Foxes bar from 5pm is the place to be for pre match refreshments. They even threw on the champagne for our first home victory a few weeks back so were expecting more tomorrow night!!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
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Foxes bar from 5pm is the place to be for pre match refreshments. They even threw on the champagne for our first home victory a few weeks back so were expecting more tomorrow night!!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
Feel free to open a topic on Cork City & Arkaga (i believe there is a thread already) but as stated above me have nothing to lose.
I remember the Waterford situation & that is why I believe it is reckless for Directors to approve a loan from themselves.
United Park = A
Drogs Debts (if they were donating the money they would not be deemed loans) = B
New stadium cost = C
Gap in money needed for new stadium C - (A-B) = ?
I would guess looking @ E10 -(E9-E4) = 5m?
Yeah should make foxes - good spot :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tir Oilean
Whoever it was must have been telling lies...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Here is an article taken from the Meath Co. Co. web site. Thus far, there have been no objections to the application. The decision date, is set for 26/09/2007. However, even after a favourable decision is made, the planning process allows a further month for objections to the decision. So assuming the application is granted and runs it's course. Then I can't see why construction cannot start before year's end!
I honestly thought that some do-gooders would have thrown a spanner in the works. Any objections to a planning decision, will involve arbitration from An Bord Pleanala, but would be an expensive option for any with an objection. Usually when a local Co. Co. make a decision, then that's that. I'd say the application is very short odds on for a 'Permission Granted' stamp!
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Planning Application: SA70455
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File Number: SA70455 Received Date: 02/08/2007
Decision Due Date: 26/09/2007
Valid Application Date: 17/08/2007
Incompleted date: 01/01/1900 Withdrawn date:
Area: Duleek
Application Type: Permission Status: New Application
Comments: See file for full development description
Applicant Details
Applicant Name: Doyle Development Ltd Drogheda United Football Club
Applicant Address: John J.Farrelly,Eoghan Farrelly Neemats Ltd 90 Harcourt Street Dublin 2.
Agent Details(If Any)
Name: DECLAN BRASSIL
Address: LINCOLN HOUSE PHOENIX STREET SMITHFIELD DUBLIN 7
Proposed Development
Development Description: The development will consist of the following elements on a site area of
Development Address: Bryanstown Beymore Drogheda, Co Meath
Architect name: Mark Blake
Location key: Drogheda
Ded Ward Standard: St. Mary's - Part of
Details of Decision
Decision MO date: Decision MO Number:
Decision: Number of Conditions/Reasons:
Grant Date: Grant MO Number:
Expiry Date:
Site Location Details
Grid Northings: 0.0 Grid Eastings: 0.0
Site area: 13.77 Floor area:
No Of Units Being Developed: 0 Number of floors: 0
Sewerage type: 0 Water type:
Nat Grid Ref: Road number:
Os Map Ref Number: 2319-d 26381-b/ Map Regist Number:
Advertisement size: 0 Esb cable length: 0
Exempted fee indic:
Fire Certificate Details (If Applicable)
Fire Cert Required:
Fire cert date:
Fire cert number:
Commencement Details (Where Notified)
Dev Commence Ind/No: / Dev Commence Date:
Dev completion dat: Rec Commence Date:
Application Fee
Fee Due: €38000.0
Other Details
Control Officer: SM One off house: No
Significant Indicator: No Retension Indicator: No
Section 84 Indicator: Motion indicator: No
Site Inspect Reqd: No Urban Rewewal Ind:
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Development code: n
Just for the application?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
That's crazy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by Cosmo
excellent
you go on about them being great self made men, but they're going to just let ye off scot free with frittering away millions of their money for the sake of one devalued league title?
Dman,
i know the following aren't your quotes but whose ever they are hasn't got a clue imo.
not true. an objection is practically free for the objector but will usually cost those looking for the planning a bit more in fees to architects and consultants etc.Quote:
Any objections to a planning decision, will involve arbitration from An Bord Pleanala, but would be an expensive option for any with an objection.
an bord pleannala are obliged to make a third party decision on the previous county/city council decision taking all information into account. there is no real burden on the objector barr his submission which is often just a single paragraph about why he doesn't like the building!!! a sad but true problem with our planning process.
