Keith Fahey

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Originally Posted by youngirish

So you agree with my original point. Nice one. That wasn't so difficult now was it?

Why did you take 10 posts to rubbish a point you were in essence in agreement with. Do you ever hear voices in your head?

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All the time. ;) That said, and I almost admire your dedication to refusing to admit it, to say that Roy O'Donovan has played 'almost a dozen games' for Dundee United (comparatively or otherwise that's misleading) and that he's not getting near their first XI is not correct or accurate. I now have to go to work. You have other posters to continue arguments with. I bid you good day. :)

where are the goalposts gone?! Oh wait look they've been moved down behind the shed :D

than not then.

In fairness YI, nobody calls it the EPL, the EPL is what the yanks call the premiership. I dont think ppl have gone on about fahey like others in the past, not in this forum anyway, in the EL forum I'm sure they would all have a go at ye and say he should be captain of ireland :D<fair point neil>. The original post was about having a look at him for those who normally wouldn't get to see him play, such as myself for example. I have to say he played very well in teh first game, but one game does not a great player make, though you are only as good as your last game.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Fahey's a better passer of the ball then ANYONE in the Irish squad. He has loads of faults though (like most Irish players) but the aboive who said he goes missing in games is just plain lying. If anything he tries too hard sometimes and not everything he tries works out for him. I wouldn't pick him in my Ireland squad

BTW Ireland legend Joe O'Cearuill is our 5th choice centre half.

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First of all, I seem to remember you lauding O'Cearuill when he first joined Pat's. It doesn't even look he will even have a career in football now.

Secondly, I would take either of the Reid's over Fahey anyday. They have played at the highest level. Fahey on the otherhand looks good in what is basically a League 2 team.

Reminds me of when Cork fans wanted Joe Gamble playing for Ireland. He got his chance, but didn't have the quality in the end.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I would have McCann in well before the likes of Fahey as would most sane people.

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Your opinion of McCann is based on what you read on Burnley's fans forum. Objectivity is what your opinion is missing.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

Consider the choices, a 25 year old never will be who was deemed surplus to requirements at both Arsenal and Aston Villa who is unlikely to improve as he should now be close to this peak or a just turned 21 year old who is lighting up the Championship in England thus far with his appearances and could easily be playing in the Premiership by this stage next year.

MMmmmm let me see. Decisions, decisions.

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The decision is quite simple to me - pick both. I'm pointing out that Fahy is more deserving of a place in the B squad than 3 other players (Potter, Gibson and Rowlands).

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

in the EL forum I'm sure they would all have a go at ye and say he should be captain of ireland but not in here where we have more realistic posters

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Evidence? Or you showing your usual biases again?

Well said Paul except for the little dig at the El forum. I like Fahey I think he is the best midfielder in the League of Ireland and he would deserve a place in the Ireland B squad and so would Mc Cann and so would O Toole.

Enjoy his performance tonight as I hope he produces. He has certainly improved over the last 2 years big time but he still has the trait of running out of a bit of steam, and maybe thats cause he tries too hard. But that is only a small complaint. Is he good enough for the full Ireland squad, no would be my opinion, but neither is Liam Miller.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

In the same way as many on here were stating that Roy O'Donovan was a fine player and the best by a distance in the EPL last season? Yes that same Roy O'Donovan who can't even get into the first 11 for Dundee United and hasn't scored a single goals for them in nearly a dozen appearances.

Or possibly as fine a player as Alan Bennett? Yes that same Alan Bennett who was never good enough to get break into the Reading first team and was quickly loaned out to lower league teams where he still looked shockingly bad.

Or maybe as fine as Jason Byrne? Yes that same Jason Byrne that couldn't break into the Cardiff first team and was promptly sold on at the first opportunity.

Perhaps even as fine as Dave Mooney. Yes that same Dave Mooney, ah f**k it you know the rest.

The only quality player that has come from the EPL in recent years is Doyle. The rest have in rare cases at best been very average (Murphy) or more generally been complete sh*t (see above).

Keith Fahey me balls.

