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The vast majority of these incidences (which are still fairly rare) happen outside the ground.
Security outside of grounds is the responsibility of the Gardai.
In many other countries, the police force assess the level of security required in and around the ground and the club are required to pay directly for the policing. This is not the case in Ireland.
If this was the case, clubs would be unable to afford the cost of adequate policing.
Catch 22.
Clubs Absolutely do have to pay for policing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
That's all true but how come if Rovers were involved in trouble outside a ground the above wouldn't hold? And if we try to use that line of argument it's usually shot down. Yet it's ok for DUFC to absolve themselves of all blame. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Incidentally, Drogheda refused to give any assistance to Rovers after the incident. Again, if it was the other way around.....
KOH
On the cameraman I can only assume that it has got to do with insurance etc, that gantry is well dodgy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
Was childish but not revenge, little ****s that did it probably wouldn't know who Simon Webb is.
So you can prove that can you? You saw the incident? Why were you waiting around for the team bus? Every team know the trouble-makers, doesn't mean they know there names or addresses.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Since you know so much, where exactly was bus when it got stoned? What window was broken?
'Cos there would be a police presence, they left before the team bus pulled up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Only the token 2 guards inside the ground texting their mates though?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Serious:eek: ?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
Thats shocking behaviour. Whatever about them claiming they could do nothing about it because it was outside the ground surely they should have offered to help.
To my mind thats almost worse tbh
I think you know the answer as well as I do, its double standards because Rovers carry a "reputation" for this kind of thing going back about 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
I don't agree with it, you don't agree with it, but as long as Mick McCaffrey and his ilk are going to keep writing tripe it will perpetuate the myth that Rovers cause the vast majority of trouble in the EL. As a result of this reputation (deserved or underserved) Rovers seem to act as a homing beacon for every lowlife in the vacinity of everty ground they visit.
That said, morons like the one that abused Simon Web don't exactly help your cause.
All true, to quote one of our board - "The general level of arrogance and rudeness from DUFC towards everyone connected with SRFC all night was nearly worse than the actual incident."Quote:
Originally Posted by SÓC
As for the apologist above re. the gantry, I asked our cameraman was it a case of insurance or accreditation and he told me it never even got that far. He was simply told to F**k off by DUFC officials.
The sooner the bubble bursts at that disgrace of a club the better.
KOH
You failed to answer any of my questions, you didn't see the incident, window got smashed, shouldn't have happened, get over it. Rovers fans are trying to take some of the heat they have been getting off themselves and onto Drogheda. You have the hard core Burberry wearing scum (grown men not schooligans) who regularly try to cause agro.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
As for cameraman don't believe that.
There was a good police presence during the match, they left before the team bus though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
why do you all run for the paripits to defend your clubs yobbo,s with stupid comments like its only one person or its only a minority, or you started it first or you did it last year, or its outside so not our problem
this slagging back and forward is becoming a pain in the arse.
i propose that we take a line from the bible and let he (club) who is without sin cast the first stone that should shut most of you up.
Can I point out that I wasn't 'flaming' WeAreRovers per se so much as pointing out the irony of a loyal KOH Hoopster saying "the sooner the bubble bursts at that disgrace of a club the better". Presumably this means that any support for Rovers over the Thomas Davis Affair from Drogheda fans is unwelcome?
Like most of the other Bohs fans I recall reading on this site I condemn schooligan filth with a particular annoyance. This latest fracas seems to have been a thankfully minor incident, though, given the bad feeling over the Webb incident and what might have happened had the cup game been closer to that event.
Not by me, and I'm letting this one go too. We usually allow the first couple of Bohs/Rovers rubbishy threads alone too. Its just when you get 4/5 a day they get choppedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaime
3 posts Grayzer, and you know everything. Well done, that man!
One side of the bus was put in last night and the driver is a lucky man. It's well that he held his nerve and controlled the vehicle. We could have been looking at very different headlines today.
DUFC say that those who did it weren't at the game. That means they know who they are. Will they turn them in?
Also, who knew when the Rovers' players were ready to leave and the bus was being called up? That's the sort of question Drogheda should be be asking today.
wearerovers whats your point are you saying
a. you dont have a scum problem
b. its only a tiny minority.
c. it does not happen
d. we are provoked.
if you accept that along with a number of clubs you have scumbags who have attached themselves to your fine club and go to games to incite trouble the maybe you can begin to deal with them ,to the other posters who just love to point our the shortfall in rovers i think you should get your own houses in order first before judging others.
before we get totally sidetracked and miss the point here, what rovers fans are trying to say is not that drogs are hoolies and no-one else has a problem.
its the total contrast in reactions of the club.
one loon gives verbals to web, our chairman apologises to the player and directors. doolin goes on tv3 and gives out about it. action is taken by the club and the guy banned.
there is a physical attack on our players and not only did drogs not help by letting our driver into the clubhouse to wait for an ambulance, they issue a press release refusing to accept any responsibilty for the 'shamrock rovers incident' (ie we were implicitly involved) and deny that their fans were involved. no speech from doolin this week despite the fact there were actual injuries, ergo a far more serious attack.
we wouldnt get away with it, why should drogs?
can we ignore the tit for tat and ask why the rules are different for rovers?
and mickdlk, the difference is the incident you started a thread on never happened. this did and someone got hurt
The rules are different because the incidents are different. It's the age-old 'outside the ground' versus 'inside the ground'. Drogheda United can't ban people from throwing stones in Drogheda. The gardaí should be dealing with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhNoYouDidn't
When's the last time the Rovers board -- or any board -- issued a public apology for the violent actions of what people alleged were Rovers fans, outside of a football ground?
This has nothing got to do with the Webb incident except that it's the same two teams.
If your man said that to Webb at the lights when Webb was driving home do you reckon Rovers would have issued a public apology?
Is a Dundalk fan seriously trying to have a go at any club about their "hooligan" element?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk
Passerby is spot on...
The last 3 times Pats have played there too. And its the only trouble we ever get outside of DublinQuote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk
Both these incidents happened inside the grounds for all intents and purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
I was more driving at the difference in reaction from the respective boards and managements. Doolin and the rest of the Drogs arent so vocal this week when the shoe is on the other foot.
We as a club were treated appalingly up there and to refuse help a man who needed medical attention.....
mickdlk, no-one broke any gates. we walked out of the ground as per Garda instructions.
Are you Maxi?Quote:
Originally Posted by mickdlk