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04/09/2007, 2:02 PM
galwayhoop

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Originally Posted by GuisaSaigon

Galway Rovers were formed as a junior club in 1937 but only entered the LOI in '77

i'm fully aware of this.

however when listing honours (not too much ink wasted on this list btw) or the age of the club i would always refer back to the entry season to the league.

if for some reason the club ever left the LoI and went back to junior then i would use the 1937 year to give it's age.!! :confused:

it makes sense to me :D
04/09/2007, 6:15 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by Neish

What year you living in man?

Ok, now go back and read the post.
04/09/2007, 6:20 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Rocketfingers

Not true 1994 :) Rovers won the treble

And UCD in 1995.

First Division, First Division Shield and the Leinster Senior Cup. And in our centenary year too. :)
04/09/2007, 8:13 PM
BohsPartisan

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.
04/09/2007, 8:26 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Rocketfingers

No you could not count that as it is only a regional competition not a national one Stu, i know this as a fact:cool:

Senior competition is the sole criterion here!
04/09/2007, 8:59 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Rocketfingers

Try that again BP

Not trying anything. I know someone who has done extensive research on this. There was an article in our prgramme some years ago that Athlone got very upset about.
04/09/2007, 9:03 PM
pineapple stu

Who's older then - Bohs or UCD?

Edit - actually, our first game was against youz. Bugger...

Edit edit - also, youz were founded in 1890. Mixing you up with Shels. :o
04/09/2007, 9:09 PM
JC_GUFC

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Finally - don't forget that 2009 will also be the 20th anniversary of the only treble ever achieved in Irish club football........ :D

Actually 75 years ago Rovers completed the treble, which they also managed in 1925 and 1964. Bohs also completed the treble in 1928.

Linfield have the world record for most trophies won in a season. They won the septuple in 1922!
04/09/2007, 10:17 PM
atfconline

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.

"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)
04/09/2007, 10:28 PM
superfrank

Five shillings!!! Those were the days. I pay fifty euro for a Wicklow league side.
05/09/2007, 9:41 AM
Battery Rover

Quote:

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Athlone Town was not formed in 1887.
They count the formation of some Athlone district league as being the formation of their club.

Quote:

Originally Posted by atfconline

"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)

We then played our first ever game vs Castlerea FC on the 9th February 1887 who were founded in 1882 by the same O.R. Coote. The match finished 0-0. Our first victory was on the 2nd March 1887 when we beat the local Royal Berkshire Regiment 1-0
05/09/2007, 9:58 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by superfrank

That could be the Unknowns you looked up.

Who......? ;)
05/09/2007, 10:15 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by don ramo

ya but the club is still that old, doesnt matter when you entered the league cause the same club entered the league, it wasnt a reformed club or anything, rams will be 90 in 2012 althought there in the league not even 30 years, but have history back to 1922,
limerick 37 are just about 37 weeks old, this is the problem,with clubs going bust and being remade by another grounp of individuals, like cork city, hibs, celtis, limerick fc,37, trying to keep track culd be hard, even in some cases we never know a new club was formed, cause its so long ago, in rovers caes the club was bought by the fans so its the same club, its msut go bust and once you use a name you cant use it again, cork and limerick couldnt and i think they might run out of names at some stage:D

Clubs as legal entities chop and change all the time, but often the players, fans, stadioum etc don't change.

I would therefore say the key determinant in whether a club should be considered 'new' or not is whether they kept their league place, or had to re-apply. Dublin City kept Home Farm's league placer - so despite what Ronan Seery might say, they were therefore the same club.

I'm not sure if Waterford had to seek re-admission when they changed their name in 1982, but I would doubt they did.
05/09/2007, 12:49 PM
galwayhoop

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Clubs as legal entities chop and change all the time, but often the players, fans, stadioum etc don't change.

I would therefore say the key determinant in whether a club should be considered 'new' or not is whether they kept their league place, or had to re-apply. Dublin City kept Home Farm's league placer - so despite what Ronan Seery might say, they were therefore the same club.

I'm not sure if Waterford had to seek re-admission when they changed their name in 1982, but I would doubt they did.

going by that then steve are you saying that L37 are only months old as they had to re-apply (iirc)???
05/09/2007, 1:51 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

going by that then steve are you saying that L37 are only months old as they had to re-apply (iirc)???

Yes. If a team has to apply from afresh for a league slot, how can they be considered the same entity as another team in the league that already had a league spot (unless that other team finished last in the First and needed re-election anyway) ? I'm talking footballing terms here, not legal ones (or even sentimental ones). The same team wouldn't need to apply for a league slot that it already has

L37 are definitely a new team - as the whole plan behind having them was to depose the other Limerick team that was going awry. Waterford, Galway Rovers, and Home Farm in its various guises (incl Dublin City) were just the same team in the same league slot, but with new names.
05/09/2007, 6:28 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by atfconline

"We are in a position to announce that O.R. Coote Esq., Larkfield is organising a club under Association rules and already a large number of young men of the town have become members, the annual subscription being five shillings."
Westmeath Independent, January 8th 1887

Do some better research. ;)

Doesn't say the name of the club, the wherabouts of the club or anything like that. Thats like Liverpool saying they were formed in 1878 because Everton was formed that year.
That club was not Athlone Town FC any more than Cork City is a continuation of Cork Hibs.
05/09/2007, 6:34 PM
atfconline

That was the foundation of Athlone Town Football Club, in 1887, and not a league as you originally suggested. Make up your mind which straw you want to clutch at.
05/09/2007, 6:36 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by atfconline

That was the foundation of Athlone Town Football Club, in 1887, and not a league as you originally suggested. Make up your mind which straw you want to clutch at.

Where in your "evidence" does it say Athlone Town Football Club?
05/09/2007, 6:38 PM
atfconline

Make up your mind first, you said we claim our origins from a local league.
05/09/2007, 6:41 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by atfconline

Make up your mind first, you said we claim our origins from a local league.

Some district thing. I took it for league maybe he said district club, the article was a long time ago. It may be resurfacing soon though.

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