Sven Goran Eriksson

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10/07/2007, 10:19 AM
fitzyjr

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Portugal that knocked them out were only a one mam team (Figo), and were rubbish really

we seem to be forgetting the current english young player of the year and player of the year = C. Ronaldo. he did play a part in knocking england out of the Euro 04. and then theres Ricardo in goal. he practically won the penalty shootout for portugal.

and on to some of Steve Bruce's player examinations:
rooney- great player, but always looks like he just ate two christmas dinners
rio ferdinand- he only looks world class when he has vidic or terry to protect him. when vidic was injured he fell apart quite often
david beckham- has a good cross and FK, but he has no mind for the game as we seen in englands last matches. he spends very little time in his position when all they want of him is a quality cross for crouch, instead he takes up an area in frnt of the back four where he isnt needed.
joe cole- i dont know how hes playing with chelsea or england, lennon is a much better player.
paul robinson- perhaps the dodgiest keeper in the EPL. after David James' season he clearly should be back in goal.

Greece's win was all down to that legend in goal whose name i can never pronoune or remember. plus they had stelios- good player. and karagounis.
10/07/2007, 6:18 PM
bennocelt

Sorry Portugal were a one man team, without Figo they wouldnt have got anywhere.................Ronaldo didnt do too much in the last world cup

England do have the players to perform..........3/4 English teams in the CL this year............what does that say?

Eriksson? is he a coach??? Dont think so?
Was a success in italy for a short while, but then that was when football was in the doldrums..........Steau Bucharest, Red Star, Marseille..........boring, largely to forget
As I said, this season will be fun and games:)
10/07/2007, 10:13 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

England do have the players to perform..........3/4 English teams in the CL this year............what does that say?

Not a lot - for one thing how many English players in those 3 teams?
10/07/2007, 11:31 PM
fitzyjr

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Not a lot - for one thing how many English players in those 3 teams?

thank you. thats exactly what i was going to say. 3/4 english teams consisting of players ronaldo, giggs, heinze, vidic, shevchenko, cech, reina, riise, kuyt, etc, etc, etc.
11/07/2007, 12:18 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Not a lot - for one thing how many English players in those 3 teams?

Fair enough but another way of looking at it is that 8 of their usual starting 11 were involved in European semi finals this year
11/07/2007, 1:17 PM
sfc red

This thread is the biggest joke ever. Ferdinand, Beckham, Gerrard etc "world class"? Give me a break.

Some of the statements made here have been ridiculous beyond belief.

Eriksson has a poor record as England manager? Played 67; Won 40; Drawn 17; Lost 10.
11/07/2007, 3:17 PM
fitzyjr

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Originally Posted by sfc red

Eriksson has a poor record as England manager? Played 67; Won 40; Drawn 17; Lost 10.

he has a poor record based on the team he has at his disposal. theres so many defenders that he had to leave out jamie carragher, who in all fairness was savage this year. he also was stupid enough to get caught up with the whole hype about beckham. clearly beckham shouldn't have been starting in that team. lennon is a much better player, and even downing would have been better. another thing- how do you excuse him for bringing walcott to the world cup when he had two half fit strikers. hes an idiot.

and then everything he was involved in off the pitch would have a negative impact in the dressing room. players would have lost alot of respect for him.

and this thread wasnt actually supposed to be about his england career. it was about how people thought hed do next year with man city.
11/07/2007, 5:31 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Not a lot - for one thing how many English players in those 3 teams?

Yeah sure, i was waiting for this responce
but you still have the body work of a good team.............Carragher, Ferdinand, Cole, Gerrard (Or Lamps), Carrick, Rooney, Terry, Neville, Crouch, Brown, etc........which was kindof my point:)
03/01/2008, 10:49 AM
superfrank

I'd just like to drag this up again and remind some posters how well Sven is doing with Man City. Nowhere near relegation as someone suggested.

I think it pretty much proves how much the English media damaged his reputation in these islands after he didn't win the World Cup with them.
03/01/2008, 9:14 PM
Stuttgart88

I think EndaBob's assessment of the English team is quite accurate, except I think Beckham is a better player than EB thinks.

Pre-season I bought into the media's rumours that eriksson hadn't even seen his signings and was horrified at the prospect of Stephen Ireland being dropped at the expense of some foreigner he'd only seen in video.

I now accept that his signings were very good and I applaud the form he has got from the 2 Irish lads. Dunne is playing better than ever.

I don't think Eriksson under achieved with England. He made tournament qualification a formality and they pretty much found their level in every tournament they qualified for. Only taking 4 forwards to Germany was a mistake but their performance against Brazil in Japan, for which he was heavily criticised, was a failing of the English game and their players.
03/01/2008, 9:50 PM
bennocelt

Yeah sure I thought they would be relegated, but hell take out the top 4 and the EPL is crap.
i wont mention all the money he has spent on players he was "advised" to buy without even seeing
Did i already mention he isnt even a football coach!
But anyway they still wont win anything
04/01/2008, 12:02 AM
superfrank

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Yeah sure I thought they would be relegated, but hell take out the top 4 and the EPL is crap.