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The thrust of this argument is correct but you are abit inaccurate about Roy O' Donovan. He was injured until recently according to Craig Levein, he will have a job getting back in the team though because Jon Daly played well at the weekend and they have a few other strikers there pushing to be in the team. For those who say he wasnt a big player in the eircom league he was joint second top scorer in spite of leaving a bit over half way through the season.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Forward this thread to anyone who disputes that Skyreland fans are ignorant about football.

Fahey is actually too good for Skyreland and the Premiership in that neither have any use for classical playmakers. He'd probably be plonked on the right wing and touch the ball about twice (although he could still win games with his set-pieces alone.)

No way is Andy Reid a better passer of the ball. Andy Reid is just the fat man's Wes Hoolahan.

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Deluded.

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Originally Posted by Ceirtlis

For those who say he wasnt a big player in the eircom league he was joint second top scorer in spite of leaving a bit over half way through the season.

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So? Did you count how any of them were penalties? He was a good LOI player but there's no way he was ever going to be good enough for a club the size of Sunderland.

YI, always posts like that, why is he being banned now for it, the end is futile but I still feel I should make the case.

Evidence, I cant even find the bloody EL forum anymore so there isn't much chance of me finding any :D

In the forum in the past there were calls for various players when plying their trade in the EL to be playing for Ireland, merited maybe, maybe not, but most realistic candidates got their chances and didnt prove it when they got it.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

In the forum in the past there were calls for various players when plying their trade in the EL to be playing for Ireland, merited maybe, maybe not, but most realistic candidates got their chances and didnt prove it when they got it.

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Different people though. Once agin showing you lump all LOI fans together. Some think some players should eb in, others disagree. No one loves Fahey as a player more than me and I don't think he should be in the Ireland squad

Oh and as for "giving their chance", only 2 LOI players have been at international level in the last 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Different people though. Once agin showing you lump all LOI fans together. Some think some players should eb in, others disagree. No one loves Fahey as a player more than me and I don't think he should be in the Ireland squad

Oh and as for "giving their chance", only 2 LOI players have been at international level in the last 20 years.

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where did i say "giving their chance", ill slap my wrist if i did, or if i used "then" instead of "than", etc.

Dodge, you argue for the EL as a whole and rightly so, but you also argue based on you not wanting to be "lumped" in with other EL posters who have unrelastic expectations that should be managed expectations, I wouldn't consider every single poster to be the same, but the majority ( or maybe just the loudest )of threads on the forum that are about players that should be playing or given a chance, are very active.

Paul,

There is a long list of Premiership and Championship players that got their chance at international level and "didn't make it". Where you play your football obviously is an important factor in determining whether a particular player is international standard or not, but disregarding the future prospects of LOI players simply because they play in Ireland and what happened in the past is foolish.

I know you have limited knowledge of domestic football (and that you're really a GAA fan) so I'll go easy on you. But FYI quite a significant number of our U21, B and senior squads are/ or have been with LOI clubs.

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There is a long list of Premiership and Championship players that got their chance at international level and "didn't make it". Where you play your football obviously is an important factor in determining whether a particular player is international standard or not, but disregarding the future prospects of LOI players simply because they play in Ireland and what happened in the past is foolish.

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of course.

Ok thanks IFk101, much appreciated.

I'm really a ping pong fan actually.

Fahey is a very good player, but I didnt actually think he was Pats best player in the first leg, thought that Dempsey played better than him on the day. Looking forward to seeing him again tonight though against some top opposition. The problem is though that he isnt playing against this standard of player regularly enough to be regarded as a realistic option to make the national team at the moment.There is a big step up from playing Galway United, Finn Harps, Cobh, Sligo,UCD etc to playing Italy or Bulgaria.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

So? Did you count how any of them were penalties? He was a good LOI player but there's no way he was ever going to be good enough for a club the size of Sunderland.

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2 were penalties. You should be able to figure out why I say he was a top eircom league player based on what i said in the previous post.

just to throw another name in there what about Sean Dillon at least getting into the B squad considering Finnan and Kelly are doubts

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

Secondly, I would take either of the Reid's over Fahey anyday. They have played at the highest level. Fahey on the otherhand looks good in what is basically a League 2 team.

