Dundalk. Also, you played us at home on 8 September.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
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Dundalk. Also, you played us at home on 8 September.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
Forgot about it being cancelled the first time. Still it will be close on 5 weeks before we get to play Shelbourne
how do you know? I'm a shareholder & I've no idea what our current financial position is?Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Well ORA if we are in diffs i'm sure it would have been made clear by now. Also do you think Kenny would have signed players like Stewart and Dennehy if we were in trouble. I'm by no means saying everything is rosey, but with the McCourt deal and success lately surely you can see things should be going well for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Contract coming to an end. They were lucky in that they got the deal when they did, just months before our Euro run for 40k. I'm sure we can negotiate a greater deal next year with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Well we've had plenty of income this past few weeks from gate receipts alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by City till I Die
Iceman - those 2 game won't meet the Drogs wage bill for a week. Out of the bohs match you have to take the season tickets and Bohs will want their €10,000. The Setanta gate will have to be divided with Glentoran.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
Derry aren't as financially healthy as you might think. I know they owe UCD money, and have heard rumours of more. The question is whether they're just struggling to make ends meet or in serious debt.
They're just that. Lets be honest, if we were in serious debt the board would be urging crowds to attend, have fundraisers all over the place etc..We made a tidy sum from both the McCourt and Sammon deal. Ticket prices were £25 and £20 for the Celtic game with an estimated 5000 there.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Thats more money. We had a good crowd in against Linfield on Monday night, thats more money in. Yes its going straight back out but I doubt we are in serious trouble
Those will help, but you'll forgive me for thinking of similar statements from Shels and Drogs fans in the past, to mention just two.
Thats fair enough but we're getting bigger crowds at the Brandywell than those 2 tbh. This isnt including half time draws, programme sales etc..They are poor atm but hopefully they will lift.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
People are forgetting that although our squad and management team is full-time, our club is essentially part-time at administration level. There are only a few ful-time staff at our club, the rest are volunteers
You're probably not in serious trouble but didn't I read something about Derry cutting back for next year, going back to part time players?.
[QUOTE=pineapple stu;1036553]Lost E2m last year; says it all really.
Good news for the league overall though.
Alot of people may loose their livelihood
The 'i told you so' feeling must make you feel all warm inside
I bet your the kind of smartarse who laughs at funerals.
Jack cleared our debts but we aren't in financial trouble because of our tight control on wages this year. We're paying out in one week what Drogheda are paying one of their high earners basically and the club has been run very well by everyone concerned this year. How come you don't mention that Wexford aren't in trouble because of Wallace? Or Rovers because the FAI picked up their bill for the Thomas Hardy nonsense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
Anyway, someone wake me up when the FAI promote us in place of Cork, Bohs, Drogs, Sligo or whoever the hell else goes bankrupt
Trust me CTID , Meteor have finished with Derry , no more money will be exchanged. My info is 100%.
It really would, there would have to be some sort of arrangements made to have Drogs in some shape or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by all drogged up
I think we can safely say that Limerick aren't in fiancial bother - if you can afford to throw money away on coach trips to go on a short sightseeing tour in Wexford then all is well...
George O'CallaghanQuote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
George O'Callaghan trumps all, it's the new So's your face :p
You could write a book on that one alright Jebus ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Have Drogs any plans to back pay the players wages they arent going to pay?
It will be interesting to see what the PFAI have to say I remember them giving out about wage cuts
How many Drogheda players have contracts for next year?
its disgraceful for a country of so many football fans that the entire league is on the brink of extinction. i am a big celtic follower but i'm a fairly regular visitor to loi games. based in clonmel its usually either cork or waterford basically whoever is at home.take a club like waterford for example in a county with a very strong junior league and just a general big soccer following in my opinion should be gettin 10-15000 each home game, Cork 20000 easy, limerick 10000 and so on. I mean this could be a really great product. people give out about the standard but its catch 22 better support means better finances means better standards all round. By all means support your big english teams and the likes of celtic but throw €15-€20 the way of your local club every other week and a bit of vocal support. thats how we progress all round thats how a loi club will break into the uefa cup group stages thats how the irish senior team will progress further. I mean with a bit of support we really could have an outstanding product on a par but perhaps even better than the spl in scotland I mean why not? its up to the public out there!!
Once again another club that has bought the title through paying UNREALISTIC wages to their players falls on its own sword!! This has to stop or the future is dark, very dark. I would hazard a guess on the wages in Drogheda and in order to make them go bust considering they had league/setanta cup/european money the wages must be HUGE! And before anyone comes on saying ah no its because of this and that dont waste your energy. Clubs are paying CRAZY money to players. Previously I was shocked at Michael Keanes wages:eek: and was told about this "Cap" that all clubs must adhere too. If this is the case HOW can something like this happen? The league and clubs need to wise up and fast.
Wish it was that easy, id rather throw £20 every fortnite to Derry than £32 to Liverpool etc. The amount of bar stoolers in Ireland beggars belief. 90% of Liverpool fans in Ireland wouldnt even know the name of Liverpools training ground or their 2nd choice goalie, thats how pathetic they areQuote:
Originally Posted by bishbash
To be honest, €15 to €20 is way too much for whats on offer. Clubs have to be realistic. We're trying to attract people not deter them. €5 to €10 pricing with proper marketing and realistic playing budgets would be much better...certainly better than the extinction of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexy
The real question is...