They're actually in the top 4 at the moment though. Big improvement on last years performance when they finished 14th and couldn't score at home. Now they have the second best home record in the league (9W 2D 0L), better than Liverpool at Anfield (4W 5D 1L) or Chelsea at Stamford Bridge (6W 4D 0L).

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

i wont mention all the money he has spent on players he was "advised" to buy without even seeing

Lawrie Sanchez spent >�20m and look where it got him. Benitez spent a lot too and Liverpool aren't making the same kind of improvement. Same with Newcastle. West Ham have spent big as well. Tell me why those sides aren't doing as well.

"Advised"? All managers are advised on the players they buy. Wenger would be some miracle worker if he had time to traipse around Europe finding all the bright talent Arsenal have. Ferguson can't do it either or any other manager for that matter. Ever hear of scouts?
04/01/2008, 12:05 AM
NeilMcD

I think Erickson and Keane spent the same amount on players, Keane went for players he had worked with and saw many times in training and Erickson went for players that he saw on DVD. Now I know Erickson had a better base to work with but still the difference is huge. Admint it Bennocelt you got it wrong and what makes it funny is that you were so slating of him and of anybody that supported him.
04/01/2008, 12:10 AM
superfrank

Thanks Neil, completely forgot about Keane spending a small fortune at Sunderland.
04/01/2008, 12:43 AM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

But anyway they still wont win anything

He's managing Manchester City. When you're rated to go down and then you finish fifth and still be slated because below the top four is rubbish - just what has he to do to get some credit?:rolleyes:
04/01/2008, 8:58 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Yeah sure I thought they would be relegated, but hell take out the top 4 and the EPL is crap.

Man City are in the Top 4 :rolleyes: You usually find that the Top 4 in most countries are better than the teams below them and I think the English teams are doing ok in the UEFA Cup. There is a big gap ok between the Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U and the rest but there is also a big gap between those clubs and most other teams in Europe. You listen to Dunphy too much.
04/01/2008, 5:53 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think Erickson and Keane spent the same amount on players, Keane went for players he had worked with and saw many times in training and Erickson went for players that he saw on DVD. Now I know Erickson had a better base to work with but still the difference is huge. Admint it Bennocelt you got it wrong and what makes it funny is that you were so slating of him and of anybody that supported him.

No i usually wait till the end of the season:), but yeah i was wrong Man City wont be relegated
but im still right on Sven, he is crap, and all those teams that you mentioned spending money....well guess what.....they are crap too!
Take out the top 4 in the Premieership and its a joke (well maybe everton and blackburn), do the same in spain or italy and you can see the difference (seville, villreeal or roma for example)

Arsene Venger doesnt just watch a DVD, listen to a scout, or corss his fingers hoping for a good lucky buy............he actually buys players that he knows can fit into his system of football..............:rolleyes:.
04/01/2008, 6:42 PM
eirebhoy

I can't say I rate Sven too highly tbh. They were extremely lucky to beat Azerbaijan and Wales away as well as Austria and Poland at home. If they hadn't got such an excellent defence they'd have been screwed because they were outplayed for large periods of those games. At the world cup itself they struggled to beat Trinidad. Again it was a defensive performance against Paraguay after they scored and Paraguay dominated the game.

This is England. Some of the best players in the world to choose from. They always looked ordinary under Sven. I bet they look better under Capello and dominate more games.
04/01/2008, 7:21 PM
gustavo

Oh I dont even know where to begin on this one.:D

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Take out the top 4 in the Premieership and its a joke (well maybe everton and blackburn), .

So there's only 4-6 good teams in the whole of English football?

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

but im still right on Sven, he is crap, and all those teams that you mentioned spending money....well guess what.....they are crap too! .

If he was that crap , his team certainly wouldnt be in the position they are in now , nor would he have ever won a trophy as a manager at all no matter how much money was spent.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

.do the same in spain or italy and you can see the difference (seville, villreeal or roma for example)

The same Roma who are 2nd at the moment in Serie A ?and who have finished in that position the last 2 seasons . Sevilla came 3rd last season and were top for large periods of it , going through a rough patch now though , Villareal are in 4th now.and have finished in the top 4 before.
To be fair your assertion about the strengths of the mid ranking Italian and Spanish teams would have been true maybe 2-3 years ago but I dont think its true now.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

Arsene Venger doesnt just watch a DVD, listen to a scout, or corss his fingers hoping for a good lucky buy............he actually buys players that he knows can fit into his system of football..

So you dont think Eriksson thought that there could be a role for Elano or Petrov in his team , You think they just appeared out of nowhere as a surprise to him ?And I think you'll find that managers all over the world listen to the advice of scouts, thats what they are bloody there for
04/01/2008, 11:01 PM
Closed Account 2

Looks like some on this thread need to eat all the humble pies.

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