nonsence. a massive proportion of decisions are appealed to an Bord Pleannala from individuals, applicants, an taisce and any amount of tree huggers you can think of. unfortunately there is no need for any legal or planning basis to their objections. another waste of resources in this country.Quote:
Usually when a local Co. Co. make a decision, then that's that. I'd say the application is very short odds on for a 'Permission Granted' stamp!
devalued league title ? fcuk off ya priickQuote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
er, no. enjoy winning The Worst League of The Century So Far TMQuote:
Originally Posted by ndrog
If you were asked to judge a massive development in terms of transport, electrical and other links, environmental impact and many other factors, each of them requiring tens of man-hours from experts, how much would you charge? It's not like they asked to put a second story over their garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
we havent won anything yet ! and if we do win it , do you think we care about the standard of other teams .You play whats put in front of you , give me a break for gods sake .We have never won a title in our history .Devalued leauge .HA HA HA :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
A grand maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Tens of man-hours?
38,000 is a large annual salary.
In fairness to Pineapple Stu and the rest of us naysayers, historically every time one club has said "this time, I guarantee it will be different" they have, in the best case scenario, ended up either back at square one or worst case, found themselves quickly out of business.
Arkaga's plan for Cork is so out of leftfield its unreal. If I was an investor I'd pull my money out. Surely investing in space tourism, nano-technology or possibly perpetual motion machines is a better financial bet than the EL?
As for Drogs, there's nothing to hide. The millionaires have publicly said they'll pull funding if they don't get planning. Spin the roulette wheel another time.....
LOL. Good arhitect could earn that in an hourQuote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
Eh, maybe two hours Dodge!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Just reading this thread now, its a real eye opener for me as to how alot of people see the planning process working, as someone who deals with it every day its something i just accept and deal with it as the seperate stages arise.
For examle on large projects (of a scale matching the DU proposal) it would normally be factored timewise for alot longer than the minimum time it takes to get a positive decision. One the application has been lodged & validated third parties have a period of 5 weeks to lodge an observation (basically these are objections, they changed the name to make it sound less aggressive) three weeks after that one of three things can happen, a decision to grant permission, a decision to refuse permission or far more likely on large scale projects a request for further information, given this is Meath County Council who i have experience of dealing with i'd be suprised if the latter option isnt the one issued. I'd base this on the fact that Meath has one of the poorest infrastructures in the country services wise (by their own admission) & every application i'm aware of is usually expected to get bogged down in service related issues. Anyway, once a request for F/I is recieved the applicant has six months to submit a response, from the date this is submitted the planning authority has 4 weeks to make a decision, this will be a decision to grant, a decision to efuse or in a minor amount of cases can request clarification of the further information, though may not ask for anything outside the scope of what was requested at the F/I stage.
Once the decision to grant/refuse has been issued, assuming in this case its a grant of PP, third parties have 4 weeks to lodge an appeal to An Bord Pleanala, although normally to appeal you are required to have lodged an observation in the original 5 week period, anyone who can show they have a case that they would be directly affected by the development is entitled to appeal irrelevant of whether they had lodged an observation or not. Once it goes to ABP dont expect a decision for at least 6 months IMO, smaller projects are taking that long & longer, though admittedly ABP are slowly but surely speeding up the process! So basically anyone expecting ths thing to sail through in a few weeks is blissfully ignorant of how these things have a nasty habit of going.
Even should a straight grant be issued with no appeals the lead in time for preperation of tender documents/ construction documents, fire safety certificate applications etc would be considerable, a factor that should be noted.
Koh
Well if it takes tens of hours, they should be earning 5s of thousands, certainly not 38,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It's criminal for a public office to be charging that for what is essentially their raison d'etre.
Have you even hired a consultant? I said tens in each category. That adds up to hundreds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
No, what I post here is all my own opinion and judgment.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Ah, g'way the lot of ye!!
So is it actually the going rate in all councils?
Just because the 'three amigos' have 'emotional attachment' doesn't mean the whole Drogheda Utd dream won't fall apart. No doubt they're committed to the cause & are Drogheda thru & thru. So was Ollie Byrne with Shels. We've seen this a hundred times before. Local bussiness man buys his local football club with hopes & dreams of winning trophies & been the best team in the land. How many times have we seen the local bussiness man & club fail & end up broke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Celdrog
Nobody wants on here wants to see another club go to the wall. People are just fed up with seeing clubs go bust in Ireland, north or south.