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Cymro, there have been times in the last 10 years where a player with Trundle's ability may have been capped by Ireland, but to be honest we just don't need him right now. We have two very good international forwards as near automatic first choices and an abundance of young forwards with great potential either at weaker Premiership clubs or the better Championship clubs.
I see your point but how many Irish strikers are playing and scoring regularly in their leagues?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Doyle, Keane and David Connolly come to mind, are there any others though?
Surely Lee deserves a chance in a friendly at least, it's not like there's anything riding on the outcome of those games so why not take a look?
Well, Elliott has scored a lot of goals at Championship level. Stokes got 14 in only a short spell in the SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Keogh has been getting rave reviews, not so much for his goals but for his all round play.
I think my point still stands & we've more to gain by developing these guys early than by giving Trundle a shot now.
I do think it's telling that nobody better than Bristol City has shown an interest in him.
Sheffield Wednesday made a £750K bid and Everton were reported to be interested but were put off by the then £2m pricetag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Stokes scored 14 last year in a league where a majority of the teams are not better than League One standard. In my opinion. Lee would normally get more than that if he were fully fit. While Elliott has scored 22 in 81 appearences for Sunderland which works out at about 1 goal every 4 games as opposed to Lee's 1 goal every other game in L1, and yes I know it's a step up to the Championship but as I've said Lee has scored wherever he's been so there is no reason to think he will not continue the trend in the Championship.
Keogh has always looked good whenever I've seen him but again his strike rate is not as good as Lee's. Although he's younger and I think he has potential to be a good player he certainly does not merit a place in the Irish squad on performances any more than Lee does.
Also-I've made a perfectly good point regard the 'age' argument which seems to be the main one against him getting a place in the squad fopr a friendly, and I do think that deserves looking at before people just say 'oh but player X and Y are X and Y years younger than Trundle'.
Can i ask a question, what standard are we judging players at international level. Lapira, Folan, Ireland, or Keane & Duffs??
Alan Lee scored 16 last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
I agree with your view on Trundle and fully expect him to hit the 15 to 20 goal mark this season. I know we have better strikers than him and including him in the squad could take the away the chance of one of Keogh, Stokes, Elliott, Murphy etc. to pick up some valuable experience. The last time he was talking about his desire to play for Ireland I said it was too late and that he should have been given his chance in the Kerr era but when i think more about it all the above-mentioned players have time to prove themselves. IMO Trundel should be given a chance in a B game or half an hour in a friendly before it really is too late for him. It cant do any harm.
I think its mainly because of the options we have available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Doyle- Proven Premiership standard
Keane- Proven Premiership standard
Stokes- Premiership player this year
Murphy- Premiership player this year
Connolly- Premiership player this year and proven himself fully in the Championship.
O' Donovan- A Premiership move is very much looking on the cards for him
Keogh- Excellent season last year with wolves
Long- Squad player for Reading
Morrisson- Has been a good servant to us in the past
Lee- Consistently performed in the Championship
Thats 10 forwards who would be ahead of him, and there probably is a couple of more to be added to that list. Why should we try a player who has yet to play 1 minute of Championship football just because he has his heart set on it. Cymro with those options available we really dont need him. Couldnt Wales do with him???
Elliot should definitely be on that listQuote:
Originally Posted by carloz
If Ward can rediscover the form he had after the move to Wolves, he'd be ahead of Trundle
Leon Best, Billy Clarke and Jonathan Walters all have youth on their side
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Agree with all this, Trundle can F** right off until he's playing for the likes of Liverpool for a year or two!
with paddy on this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy
Doyle and Keane are very much ahead of Lee in the pecking order-no-one's arguing that. However there are 4 or 5 spots in the squad for strikers, and since we're talking about friendlies here (which don't count for anything) I see no reason why Lee shouldn't be considered. If you watch him, you'll grow to like him. And I've dispelled most of the actual complaints against Lee here. Saying 'we have better options' is both unprovable and subjective. Whilst Lee is not proven in the Championship or Premiership unlike about 4 of your list above, he is proven as top quality in every other league he has played in. So for me, only around four of those you listed could be ahead of Trundle in terms of actual merit. Keogh, Long, Stokes, Murphy, O'Donovan and probably Morrison can't. If you get an injury, he's got to be considered, particularly if he keeps up his form for us when he starts for real with Bristol City.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
We could do with him all right but he doesn't qualify for us. Shame. Then we could show you what you're missing when we play you in Cardiff. ;)
The late-start-to-career scouse reminds me of John Aldridge. I'm superstitious and that would be enough for me to stick him in the squad. BUT I also think stan wouldn't have to be superstitious to call him up. The likes of Keogh, Ward and O'Donovan, Will be around for a long time and none of them really have anything that different to offer than our no1 strikers keane and doyle, if one of them has to come off. Trundle has a bag of tricks which he can employ and off the bench that could do a lot to a tired defense. If you believe he can only terrorize a league one defense, look at t he standard of players on Wales's back 5. I'd say Trundle could give those triers a good runaround.
No, no, no.
We should only call up non Irish born if they are significantly better than we have. He's not even on a par with our top 5 strikers.
That post is just wrong on so many levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Are you Stan? Just because they play for a Premiership team that means they're automatically better than anyone who doesn't? Only Keane, Doyle, Morrisson and Lee and to some extent Stokes have proved themselves at a higher level than Trundle has. If he gets off to a good start in the Championship he has (or at least should) a great chance of making the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Exactly the point I've been trying to make........Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
We'll see how Lee does in the Championship, if he doesn't cut the mustard then fine write him off but I've a feeling he'll succeed personally.
I may as well throw in my say- I for one think Lee will have a successful Championship season this year and score well into the double digits.
The man has the skill and trickery to be successful at any level.
I have no bias for or against Lee Trundle, and feel that regardless of his age, if he is banging in more goals than his Championship "countrymen" then he should get his chance with the national team.
:D:D:D, with strikers available like Murphy, Stokes, Long, Doyle, Keane, Connolly, O'Donovan, Keogh, Ward, Elliot, lee....where exactly do you see trundle fitting in??
It's been said already that most of them have done nothing. Try to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
I think you've got your wires crossed- I meant that the answer to that question had been dealt with in the thread. If citizenerased wanted to know people thought Trundle could have a chance of making the squad he should have read the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban