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Slavs sent 1000s of Slavs to the gas chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Croats massacaring Serbs to be more precise (If a little over simplistic)
Also by the closing days of the war the Waffen SS was choked with Slavs, Croats and Ukranians in particular.
I would agree with you though that given history any Pole or Serb (amongst some others) who is facist is also a bit of a retard
LTID's post reminded me of that Ross Kemp's Gangs episode with the Polish neo-Nazis who showed up at football matches to start trouble. I don't think they identify themselves as fans of those teams, simply as fascists looking for trouble.
This book is mainly to do with the mentality of English football hooligans. It's more about classism than political belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
lucky they didnt put a M before there name anyway:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Why? Unless you meant Mustache, which is spelt different than the way you're implying;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gilberto_eire
Well Nazism advocated sending Slavs to the ovens they were as I say next on the hit list once the final solution had been completed. I think that to adopt a philosophy any branch of which advocated your own annihilation is like I said ''turkeys voting for Christmas'' my point is still valid.Quote:
Fascism is not defined purely in terms of German National Socialism.
Well said Lim Till Die
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I would agree with you though that given history any Pole or Serb (amongst some others) who is facist is also a bit of a retard
Ahh but that was when Left Wing political activism was highest in Britain and is thus easier to identify the grass roots politcal leanings of British Clubs. They are still clubs of left wing leanings, which is why the CSC and CCS refuse to join a Scottish national firm with Hearts, Rangers and Airdrie because of there far right leanings. Many members of each being involved in The BNP and The National Front.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
If you still refute them being Left Wing Clubs have a look at some of the photos of the green brigade. Many flags of Che Guevara etc. So in conclusion, Hibs and Celtic are where the grassroots in the majority identify themselves with the left of centre.
BTW who are on a first strike policy.
Doesn't seem to be any ideological leanings for any Eircom League of Ireland clubs though does there?
What about the Dundalk Shed Boys and their parade of flags of freedom struggles?Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Up North, surely Linfield and Donegal Celtic are associated (mainly) with both sides of the political debate.
Isn't a lot of Italian football divided along fascist / communist lines?
Roma = communist roots / lazio = fascist roots for example.
Wasn't there a furore about 15 years ago when the then compulsory skanger speckle in Fiorentina's strip was alleged to resemble a swastika?
On Celtic, it's obvious that their core support is from the Irish nationalist / catholic community, but they also draw support from non-catholics as they're seen as the non-establishment club. The Scottish "establishment" is very right wing and hence Celtic draws support from middle class liberal types , non-catholics, across Scotland too. Can't comment on Hibs.
Roma were Mussolini's club! They were founded through a forced amalgamation of Rome clubs during Fascist rule.
As for EL clubs.
We have some flags of a left wing nature - Che etc. but its very unofficial. Derry have that too.
Atalanta are a left wing club
Whilst the forced amalgamation in 1927, iirc, is true, it has never been proved that they were Mussolini's club. To quote John Foot's "Calcio": "For years rumours circulated about the role of the Fascist government in that Roma triumph (1942) but no real evidence of wrongdoing has ever emerged."Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
In the same chapter, the author notes the rumours that Mussolini was, supposedly, a Lazio fan.
In the 1920's Bologna won a title due to direct influence from the Fascists. Leandro Arpinati was a Bologna fan and president of the Italian football federation, having being installed by Mussolini, at the time. In 1925 they beat Genoa in the fourth replay of the championship playoff after crowd trouble and dodgy refereeing in at least two of the previous four games.
Ah yeah, you're right. I read Calcio but it was some time back.
It's a great book. Best book on Italian football I've found anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
On the way into the stadium for the Italy vs Ireland WC QF in 1990 I was wearing a Roma scarf tied around my head having exchanged scarves with fans earlier in the day. I was manhandled by the police, had my scarf ripped off my, had it spat on and thrown away. It only dawned on me later that the cops must have been Lazio fans!
My brother now lives in Rome and is a Roma supporter. He's always telling me about the dirty looks he gets from Lazio fans if he wears a Roma hat or jacket when he's on the train.
In this day and age is there such thing as a left-wing football club? Fans may have a certain philosophy but all clubs operate in the free market that is modern football. Also, ultra groups may the most vociferous fans but aren’t necessarily representative of the general fanbase.
Anyway, Spain:
Most Spanish are to the right but in the regions where desire for more autonomy is strongest (Basque Country, Catalunya, Galicia) ultras are almost all to the left.
Seville city is a funny one. Traditionally Betis are the working class team and Sevilla are more middle class but their ultras go against the grain - Biris (Sevilla) are left-wing and Supporters Gol Sur (Betis) are fairly facha.
Cádiz fans have a long tradition of being to the left and off the top of my head Burgos, Tenerife and Málaga all have leftie groups.
In Valencia, Levante would be more working class and Valencia more bourgeois origins. There isn’t a huge rivalry between the teas though purely because LUD have only had five seasons in Primera and Valencia (like to) see Real Madrid and FC Barcelona as our rivals. Unfortunately the Valencia ultras Yomus are fascist scum. The group I’m in, Gol Gran, has seen better days but has always been apolitical.
Espanyol are not as right-wing as you might think, their nazi ultras are a small group compared to the Penya Juvenil. On an individual basis, pericos I have met have been very sound and not at all right-wing. FCB’s philosophy is all about Catalan nationalism and any supposed socialism comes a distant second.
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Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
By the logic you're using Liverpool and Everton are far left clubs
LMFAO :DQuote:
If you still refute them being Left Wing Clubs have a look at some of the photos of the green brigade. Many flags of Che Guevara etc.
If there's a bigger symbo of capitalism today then a picture of fcuking Che Guevara I'm yet to see it
Basque Nationalism has always been associated with Catholic, right wing jiggery pokery, has it not??Quote:
Most Spanish are to the right but in the regions where desire for more autonomy is strongest (Basque Country, Catalunya, Galicia) ultras are almost all to the left.
Barcelonas most active Ultras are far right (and fairly pathetic to boot)
Was one man in fairnessQuote:
In the 1920's Bologna won a title due to direct influence from the Fascists.
Bologna has always been a red town so majority of their fans left wing
Venezia aswell while I think of it.
I did say the Republic and I would argue that there is no left/right divide politically among fans down here or in the North.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
True that but understandableQuote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Football Clubs support are merely a cross section of the views of the area they represent* and since there's no left right divide in Irish politics...............
*Thus of course making Limerick the anti-establishment loony club :p
hear hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die