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Do you have any other frame of reference other than English football , its quite grating really

BTW i suppose everybody remembers Wes Houlihan's performances in Europe for Shels. He has still had to prove himself in England with Blackpool and Norwich before being considered. Unfortunately the same has to apply for Keith Fahey. Consistant performances at a higher level are the only way to merit an international level. By the way i wouldn't consider Blackpool a higher level but he put himself in the shop window by playing there. One or two performances are not enough to merit an international call up im sorry.

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Originally Posted by gustavo

Do you have any other frame of reference other than English football , its quite grating really

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In fairness the other two play in England so that is the best way of making a comparison between Fahey and them.

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Originally Posted by gaffer 2008

One or two performances are not enough to merit an international call up im sorry.

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Don't think anyone would say it was. However players from the lower British leagues have won caps whikle far superior home based players have not. Joe O'Cearuill is a good example

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Originally Posted by POS

Dodge, you argue for the EL as a whole and rightly so, but you also argue based on you not wanting to be "lumped" in with other EL posters who have unrelastic expectations that should be managed expectations, I wouldn't consider every single poster to be the same, but the majority ( or maybe just the loudest )of threads on the forum that are about players that should be playing or given a chance, are very active.

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Mostly active with an even number of posters saying that such and such isn't good enough. I asked you to point out these vast hordes of posters who championed O'Donovan and Fahey and you couldn't. I don't argue for the LOI as a whole on any footballing basis. Its far inferior to the Premiership. IMO no player is "international" standard. Hoever so are a huge amount of players that have been in previous (and recent) Irish squads.

The last time a LOI played for Eire was Gamble and Staunton put him on the right wing :rolleyes: . He obviously knew nothing about him.

Fahy is too good for Eire imo. Trap doesn't want attacking midfielders. He just want 2 wingers and 2 strikers to run into the box. Where would Fahy paly? Where would Andy reid play?

Fahy is certainly good enough to play in any attacking type side at any level, Brazil for example :D

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Originally Posted by youngirish

In the same way as many on here were stating that Roy O'Donovan was a fine player and the best by a distance in the EPL last season? Yes that same Roy O'Donovan who can't even get into the first 11 for Dundee United and hasn't scored a single goals for them in nearly a dozen appearances.

Or possibly as fine a player as Alan Bennett? Yes that same Alan Bennett who was never good enough to get break into the Reading first team and was quickly loaned out to lower league teams where he still looked shockingly bad.

Or maybe as fine as Jason Byrne? Yes that same Jason Byrne that couldn't break into the Cardiff first team and was promptly sold on at the first opportunity.

Perhaps even as fine as Dave Mooney. Yes that same Dave Mooney, ah f**k it you know the rest.

The only quality player that has come from the EPL in recent years is Doyle. The rest have in rare cases at best been very average (Murphy) or more generally been complete sh*t (see above).

Keith Fahey me balls.

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First of all I don't think any LOI player is good enough for the senior squad at present but your post is extremely inaccurate. Roy O'Donovanm started every week for Dundee Utd and got injured, he made his comeback last weekend off the bench.

Alan Bennett is not a premiership player, he did however do very well at Soton, there fans raved about him but Coppell refused to leave him extend his loan. He then never played him and shipped him out to his old club Brentford where he has been top quality according to their fans.

Jason Byrne is a has-been, his best years were long before he went to Cardiff, the fact that he can't get off Bohs bench backs this up.

Dave Mooney recently scored a hat-trick for Reading reserves and has played twice in their League Cup campaign, he hasn't been given an opportunity yet.

We could argue about Mick, Kerr and Stan but I'm fairly confident that if he is good enough then one of the greatest managers in the world over the last 20 years will pick him. I'd value his opinion over everyone on here (including me!)

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Originally Posted by ifk101

IMO Keith Fahy was the best player on the park against Hertha Berlin. We all know that the LOI is not English Premiership or Championship standard but that doesn't necessarily mean that certain LOI players are not capable of playing at a higher standard.

