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02/01/2008, 11:28 AM
Sonic

Its just a ridiculous ploy that only serves to squeeze out the smaller clubs from both codes. As superfrank says either everyone join up to it or scrap the idea. But knowing the Fai they will muck it up AGAIN:(:(
02/01/2008, 11:30 AM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Possibly will happen; more than five years away though. Yes, I'd be happy to see one, but those who think it'll be a panacea for both leagues' problems are completely deluded. It's not nearly as important as people are making out.

Completely disgree.

Full-time football is not, and looks like it never will be, sustainable under the current model.

Full-time football has a better chance of being sustainable under an AIL model due to the cash on offer (lets leave aside the permanence of this cashflow). Thats not to say that definitively it will be sustainable, but at least it has a chance.

That makes it important.
02/01/2008, 11:38 AM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Full-time football has a better chance of being sustainable under an AIL model due to the cash on offer (lets leave aside the permanence of this cashflow). Thats not to say that definitively it will be sustainable, but at least it has a chance.

The proposers admitted last week at the meeting that they have not put together a business plan yet, so on what basis are you claiming it has a chance?
02/01/2008, 12:30 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

The proposers admitted last week at the meeting that they have not put together a business plan yet, so on what basis are you claiming it has a chance?

Common sense.
02/01/2008, 12:32 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Common sense.

Wave a wad of money and everything will be better? :confused:
02/01/2008, 12:39 PM
pineapple stu

Of course.

I never said an AIL wasn't important, ORA. I said it isn't as important as people make out. Big difference. You also say "Let's leave aside the permanence of this cashflow". Rather a big thing to leave aside, don't you think?
02/01/2008, 12:41 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

How can we vote on a poll when we don't what the "it" will be in terms of "will it happen." Does anyone have the the hard facts on what is proposed and how it will work. So far all I have seen and heard about are wishes lists and possibilities. The lack of detail and approval for a proposal that is supposed to start in 7 months is staggering.

The it is simply an AIL in any form.

I agree with Pineapple Stu to an extent. I would like to see it happen, think it would be good for the league but it's no the be all and end all. There'l still be an awful lot to do and a lot of challenges.

If it didnt happen I ain't say I'd be all that bothered. Yeah the money and tv coverage sounds good but it's not everything
02/01/2008, 12:44 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Wave a wad of money and everything will be better? :confused:

Well a wad of money would be a good start, if it is spent on infrastructure, marketing and proper administration in addition to players wages.

As I said, I'm yet to be convinced any of the above will get Joe-Premership fan off his barstool but its worth a go IMHO.

The fact that the plans aren't fully thought out doesn't unduly worry me. Someone other than the IL/IFA and FAI had to take the lead as turkeys don't vote for Christmas. I don't mind who takes it forward to fruitition but the end state of an AIL is very much where I see football going.
02/01/2008, 1:27 PM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Completely disgree.

Full-time football is not, and looks like it never will be, sustainable under the current model.

Full-time football has a better chance of being sustainable under an AIL model due to the cash on offer (lets leave aside the permanence of this cashflow). Thats not to say that definitively it will be sustainable, but at least it has a chance.

That makes it important.

By that logic, an AIL will be entirely dependent on a sponsor putting up a lot of cash, presumably in the hope of recouping said cash from TV advertising?

So if the TV revenues fail to generate sufficient money, the sponsorship will reduce or end, and the AIL may end?
02/01/2008, 1:32 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

By that logic, an AIL will be entirely dependent on a sponsor putting up a lot of cash, presumably in the hope of recouping said cash from TV advertising?

So if the TV revenues fail to generate sufficient money, the sponsorship will reduce or end, and the AIL may end?

Not necessarily. If it takes off with a bang and creates interest it may draw investors to individual clubs also
02/01/2008, 1:39 PM
sonofstan

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Originally Posted by micls

Not necessarily. If it takes off with a bang and creates interest it may draw investors to individual clubs also

And if it doesn't? football clubs being football clubs, expect a lot of ambitious overspending in the expectation of the gravy train rolling into town; and if the league fails, clubs will go to wall, leaving us with two drastically weakened leagues.
02/01/2008, 1:40 PM
dcfc_1928

Some more info in this article:

Backers of the proposed All-Ireland league are planning to unveil a prize pool of over �10 million, according to a report in Tuesday's Irish Daily Star.

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Spor...reland-league/
02/01/2008, 1:44 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

By that logic, an AIL will be entirely dependent on a sponsor putting up a lot of cash, presumably in the hope of recouping said cash from TV advertising?

So if the TV revenues fail to generate sufficient money, the sponsorship will reduce or end, and the AIL may end?

Yes.

I don't know enough about the economics of the Irish League but the Eircom League has and is unsustainable in its current shape. The more clubs have to lose the riskier something becomes. Maybe I'm a lone voice here but I don't see that we have a lot to lose.
02/01/2008, 1:47 PM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Yes.

I don't know enough about the economics of the Irish League but the Eircom League has and is unsustainable in its current shape. The more clubs have to lose the riskier something becomes. Maybe I'm a lone voice here but I don't see that we have a lot to lose.

Why is the Eircom League unsustainable in its current shape?
02/01/2008, 1:48 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by sonofstan

expect a lot of ambitious overspending in the expectation of the gravy train rolling into town

And thats differs how from what we have seen in the last 10-15 years?:confused:
02/01/2008, 1:51 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Why is the Eircom League unsustainable in its current shape?

I thought Shelbourne would have been reason enough?

Boom-bust cycles, bankruptcies, winding up orders, unpaid wages, promised capex than never materialises (how many new stadiums have been promised and how many delivered?).
02/01/2008, 1:52 PM
sonofstan

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

And thats differs how from what we have seen in the last 10-15 years?:confused:

Same thing, bigger scale: we could see a half- dozen Shelbourne's all at once if the tap was turned off; remember what happened in the Championship when the ITV money was pulled?
02/01/2008, 1:57 PM
Blanchflower

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I thought Shelbourne would have been reason enough?

Boom-bust cycles, bankruptcies, winding up orders, unpaid wages, promised capex than never materialises (how many new stadiums have been promised and how many delivered?).

Surely all of those things are down to poor management by the clubs, not the way the league is set up?

Why are clubs any more likely to manage themselves better in an AIL than in the Eircom League?
02/01/2008, 1:58 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Yes.

I don't know enough about the economics of the Irish League but the Eircom League has and is unsustainable in its current shape. The more clubs have to lose the riskier something becomes. Maybe I'm a lone voice here but I don't see that we have a lot to lose.

And how will the inclusion of Linfield, Glentoran etc. change this cycle for the majority of Irish clubs? How will this benefit Limerick 37 for example? Because the exclusion from the top division could prove fatal for the clubs left out
02/01/2008, 2:02 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Well a wad of money would be a good start, if it is spent on infrastructure, marketing and proper administration in addition to players wages.

How likely do think it would be that the money wouldn't be entirely spent on wages? Especially as a major driver of all this talk seems to be the 65% wage cap.

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