Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true?

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

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This is the responce ive been talking about it even includes the rolling eyes to heaven There are plenty of theories that turned out to be true ill post some up later i found last night watergate for example as mentioned smoking was a massive cover up. WMD's in Iraq , Nazi's final solution .............

People that believe these things arent paranoid they just dont believe what a proven bunch of liars are telling them.

And no one found that white fiat uno when Diana died maybe the queen mum was driving it :D

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Originally Posted by anto1208

WMD's in Iraq , Nazi's final solution .............

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How in the name of God are those two conspiracy theories? One was an excuse for war that we all saw through from day one, the other was a slaughter none of us knew about until after the Allies had rolled through Germany

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

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hmm interesting, and why then do you only beleive the Nazis one? I think that says a lot in itself...

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Originally Posted by jebus

How in the name of God are those two conspiracy theories? One was an excuse for war that we all saw through from day one, the other was a slaughter none of us knew about until after the Allies had rolled through Germany

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The Us government said there was WMD's so they where going to war , the people said no you are lying there isnt your using it to cover up your real reason for going to war ! thats a conspiracy

the death camps were known about people had escaped and told about them but it wasnt believed. Do you really think not one person ever talked about it before the allies got into germany ?

I was watching a doc on the history channel only a few weeks ago about this.

Even now there is a theory that it never happened that it was a Jewish conspiracy to gain support for getting Israel back, Holocaust deniers they are called , Mel gibsons dad being a well known one.

So there is 2 CT’s from one event ! that’s how in the name of god the are CT’s

I've got a few of my own......
(1) Who killed British comic actor Roy Kinnear......
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/...kinnearroy.htm
http://www.lastingtribute.co.uk/tribute/kinnear/2565301

He fell off a horse while shooting third film in the Three Musketeers series The Return of the Musketeers with Michael York, Oliver Reed and Kim Catrall. Directed by Richard Lester.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098194/

My bother is that any one who had sen him bounce around, stirrupless and under-controlling on these great beasts from the earlier 1970's films knew it was pretty risky. Obviously it was an instruction from the filmakers that he should perform in this way.

He didn't survive.

It is said Richard Lester who directed some of the famous Beatles films inc. A Hard Days Night never directed again. Not quite. He worked with Paul McCarthy again in the '90's. However, I also point the finger at the producers of the film including Mario Sotela who appears to specialise in sequels.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815402/

Who killed Brandon Lee? or was it suicide?
Who killed Kurt Cobain? or was it suicide?
theres 2 that I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of

So anto obvious lying and all crackpot theories are being included? WMDs aren't a conspriacy, it's either a **** up by the authorits (Blair still insists that given the evidence they had they were right in thinking WMDs would be found), or an excuse to go war (just like all the other excuses used throughout mankinds history). No cover up here

Holocaust deniers are morons, and they have never been proved right, so their conspiracy theory is discounted. As for some people telling the tale of concentration camps, well that doesn't really rank as a conspiracy either because the Nazis openly said they were moving Jews into these camps, the Allies did know these camps existed, but bar the people who were there no-one knew how bad they actually were, but no-one tried to cover up that they existed

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK

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I think most people now believe that JFK was a conspiracy of some sort, don't they ? It's probably the most credible of the famous conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by TonyD

I think most people now believe that JFK was a conspiracy of some sort, don't they ? It's probably the most credible of the famous conspiracy theories.

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No it's not. It was the first major conspiracy theory but time after time the theories have been debunked but this won't stop the conspiracy theorists still believing it.

As the Nazis attacking their own radio station, there was EVIDENCE to show it (not theory and speculation).

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

If you're going to include the link between smoking and cancer you'll probably have to include a lot of science. The notion that the earth orbits the sun was quite controversial in its day.

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Ah but were there concerted efforts to cover this up or did those of a different view just generally believe that the concept was false? Were there conspiracy theories as such about such matters?

How about the FAI World Class Management Team Conspiracy?:)

An unbelieveable tale where the "Organistion" conceives a cunning plan to unveil a manager with no managerial qualifications, limited english and fewer ideas coupled with a back up team who could avail of free transport, sure in the knowledge that they would fail.