With regards to the upcoming B match - we know that Potter, Rowlands, Gibson are not international standard. Why not give a player such as Keith Fahy the chance to show what he can do instead of giving players that aren't good enough another chance to confirm this? Or do we need Owen Coyle and Burnley to give their approval first?

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Stay away:omid season they were last year,when we played them in a friendly.

Bohs were pre season,Burnley had one shot the whole game,and were crap,we were all over them.

Anybody who thinks they are better than a top LOI side is an:o

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I would have McCann in well before the likes of Fahey as would most sane people.

Consider the choices, a 25 year old never will be who was deemed surplus to requirements at both Arsenal and Aston Villa who is unlikely to improve as he should now be close to this peak or a just turned 21 year old who is lighting up the Championship in England thus far with his appearances and could easily be playing in the Premiership by this stage next year.

MMmmmm let me see. Decisions, decisions.

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Is this the same Macann that played against us last year??:o

I am not even sure he started the game,but he played at some stage,as i remember him trying to control the ball,yes trying,he made a mess of it:)

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

First of all, I seem to remember you lauding O'Cearuill when he first joined Pat's. It doesn't even look he will even have a career in football now.

Secondly, I would take either of the Reid's over Fahey anyday. They have played at the highest level. Fahey on the otherhand looks good in what is basically a League 2 team.

Reminds me of when Cork fans wanted Joe Gamble playing for Ireland. He got his chance, but didn't have the quality in the end.

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Fahey is playing in Europe is Andy Reid:o

No he will be sitting at home watching him(he said he supports pats),eating burgers,chips and a pizza,comfort eating.


He will be saying why cant i trap a ball like Keith??How does Keith do it??well Andy,it helps if you can see your feet.

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Originally Posted by Bohemian1890

Fahey is playing in Europe is Andy Reid:o

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The amateur players of FC Vaduz, F91 Dudelange and Sant Julia have also played European football this season.

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Originally Posted by Bohemian1890

No he will be sitting at home watching him(he said he supports pats),eating burgers,chips and a pizza,comfort eating.


He will be saying why cant i trap a ball like Keith??How does Keith do it??well Andy,it helps if you can see your feet.

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I admit, this is only about the 3rd or 4th time I've ever seen Fahey, but his passing/crossing and set peices have been brutal this evening.

Fahey just hits the post with an excellent left footed shot! Then an excellent pass. And another superb long pass to leave Guy one on one. All in about 90 seconds.

Fahey is a class act. Best player on the pitch in Germany and again tonight. He looks to have more class than any of the Hertha players. To say he's a better passer than Reid though is going ott. Reid is one of the most gifted passers ever to come out of Ireland imo.

We just have to see Fahey play consistently at a higher level. Massimo Donati would look bloody class playing for a Pats, Bohs, Hibs or Aberdeen. A big fish in a small pond. At Celtic he's just out of his depth too often and lacks confidence.

I'd love to see him have a chance in a green jersey. He plays with no fear which is something i'd like to see more Irish players do.
Look at him in the match now he's nutmegged Voronin and that Brazilian dude......Caneiro? about 3 times each.

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Originally Posted by rambler14

I'd love to see him have a chance in a green jersey. He plays with no fear whic is something i'd like to see more Irish players do.

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Playing with no fear for Pats. His confidence couldn't be higher. It's a different story playing for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Charlie

For those of you who don't know much about him or doubt his talent, he'll be live on RTE2 from 5 this evening.

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Why is this in Ireland section? Is he moving to the SPL?

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I don't understand why we keep having this argument.

Let's put subjectivity to one side. That is, arguing over who we think is a good player or not.

Let's instead look to objective criteria, In this case it's quite simple, money.

Put another way, in an open market like professional football a player is usually paid what he is worth. Mistakes and judgment errors aside, generally water finds it's own level and the salary reflects that.

People who make their actual living in the game currently do not rate Fahey at a level where they are willing to spend significant sums paying him. As such, under objective criteria a player who is making 10k a week versus one who is making 1k a week is most likely to be the better player.