Can Sligo Rovers make Europe at this rate?;)
as i said support the english teams all you want i'm not gonna dictate to people who to support but what i will say is that if your a football fan support football. i mean a dvd in extra vision is €6 so even a €10 for a loi is not that steep. and as i said there must be 10000 good football fans in the county of waterford! dont even travel to the away games just come out every other week for the home games! but to be honest to me it looks like the league is f@#ked!
The hilarious thing about all this is that Shels are on a relatively firm financial setting right now. Bohs to go kaboom next
Yeah but you're playing at a community sports complex next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Will Higgins be the new Pineapple Stu?
Hate to see this happening to yet another League of Ireland club
A couple of observations on the unravelling of Eircom League club's finances :
1) There is nothing inherently wrong with the concept of full-time football.
- Paying players wages that you can afford is still full-time football.
- Paying players wages you can't afford - or that are 100% ncontingent upon the fortunes of other people (e.g. property developers) or other schemes (e.g. land re-zoning, court cases) - over which you have limited or zero control, is what is wrong.
- There is no reason why we can't have full-time clubs paying wages that they CAN afford (except, that is, for my next point).
2) It all began with Ollie Byrne (RIP) and thr property boom
- The reason why a series of clubs have been paying wages they couldn't afford for the last 4-5 years can be traced back to Shelbourne earlier this decade.
- They were the first club to 'raise the bar' of Irish football - in other words to throw money at players, secure the best ones, and buy the league.
- In the process, they did indeed lift the level of football in Ireland, by luring back players from England etc. But it was a house of carsd, and led to their (and Ollie's) demise.
- The last time this money was thrown at players to buy success in Ireland was in the late 1980's at Derry City : the difference being that City could afford to pay way more than anyone else at that time.
- For the 10-15 years following, Irish football didn't go silly on wages (and suffered in Europe etc as a result...).
- That changed when the property boom led Ollie Byrne to twig that his club were sitting on a pile of property cash; which then led him to forward-spend large chunks of it to buy success by paying wages beyong the reach of other clubs.
- Where Shels led, other clubs followed. The genie was out of the bottle - the wages version of an 'arms race' had infected Irish football, and given the limited revenues within the game, it was always going to end in teras for most if not all clubs.
3) There's a reason why Drogheda were consistently unsuccessful for 42 years.
- That reason is because they are a club in a relatively small town that has no strong footballing tradition/culture.
- Hence :whilst pretty much every club in the league from a larger urban area and/or a town with a soccer tradition experienced success in the years since Drogs joined in 1963 (Athlone, Waterford, Sligo, Galway, Dundalk, Limerick, Cork, Derry) success eluded them fior 42 years. In a fairly fluid league like ours, there is usually a reason when silverware eludes you for a whopping 42 years.
Just a few observations. I await the outrageous slings and arrows from Drogs and Shels fans..... :)
you might want to do a bit of research there - drogs won the league cup in 1983 and then won the first of our 1st division titles in 1989Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The league cup doesn't count.
dont think so here, the average industraial wage is about 30000+ a year which means 1 hours work, would pay the cost of entry into grounds at E15, perfect as far as i can see, and anyway why does a club have to buy fans in such a footballing mad country, weather the GAA wanna admit or not football is the highest particapant sport in the whole country, so i say WTF, whats wrong with people, i know people who have lost there jobs 3-4 months ago, and still travel to see man u and the pool play, how do you fight this mindset,Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
how come?Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
it doesnt - its like the half time raffle at a game inQuote:
Originally Posted by ciaraa
dalyer. Fun and a small wedge of cash for the winner but purely filler for the main show...
on a more serious note, best of luck to Drogs in the future (despite all the garbage this week towards Bohs). Anyone who thinks this is good in any wa for the league is a small minded moron.
well if the main show is having to sit through a bohs game then I'll take the half time raffle any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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Originally Posted by bishbash
This is something I personally can't get my head around.Quote:
Originally Posted by don ramo
Whatever about the barstoolers and event junkies that are pretty much a lost cause, the number of footballers in the country is a large multiple of the eL fanbase. WHY?
Just giving it a quick think, out of all the friends, aquaintances and past team mates who play football at 5- and 7-a-side, NightOwls and Junior League level, no more than about 5% of them now go, or have ever gone, to Blues matches.
And most of them are, without any sense of irony, totally disparaging of a level of football that, however poor in terms of TV fare, is still way higher than any they'll ever play at.
That's what you're up against. To hear a mediocre 4b player say "I wouldn't go in to watch that sh*t" is one of life's hidden joys. :mad:
Half expecting this all season, the lack of success on the field by Doolin and his sides meant serious cash shortfalls for the budget. The plan (agree or disagree) revolved around the stadium and once this was halted by outside forces the plan came crumbling down. The irectors always said that they would cover costs until the stadium was built - so no one can claim shock at the news.
You won't find any kicking and screaming from me on this point. We overspent, depending on a dream of a stadium and we failed.
IMO we should now fold rather than revert and regress, we tried it all and we ultimately failed but at least we have some great memories. Couldnt face partime football back in the doldrums and potentially playing sides who are tenants of a college rugby side - I can go to leinster senior league and watch Boyne Rovers or Drogheda Town if that is the level of our expectations.
For me it is better to have tried and fail than to have never tried at all - (obviously my take on a well know phrase)- some will understand this and others (and we know who they are) will find this a crazy statement.
C'est la vie mon amie.
Can't bring myself to add any comment to this stomach churning statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu