Venables: drink-drive Dunphy cost me job

[QUOTE=geysir;899522]Footie had all the facts prepared from as long ago as Nov 2005. Although the vast majority had made their minds up before Dunphy's rant, you can't dismiss the effect of his rant on the non selection of Venables.
The selection process turned into the search for anybody but Venables.
But I reckon if Houllier wasn't there to fill a few weeks of speculation before Trap, then Venables may well have gotten the dream job.

Overall the article is very poorly constructed. It's a shockingly bad example of sports journalism.[/QUOTE]

But a shockingly good example of the shyte Fanning comes out with.

Also I must admit to laughing to the piece about the process being a sham! Here we were thinking the process was a sham to result in Venables being appointed!

For once some good comes from Dunphy's moronic tirades. He is in no position to comment on anyones character but I am truely not bothered. You cannot compare the prospect of Trap being manager against El Tel.

The article is utter tripe though. Does he actually get paid to write that sh1t?

I have found it very difficult to understand how such an anti-Venables sentiment developed in this country over the past few months. I think it boils down to the fact that he is the quintessential cockney with a cheeky smile. People forget that we aren't considered a great football nation, so to get such a manager as Venables would have been a great coup. Poor Student, Ciaran(lost all respect for ya), amaccann, tetsujin1979, superhoops, owlsfan, youngirish (more nonsense from you), kingdom and reder - all know more than the players who believed Venables was the man for the job. Everyone who knows the game, said that he was the ideal candidate. He was.

He has won nothing. Have Ireland ever won anything? (a cup in Iceland!!) Did Jack Charlton ever win anything? Anybody, and I stress the 'Anybody' who has played under Venables say that he was the best coach they played under. I can say no more!! I am not for one second saying that I am disappointed with Trapps appointment - I think he'll do fine - but I still think Venables would have been a better choice - given the circumstances and his knowledge of our game.

Eamonn Dunphy. I recall that he is the same man who has lauded applause onto Mr John Delaney on numerous ocassions. Vomit. Vomit!!! Giles did argue on behalf of Venables during the now 'infamous rant' - fair play to him - but he brings absolutely nothing to the table in terms of analysisability.

Good luck Trapp. I am now behind you 100%. But just take note of how the FAI operate. Look at their treatment of previous managers - and of Venables. It is clear for all to see that the people in power in Abbotstown hang on Dunphys' every word and just look how his sentiments have subconciously effected the afforementioned foot.ie members.

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Poor Student, Ciaran(lost all respect for ya), amaccann, tetsujin1979, superhoops, owlsfan, youngirish (more nonsense from you), kingdom and reder - all know more than the players who believed Venables was the man for the job. Everyone who knows the game, said that he was the ideal candidate. He was.

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All the players thought Stan was a great appointment. That he'd bring back the craic. Here's a thought: Maybe some of our players are stoopid?

I would of had Venebles over a number of candidate initially eg coppell, jewel etc but as soon as realistic/preferred options became available firstly Hodgson then Houllier and finally Trapattoni he slid down the list. What was galling was that his cheerleaders in the press never changed their tune no matter who was available or a possibility. It reeked of self serving drivel - ie slow news day, just give Terry a ring for a quote and base an article around it.

I am willing to take second best as long as the first choice options are exhausted - again if he was so great what other countries realistically wanted TV as manager (and i dont believe Bulgaria was a serious candadate)

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

All the players thought Stan was a great appointment. That he'd bring back the craic. Here's a thought: Maybe some of our players are stoopid?

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Everyone and his mother knew Stan was a risk. No comparison - Please offer a bit more than that Kingdom. That is pretty lame indeed.

Newryrep. Venables was involved with England twice - as assistant to McLaren, it was well documented that in the end they were not even on speaking terms - as Mclaren became unwilling to listen to any advice - Venables I'm sure was offering sensible opinion. His creditentials are proven. OK - he hasn't won world cups etc.. but is respected as a damn fine coach.

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Venables I'm sure was offering sensible opinion

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Remember how England went unbeaten at the start of their campaign with a 4-4-2? Remember how they changed to 3 at the back away to Croatia? Remember how they lost that game? That change was Venables' idea. How very sensible of him to change a winning formula.

