and moore, and o'halloran. wasn't george o'callaghan looking for a job at shels last season too? right bunch of characters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanatic
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and moore, and o'halloran. wasn't george o'callaghan looking for a job at shels last season too? right bunch of characters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanatic
Let's say, a team I'd expect a top eL club to progress past 50% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Fenlon's Euro record isn't great; the La Coruna game is what everyone remembers though. In his first year, they lost to Hibernians of Malta - an awful result which his novice status can't excuse. The next season, they lost home and away to Olimpjia Ljubljana. I was at the home leg, and Ljubljana were a poor team, but Shels were clueless. They stayed 4-5-1 until the hour mark, when they were already 2-1 down at home and the tie was dead.
In the third year, they drew home and away against KR from Iceland - you could argue they were lucky to get through as they were 2-0 down in Iceland with ten minutes to go. Think they played 4-5-1 in both games. Hadjuk was a good win. Depor was another good performance, although the 3-0 in the away leg was never really a surprise. Shels were more than flattered by losing 4-2 to Lille though - they were torn apart repeatedly and were saved by some comical finishing from Moussilou (who's in playing Qatar now, for anyone interested) in particular.
The following year, they beat Glentoran 6-2 on aggregate - to be expected really, as the Glens were out of season. They held Steaua at home (just about, as I recall) before getting hammered away in an awful performance. Then in 2006, they beat Vetra 5-0 - it took almost an hour to go 4-4-2 even with Vetra down to nine players. They then got comfortably beaten in Odense in the end, before winning a dead second leg.
Overall W-D-L record - 6-5-8 - not good enough to "get far" in any tournament. This was with a budget about twice what Bohs' will be (going on their repsective accounts), so I would imagine they won't even do as well as that.
Pint of bitter - or have you enough already?Quote:
Originally Posted by fanatic
when he came to derry, i believed we got the best man for the job, i also thought he was bring some decent footballers with him as well .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
i still dont understand why people praise him, his tactics and style of football were terrible !
here, here. All the rubbish on here about Fenlon is ridiculous. Expect league titles for Bohs and me being sick all round :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
The exact same thing was said by Fenlon supporters when he was appointed Derry boss. The sceptics were proven right (though most of us didn't expect to be so spectacularly right.)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Good apointment IMO
And he spent long enough at Derry to show that he's not a good enough manager did he? It was clear from day one at Derry that it wasn't happening. He was barely in the job a couple of months. The reason you have no time for him is because of his association with the Shels team which bought a team with money we didn't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I think he'll do better at Bohs because they're in Dublin and have money so he'll find it easier to buy in players, that's his management style.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Thanks for telling me what I think; it's very appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
I never said I had no time for him. I said he's a poor manager, and I've given some of my reasons. One of them being that, as you say, from day one, it wasn't happening for him at Derry. But you make up whatever you want to believe; no skin off my nose.
Possibly, although I still don't think he'll do as well as some think he will with half of the budget he had at Shels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
3 titles in 5 years. Which when he retires will still take up more space then the entire UCD senior teams trophy cabinet. But success is all relative of course
With twice the budget anyone else had. I'd have won those itles with that money. But then, the value of money isn't something Shels fans would appreciate.
He's a lot more competition this time around. With Shels he pretty much ahd free reign in buying players up. With Bohs he'l have Drogs and Pat's able to match if not outbid him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
It'l show what he's made of anyway
Yes of course you would have Pineapple. There's nothing to management but money
And of course, don't forget the 65% rule, which means Bohs must slash 35% off their wages bill for next season. :)
Despite what the begrudgers say, Fenlon is already up there with the most successful LOI managers ever, and is still fairly young. Good appointment.
dont get me wrong..... i think its a great appointment ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
i support Derry and i welcome a clueless boh's to the brandywell anytime !
His signings were awful for us. Fenlons football was like that of Dermot Keely's Derry. I was fully behind him but as time went by the supporters got fed up with his long ball tactics. Really really brutal stuff to watch. I honestly can't see this one lasting too long, the Bohs fans will expect their team to play decent football.
As pints of bitter go - hell rub it up Brennan and Oman.
The year Fenlon had his biggest, most expensive squad at Shels - 2005- was also their least successful of his reign; Ollie went on a shopping spree at the end of '04 which unsettled the side that had won 2 in a row. And you're right that Pat's and Drogs will be competing next year in terms of spending - if Cork and Derry want to be there or thereabouts they're both going to have to find some money and appoint managers ASAP.
Fenlon is the most successful manager currently working in LOI football. We'll be title challengers this year.