Delaney interview last night

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Originally Posted by Paulie

he repeatedly referred to the British Isles when speaking of ourselves, Northern Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales which I found a bit irritating, but like I said, other than that he did well.

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Don't open that can of worms. suffice to say, it is one thing Delaney would be right on.

Originally Posted by EalingGreen
So we can also expect to see the FAI opening Academies in England, Scotland and the USA for example? After all, it would be a shame to miss out on the next generation of Peter Butlers, Owen Coyles and Joe Lapira's wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

Well no because none of those countries you mentioned are part of Ireland. Tyrone is.

See the difference :)

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My point was that Tyrone is within the jurisdiction of another National Association, just like e.g. Taunton, Tobermory or Trenton.

See the similarity? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

My point was that Tyrone is within the jurisdiction of another National Association, just like e.g. Taunton, Tobermory or Trenton.

See the similarity? :rolleyes:

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could you not take up stamp collecting or something rather than spending your days policing the border in foot.ie?

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

My point was that Tyrone is within the jurisdiction of another National Association

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A bit like Derry City :rolleyes:

What jurisdiction Tyrone is under has little or nothing to do with Delaney's interview on RTE. Get back on topic.

If the FAI/IFA joint cross border National Premier Division opens up in a few years. There might well be a joint FAI/IFA academy opening up in Tyrone and hopefully eventually an All-Ireland team jointly administered by the FAI and IFA. Football on this island has gone to the dogs since that FAI shower broke away from the IFA :D

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

What jurisdiction Tyrone is under has little or nothing to do with Delaney's interview on RTE. Get back on topic.

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Er, this thread is about Delaney's Interview. According to Janeymac:
"He [Delaney] let the mask slip though, when talking about the new youth development/elite academy - something to the effect that we dont want to miss out on the young Peter Canavans, etc. etc, (played GAA for Tyrone for those of you who don't know!)"

I was merely pointing out that the IFA has jurisdiction over football development in Tyrone and if Delaney/FAI want good relations with the IFA - already strained enough over the eligibility row - he might care to remember that.

I don't think many people here comprehend the growing resentment felt by many in NI over what is perceived to be the FAI's attempts to ride two horses at once: co-operation with the IFA over some issues and encroachment over others. And for all that citing Canavan might just have been a slip of the tongue by JD, it typifies the triumphalist attitude of some in the Republic, who see Irish football as being the 26 counties plus one or two Northerners (and then only when it suits) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

If the FAI/IFA joint cross border National Premier Division opens up in a few years. There might well be a joint FAI/IFA academy opening up in Tyrone and hopefully eventually an All-Ireland team jointly administered by the FAI and IFA. Football on this island has gone to the dogs since that FAI shower broke away from the IFA :D

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Perhaps you're not being serious, but if there was an all-Ireland League, an all-Ireland international team, plus joint academies etc, what would be the point of having two National Associations? :confused:

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

could you not take up stamp collecting or something rather than spending your days policing the border in foot.ie?

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By your criteria, everyone on this Board better take up stamp collecting, since I am a football fan discussing my football team on a football forum. :eek:

If you don't like what I post, just ignore it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by co. down green

A bit like Derry City :rolleyes:

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Derry City is an anomaly, like e.g. Cardiff City, Berwick Rangers, AS Monaco, FC Toronto etc.

As such, it has little or no relevance to the principle that the IFA has footballing jurisdiction over NI and the FAI over ROI.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

As such, it has little or no relevance to the principle that the IFA has footballing jurisdiction over NI and the FAI over ROI.

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currently the IFA has footballing jurisdiction over NI but the FAI are entitled to recruit players from there.

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

currently the IFA has footballing jurisdiction over NI but the FAI are entitled to recruit players from there.

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"Recruit"? The FAI is entitled to select players from NI for its international teams, provided they meet FIFA's eligibility criteria. Then again, they are entitled to select players from anywhere else in the world on that basis (and frequently do!).

That is a hell of a sight different from setting up youth academies in territory which is under the footballing jurisdiction of another Association. Can you imagine the outcry e.g. from the FFA if the Algerian FA or Cameroon FA started setting up academies in France, targeting 2nd generation Immigrants and encroaching on their authority to develop the game in France?

The turkish FA are targetting the German born turkish population and have recruited quite a few players to their ranks. It's the way of the world EG. I think the FAI would be unable to set up an academy under their own auspices in northern ireland but no doubt there is a network of IFA accredited clubs who keep them posted as to player eligibility and interest just like the turkish community in Germany.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I don't think many people here comprehend the growing resentment felt by many in NI over what is perceived to be the FAI's attempts to ride two horses at once: co-operation with the IFA over some issues and encroachment over others.