And for the record, I couldn't care less where he's from, if he was a cockney, geordie, scouser, roman, mongul, or whatever. I didn't want him as manager because I didn't think he was up to it, his last success was more than a decade ago with England, and even that doesn't read well under scrutiny. Everything he's touched since then has fallen apart. He was an assistant to a failure at England, and when they needed his "sensible opinions" at home against Croatia, where was he? In the Royal Box with the Princes!

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Everyone and his mother knew Stan was a risk. No comparison - Please offer a bit more than that Kingdom. That is pretty lame indeed.

Newryrep. Venables was involved with England twice - as assistant to McLaren, it was well documented that in the end they were not even on speaking terms - as Mclaren became unwilling to listen to any advice - Venables I'm sure was offering sensible opinion. His creditentials are proven. OK - he hasn't won world cups etc.. but is respected as a damn fine coach.

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You said the players all wanted Venables. Tha same players (or those who voiced their opinions) all spoke positively about Stan. Us, the fans, didn't. And truth be told I'm sick of ex-players, pundits etc assuming the fan knows nothing because they didn't play the game, blah..blah..blah.

Anyone who wants to champion Venables keep doing so, I'll just believe you're delusional. If Venables was such a football man, he'd be in the employ of a club somewhere in the Uk. He's not. He's also, quite pointedly in that article, said that he's never gone looking for a job. We'll see how long he lasts without a job.
I don't care much for Dunphy, he changes tack too quickly to be taken seriously, as evidenced in the recent champions league programs, and his opinion of venables didn't hold any sway with me. Why? Because we, the foot.ie collective, had dismissed him completely, based on the wrongs in his career that senor Dingdong, sorry Dion Fanning, casually airbrushes from any piece he does on Venables.
BigmanCas, why shouldn't we aspire to having a decent manager? This is what you seem to be saying. Why shouldn't we want to have the best possible manager that we could? Truth be told, I don't see how any of this is an issue anymore. We have one of the best managers around in charge, he's without doubt better than Venables so I don't see what the arguement is.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Remember how England went unbeaten at the start of their campaign with a 4-4-2? Remember how they changed to 3 at the back away to Croatia? Remember how they lost that game? That change was Venables' idea. How very sensible of him to change a winning formula.

And for the record, I couldn't care less where he's from, if he was a cockney, geordie, scouser, roman, mongul, or whatever. I didn't want him as manager because I didn't think he was up to it, his last success was more than a decade ago with England, and even that doesn't read well under scrutiny. Everything he's touched since then has fallen apart. He was an assistant to a failure at England, and when they needed his "sensible opinions" at home against Croatia, where was he? In the Royal Box with the Princes!

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Inventing arguments again. Steve McLaren was England manager. That is the long and the short of it. Don't take me for a fool with your Rubbish. You didn't think he was up to the Ireland job. What nonsense. Waken up!!

If Venables had come to us in the early 1980s (20+ years ago), I would have supported his appointment. But his record since then is medicore at best or even worse and I don't believe he would have been the man to turn round our fortunes similar to Jewell whom I was also against.

However, the stuff about Dunphy's tirade being the seminal moment is hogwash. He and Giles waxed lyrical about Jewell (Giles even interviewed the man off his own bat) but that had no impact either. People exaggerate the effect of pundits. Most (football) people can see through the bluster and hype and make their own minds up on things.

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Inventing arguments again. Steve McLaren was England manager. That is the long and the short of it. Don't take me for a fool with your Rubbish. You didn't think he was up to the Ireland job. What nonsense. Waken up!!

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It's widely acknowledged to be the case. Perhaps it isn't true, but going by what the media (and some players I believe) reported this was the case. Why do you think the FAI hang on to Dunphy's every last word? If it's just because they didn't select him as Ireland manager, then you seriously need your head checked if you think he is a better candidate than Trapattoni. Your implication that half of this board get their views from Dunphy is, quite frankly, extremely insulting.

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Everyone and his mother knew Stan was a risk. No comparison - Please offer a bit more than that Kingdom. That is pretty lame indeed..

