with Wales is astounding - where a large proportion of managers and players are interviewed in Welsh regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
If Roddy Collins learned a cupla focal he'd be on there regularly....:eek:
3 fans from each club, left up to fans of each club to work out who they sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Email list was from previous Forum before the season, which itself was drawn from the previous NLSA/Fans forum lists.
If anyone from a club that wasn't represented wants to get involved suggest they call or email Noel Mooney. If anyone from a club doesn't know who represented their club, then I'd say Noel will also provide that info.
The big positive for me was that all 4 attendees are passionate about the League. Obviously there's a lot going on at the minute, some good, some not so good, but that gave me a bit of comfort.
Yeah it is invite only but each club is asked to send a 3 people to it. The realy funny thing is that Pats and Rovers who say they are BIG clubs didn't send anyone but Dublin City, a club that went under still showed an intrest and went !!! I would have also expected Drogheda to have been there with the situation up there they would have seen why they are in the trouble they are in. I suppose for some it is easier to bang on here than face the people they slag off day in day out. The good thing is that for us that were there it was shown how open things are now and clubs have to be honest which makes for a level playing field in the future.
Whilst there will never be a 100% precise way of measuring ratings, as someone who used to work in both advertising and marketing the current system is relatively reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackholesun
There is so much money tied-up in the advertising industry, and the current system has been around for so many decades, that you can be sure it would be dropped like a hot stone if it was deemed seriously flawed or if a better system existed.
Those who handle the advertising budgets in big commercial companies aren't idiots, and have a lot of influence. If a small number of them demanded change (or even if only one huge advertiser like Procter & Gamble did) it would happen...
Maribor, you might PM me with what Waterford United address the invite was sent to as well, there's obviously a communications break there somewhere. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
On the attendance/non attendance, can anyone tell me where the FAI got their mailling list? I read about it here.
Any thing else come of the meeting apart from the RTE thing?
(and thanks to Kev for the update)
Entirely untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
I got an e-mail from Alan Kearins (not sure of exact spelling, sorry) about this as I was at the last meeting but I also got an email from UCD so the clubs must have been asked to get some supporters' representatives along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
Just think about the electronic logistics of it for a start. How exactly would the TV communicate the information back to wherever it needs to go to be collated ? It would need some form of transmitter to send stuff out, not just receive it. And if TV's had a transmitter of some sort in them, you'd know all about it.
Also - I suspect it would be considered an unnecessary infringment of privacy for people to have their viewing habits recorded, stored and colated withoiut their permission. Wouldn't stand-up to any legal challenge I strongly suspect.
Re: Attendance
I always get the impression the mailing list the FAI use isn't the best or else Supporters clubs don't see much gain from attending or not. I would have gone but was only asked last week & was too short notice.
Can people take the TV discussion off-topic?
On the address list, its clearly not ideal, so if you want to get on it email Noel Mooney.
As I said, the list originated from the people who were the FAI contacts at each club for the Eircom League section at the international games, which Soccerc was instrumental in setting up.
So blame him ;):D
Seriously though, if anyone knows Noel Mooney, he's an extremely open guy and he will be more than happy to add your name, or if there are already reps from a club, put you in touch with them so you can take things up directly with them.
Section O was represented. I was just querying it because of the line being taken about keyboard warriors saying stuff here and then not turning up to the meeting where they had the chance to ask the hard questions. Pretty hard to go if you weren't invited or asked to go as a representative, so people were hardly running from the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Lads, in fairness, this site also had a banner advertising the event for the last 2 or 3 weeks - when searched, it brought up a set of instructions, including emailing Noel Mooney with required attendances.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Adam, is my memory accurate or am I going mad ?
But the amazing thing is neither does the Government. To see that Enviro Neo Con Eamon Ryan saying "RTE are correct in showing Eastenders" says to me there is something more going on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
You do have to wonder some days if Freemason/Murdoch/Globalisation or some similar has to pulling the strings behind the scenes. RTE is actively working on destroying our national culture and industry. Why? Every penny RTE spends on imports they are robbing it from the TV and Film production company here. How expensive can it been to make a home-grown documentary consideing peoplecan do it on YouTube for free? Economics as well as any sense of public broadcasting service always takes second place to RTE getting as much Murdoch as posible into Irish homes.
Eastenders on the same time on RTE as BBC. Terrible US chick shows which get terrible ratings they fight to bid on... They are completely twisted and surreal in just about every way possible. Apparently RTE's latest cut back is that staff have make their own coffee. Poor dears.
I tell you the more I live, the more lies I see in media, the more destruction I see of nation states, the current communisation of banking the more I am starting think that David Icke was right after all.
Since when is foot.ie supposed to be representative of LOI supporters? PLenty of clubs with no, or limited representation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
It was a focus group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I don't think anybody there would claim to represent the totality of views of supporters of their respective clubs. I've actually no idea how you would achieve this democratically and still end up with a workable amount of people in the room.
Was there any more detail on this point? From the figures in the Genesis Report, a 50% increase in league revenue adds up to an increase of 8 to 10 million euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribor
It seems to me that attendances in the league haven't grown by anywhere near 50%. Was there any breakdown of where this money came from?
I thought they were looking for 3 representatives from each club?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Noel requested that was put up earlier in the week, and it was the first that alot of us heard of it. The email method is the correct one as it contacts the groups who would be most likely to attend. The thing is fans of the clubs who weren't there need to ensure that this list is up to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Also, it would have helped if people mentioned it on here when they heard of it on 9th of Sept, but such is life.
I imagine a sizeable chunk of it was accounted for by increase in prize money, increase in Euro qualification mioney, CPO money etc. I also wonder if they put a notional value against MNS or not ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Attendances would only have increased by a small amount.
They were, but I'm not sure if that gets you much closer to democratically representing the views of all a particular club's fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It doesn't but it gives a far better view than if 6/7 clubs are represented
Thanks for replying to Angus in the first place A Face. For myself, I checked among some of the usual syuspects at my club and two supporters of my club were going. Representative of me or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
But why would I mention that the FAI are holding a public meeting on this website. That would only encourage the anti-FAI, anti-Irish Football element. There's enough of them at my club already.
Sorry, crossed purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Yes, totally agree that more clubs should have been there, hopefully there will be better representation at the next one now that more people know about it.
But, by the same token, it sounds like some people were contacted, couldn't go/didn't want to go and didn't bother trying to get people to go in their stead. The buck stops with those people in that case.
Just checked the email list, dunno if this was mentioned already in the post but
the only Clubs who did not have a contact email on it were : Monaghan, Kildare, Cobh, Shels, Waterford & Sporting Fingal.
And of those missing from the list, Shels had a 2 reps there
That figure was surprising to me too (about 8 million is right). It was queried, and Smith said 30% of it (I think he meant 30 of the 51%) was from investment (and not directors' loans or anything - proper investment).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
**** off Harpo. You were on the mailing list that got the notice. You replied to none of the emails, including ones which indicated a vacancy when Pineapple Stu dropped out last week. It seems you didn't even read them - three of us went, not two.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
Thanks,Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I'd be a little weary then of presenting the information in this format:
since the column on the left includes a large amount of capital income and the one on the right contains current expenditure.Quote:
In 2005 revenue in the League grew by 2%, wages by 23%
In 2006 revenue in the League grew by 5%, wages by 15%
In 2007 revenue in the League grew by 15%,wages by 31%
In 2008 revenue in the League grew by 51%,wages by 26%