All the while in the background negotiations take place with a bankroller to pay big for the next manager so the country can be spared the shame saving the "Organisation" Millions.

MHAHAHAHAHAH!(Evil Laugh)

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Originally Posted by Aberdonian Stu

Ah but were there concerted efforts to cover this up or did those of a different view just generally believe that the concept was false? Were there conspiracy theories as such about such matters?

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Galileo was put in front of the inquisition so there was certainly an attempt to cover it up. The matter was reasonably well proven but some didn't believe it at first, similar enough to the theory that smoking causes cancer.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

No it's not. It was the first major conspiracy theory but time after time the theories have been debunked but this won't stop the conspiracy theorists still believing it.

As the Nazis attacking their own radio station, there was EVIDENCE to show it (not theory and speculation).

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Most theories would be based on some sort of evidence. You pretty much have to decide which evidence you believe and which you don't.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

People will believe any sort of conspiracy theories. The 9/11 on is so unbelievavle you have to be really paranoid to believe it. The number of American citizens that would have to be involved to carry out the attack on their own country would run in to hundreds. Then you'd have to find more lunatics to fly the planes in to the buildings etc etc.

The fact is NO CONSPIRACY THEORY has ever proven to be correct, except perhaps the Nazis staging their own attack on the radio station and which was allegedly by the Poles to start WW2.

You've either a predisposition to believing these things or you don't. Most who believe the 9/11 conspiracy also believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK and the latter murdered Marlyn Monroe and the Queen Mother killed Diana :rolleyes:

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You really don't have a clue about the Kenneddy one or 9/11, not even going to bother arguing the points with you as you clearly know nothing. the fact you try say someone who believes one believes them all shows how narrow-minded you are!!

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Originally Posted by Student Mullet

Galileo was put in front of the inquisition so there was certainly an attempt to cover it up. The matter was reasonably well proven but some didn't believe it at first, similar enough to the theory that smoking causes cancer.

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Was the inquisition not public or at least were it's details not publicly known? Figured a cover up/conspiracy in the traditional sense would try to be less open.

is there a conspiracy to undermine the investigation into conspiracies that were proven to be true on this thread
on a more serious note are most human organisations capable of organising these type of events and keeping all their actions under wraps

karen silkwood? paul wellstone? two interesting ones, the former more public and renowned, the latter more obscure and questionable (in the sense that it's worthy of a conspiracy angle at all).

also project MK-ULTRA, astonishing stuff.

perhaps bobby kennedy?

the john kennedy one is amazing and will grip theorists and armchair experts for years. oswald's uncle-in-law was a high-ranking KGB officer/general in russia, true. the House investigation into presidential assassinations in the 70s (not the Warren Commission) came to the conclusion that oswald was the murderer and was likely part of a larger conspiracy. they relied on dodgy acoustic evidence at the time though. this only makes things murkier.

sometimes it's tempting to think, as i believe someone pointed out, that it is better for a cover-up if the perpetrators actually disseminate this kind of suspicious, conspiratorrially-angled rumour themselves. in this sense the perceived truth is always shifting and the truth-seekers are aiming at a moving target (while often defending themselves against character assassination and other insinuation).

the control of information is a silent weapon that shoots situations rather than bullets.

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Originally Posted by ken foree

the john kennedy one is amazing and will grip theorists and armchair experts for years. oswald's uncle-in-law was a high-ranking KGB officer/general in russia, true. the House investigation into presidential assassinations in the 70s (not the Warren Commission) came to the conclusion that oswald was the murderer and was likely part of a larger conspiracy. they relied on dodgy acoustic evidence at the time though. this only makes things murkier.



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Love the Family guy clip where Oswald is looking out the window and goes hey whats that on the grass he is going to shoot the president , he picks up a gun and says come on oswald time to be an american hero

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Originally Posted by Aberdonian Stu

Was the inquisition not public or at least were it's details not publicly known? Figured a cover up/conspiracy in the traditional sense would try to be less open.

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The proof that smoking causes cancer was publicly available as well, that's why I'm saying that if you include one controversial scientific discovery you'll have to include them all.