So the market will dictate how good Fahey is. At the moment, he's unlikely to of a good enough standard to play at international level. Feelings aside, objectively I am more than likely to be right.

did you watch the game? have you seen him play? what f*cks with my head is how certain posters in here make judgement calls in complete confidence without ever having seen a player play. The mind boggles. The shining lights of the league deserve a look in a B team at least.

I honestly dont think that we deserve any success as a soccer nation. Crowd reports say 4-5k turned up. Thats just a disgrace. No other way to put it - its an absolute disgrace. We are not a soccer nation and we get what we deserve. I want success for Bohemians, the domestic game and the international team. Most people here want success for english club teams and the Irish international team and would love to see Ireland beat England. Thats just weird. WEIRD.

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Originally Posted by Carrigaline

The amateur players of FC Vaduz, F91 Dudelange and Sant Julia have also played European football this season.

I admit, this is only about the 3rd or 4th time I've ever seen Fahey, but his passing/crossing and set peices have been brutal this evening.

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:eek:You dont know much about football then,he ran the show and his passing was first class.

I feel sorry for people like you,who actually think they know something about football,but when it comes down to it,you dont know much about football at all.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Fahey just hits the post with an excellent left footed shot! Then an excellent pass. And another superb long pass to leave Guy one on one. All in about 90 seconds.

Fahey is a class act. Best player on the pitch in Germany and again tonight. He looks to have more class than any of the Hertha players. To say he's a better passer than Reid though is going ott. Reid is one of the most gifted passers ever to come out of Ireland imo.

We just have to see Fahey play consistently at a higher level. Massimo Donati would look bloody class playing for a Pats, Bohs, Hibs or Aberdeen. A big fish in a small pond. At Celtic he's just out of his depth too often and lacks confidence.

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Donati wouldn't get a game for us.But at least you have some football knowledge unlike the one who said Fahey passing is poor,it so stupid it is not even funny.

I am not just saying that about Donati either,i have seen him play, a few times,last against Aberdeen last year where he scored but did nothing else in the game.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

did you watch the game? have you seen him play? what f*cks with my head is how certain posters in here make judgement calls in complete confidence without ever having seen a player play. The mind boggles. The shining lights of the league deserve a look in a B team at least.

I honestly dont think that we deserve any success as a soccer nation. Crowd reports say 4-5k turned up. Thats just a disgrace. No other way to put it - its an absolute disgrace. We are not a soccer nation and we get what we deserve. I want success for Bohemians, the domestic game and the international team. Most people here want success for english club teams and the Irish international team and would love to see Ireland beat England. Thats just weird. WEIRD.

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Really? What would you have expected? It was a first round UEFA Cup game on a miserable night with a kick off at the height of rush hour. Were you there? I couldn't get off work early and I'd imagine it was the same for a lot f people. There was only 13,000 in Berlin, does that mean Germany's not a soccer nation? Or deserves no success. Look at the crowds this stage of the UEFA attracts across the continent. Had the game been on a Saturday there'd have been a lot more people at it, I wouldn't be using the attendance today as any criteria.

How many do you reckon we'd have got at Dalyer if it had been Bohs at 5 on a Tuesday night? You're not gonna attract sod all casual fans or even LOI fans from other clubs bar students at that time, no way.

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Originally Posted by pete

Why is this in Ireland section? Is he moving to the SPL?

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I doubt it the only teams in the SPL who could afford him would be Celtic and Rangers,mind you if Celtic spend 4.4million on Brown:oanything is possible.

His performance today was superb, but its not the first time he has produced this, I hope that someone was there from the Ireland setup, he has to be involved.

YoungIrish is an idiot tbh. I really don't like football fans like him.

Well played by Fahey today. Some sloppy passes but at times his vision and passing was sublime. He really knows what he's doing out there, and looked to me the player with the most quality on the pitch.

I will say one thing Hertha Berlin are overrated. Bohemian said 'better players than what he named(irish players) that was bull**** really. I'd say none of that midfield would make the Irish national team.

I'd love to see Fahey in the green jersey..and he should have been.