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Trapattoni's a risk but the odds are signifcantly reduced, there are no guarentees

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Newryrep. Venables was involved with England twice - as assistant to McLaren, it was well documented that in the end they were not even on speaking terms - as Mclaren became unwilling to listen to any advice - Venables I'm sure was offering sensible opinion. His creditentials are proven. OK - he hasn't won world cups etc.. but is respected as a damn fine coach.

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England wouldnt touch TV as their manager after 96 nor does it seem that his credentials have impressed Europe recently hence lack of job offers - i personnally doubt he will get anothers managers job in any significant club/country

why did the media cheerleading not stop when more suitable candidates became available ?

our worst fears that venebles would get the job were unfounded and he is now irrelevant to Irish football. end of

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Inventing arguments again. Steve McLaren was England manager. That is the long and the short of it. Don't take me for a fool with your Rubbish. You didn't think he was up to the Ireland job. What nonsense. Waken up!!

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You are not offering any arguement yourself. What are you going on about there, he offered a piece to counter your claim of tel being a great coach, and you come back with absoloutely nothing. If you hit be with stupidity ill be forced to hit back with even more stupidity comes to mind....

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

our worst fears that venebles would get the job were unfounded and he is now irrelevant to Irish football. end of

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Yeah, this really is a non-issue. This thread should really be moved to off topic. I couldn't care less about whether Venables feels hard done by or not. There are plenty of others who may feel the same: Howard Kendall, Kenny Dalglish et al.

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

He has won nothing. Have Ireland ever won anything? (a cup in Iceland!!) Did Jack Charlton ever win anything? Anybody, and I stress the 'Anybody' who has played under Venables say that he was the best coach they played under. I can say no more!! I am not for one second saying that I am disappointed with Trapps appointment - I think he'll do fine - but I still think Venables would have been a better choice - given the circumstances and his knowledge of our game.

Eamonn Dunphy. I recall that he is the same man who has lauded applause onto Mr John Delaney on numerous ocassions. Vomit. Vomit!!! Giles did argue on behalf of Venables during the now 'infamous rant' - fair play to him - but he brings absolutely nothing to the table in terms of analysisability.

Good luck Trapp. I am now behind you 100%. But just take note of how the FAI operate. Look at their treatment of previous managers - and of Venables. It is clear for all to see that the people in power in Abbotstown hang on Dunphys' every word and just look how his sentiments have subconciously effected the afforementioned foot.ie members.

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Classic vocabulary!! Contrary to most posters here, I would have chosen Venables as manager ahead of the likes of Houllier, Hodgson, Coppell, etc. simply because Houllier is a coward who shifts blame onto every1 else, I've bad memories of Hodgson time at Blackburn and Coppell seemed only to be interested in the Irish job to get away from the stress of club management.

However, When i heard Trappatoni mentioned there was no doubt in my mind he was by far and away the best option if available. Therefore I don't see the point in arguing Venables case anymore - a much more qualified and successful manager has been appointed

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

I can say no more!!

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Let's hope so.

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

Has somebody photo shopped TV's head, it looks large compared to the rest of his body.

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think the photo sums up venebles... sitting there surrounded by bling! they couldnt even get a recent photo of him in a football environment.... says it all really

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

think the photo sums up venebles... sitting there surrounded by bling! they couldnt even get a recent photo of him in a football environment.... says it all really

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Stop the nonsense. He is still recognised as a great coach by his peers and every player that played under him - doesn't matter where he's sitting. Before Trapp came on the scene - I picture you championing the causes of Jewell or Houllier before Venables. Is this true? If so, says it all really!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Stop the nonsense. He is still recognised as a great coach by his peers and every player that played under him - doesn't matter where he's sitting. Before Trapp came on the scene - I picture you championing the causes of Jewell or Houllier before Venables. Is this true? If so, says it all really!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Can you give me the links to all of those players? Many players know very little, for evidence of this I suggest you listen to all of the ex-players who are now pundits. Most of them fail to understand the modern game and trot out plenty of cliches. If he is such a great coach why isn't he in a job right now? In fact, if he was still a great coach why isn't he in a job at Man Utd/Arsenal/Barcelona/Real Madrid/AC Milan.....?