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And a large proportion of the population in the North are very happy to support the principle of Players having the right to play for Ireland, if they wish.

Lets face it, a Unionist motion supporting the IFA's stance on the eligibility issue failed to get a single Nationalist vote in support at Stormont on Tuesday. So it would be fair enough to say that over 40% of the population are quite happy with FIFA's present policy of allowing players from the North to play for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

I don't think many people here comprehend the growing resentment felt by many in NI over what is perceived to be the FAI's attempts to ride two horses at once: co-operation with the IFA over some issues and encroachment over others. And for all that citing Canavan might just have been a slip of the tongue by JD, it typifies the triumphalist attitude of some in the Republic, who see Irish football as being the 26 counties plus one or two Northerners (and then only when it suits) :rolleyes:

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a slip of the tongue = the triumphalist attitude of some in the Republic .... :rolleyes:
talk about nitpicking ..... :rolleyes:

The scab of deep resentments are ever itching.

There are no plans (yet) by the FAI to open up a regional development centre inside the 6 counties.
The proposed regional development centres are strategically placed around the Republic.

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Originally Posted by co. down green

And a large proportion of the population in the North are very happy to support the principle of Players having the right to play for Ireland, if they wish.

Lets face it, a Unionist motion supporting the IFA's stance on the eligibility issue failed to get a single Nationalist vote in support at Stormont on Tuesday. So it would be fair enough to say that over 40% of the population are quite happy with FIFA's present policy of allowing players from the North to play for Ireland.

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Nothing of what I posted contradicts what you have just written, so I don't quite understand your point. :confused:

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Originally Posted by ifk101

a slip of the tongue = the triumphalist attitude of some in the Republic .... :rolleyes:
talk about nitpicking ..... :rolleyes:

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To clarify, if JD's citation of a Tyrone man was a conscious one, then it shows a blatant disrespect for the separate jurisdiction and independence of another National Association (ironically one with which he otherwise wishes to co-operate).

On the other hand, if it was just a subconscious slip, it demonstrates the mindset behind such disrespect i.e. we don't even have to consider the sensibilities of others, we'll just take whoever we want, as it suits us.

How many times does it have to be said before certain people in the ROI (and some in NI, for that matter) will cotton on, that the IFA and NI team exists, with every bit as much a valid place in world football as the FAI/ROI. As such, we are not your "little brother", we are as legitimately Irish as you are and we are not going to go away anytime soon.

Get used to it.

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Originally Posted by geysir

There are no plans (yet) by the FAI to open up a regional development centre inside the 6 counties.
The proposed regional development centres are strategically placed around the Republic.

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Fine.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

How many times does it have to be said before certain people in the ROI (and some in NI, for that matter) will cotton on, that the IFA and NI team exists, with every bit as much a valid place in world football as the FAI/ROI. As such, we are not your "little brother", we are as legitimately Irish as you are and we are not going to go away anytime soon.

Get used to it.

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Utter rubbish EG , everyone knows you exist and most people respect your right to do so, it's the right of people of nationalist persuasion who wish to declare for ROI that your association wishes to challenge the legitmacy of.
People from NI who wish to declare for ROI are not going to stop wanting to do so while you have the attitude you have towards their aspirations. The IFA need to see that that is what is effectively driving people into the arms of the FAI.

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

The IFA need to see that that is what is effectively driving people into the arms of the FAI.

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exactly. look at the whole neil lennon affair for instance

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

To clarify, if JD's citation of a Tyrone man was a conscious one, then it shows a blatant disrespect for the separate jurisdiction and independence of another National Association (ironically one with which he otherwise wishes to co-operate).

On the other hand, if it was just a subconscious slip, it demonstrates the mindset behind such disrespect i.e. we don't even have to consider the sensibilities of others, we'll just take whoever we want, as it suits us.

How many times does it have to be said before certain people in the ROI (and some in NI, for that matter) will cotton on, that the IFA and NI team exists, with every bit as much a valid place in world football as the FAI/ROI. As such, we are not your "little brother", we are as legitimately Irish as you are and we are not going to go away anytime soon.

Get used to it.

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A new low.

Are you having your period today?

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

On the other hand, if it was just a subconscious slip, it demonstrates the mindset behind such disrespect i.e. we don't even have to consider the sensibilities of others, we'll just take whoever we want, as it suits us.

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You cannot be serious.