The Ronaldo Debate

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12/04/2007, 6:06 PM
bennocelt

this is the season where Ronaldo has to show us if he is as good as all the hype and so far he is, even if he cant actually cross a decent enough ball, but that performance against roma was class

Kaka? was useless against bayern munich i thought

for me the best players i have seen this season was/ is jamie carragher, if Liverpool can go all the way in the CL, could he be the best player of the world?
or do english players ever win these thing anymore?
12/04/2007, 7:34 PM
Lim till i die

1. He doesn't track back.

Example: Any joy Roma were getting before capitulation the other night was from Pannucci down the left as a direct result of Ronaldo not bothering his ar$e

So that rules him out for best all rounder

2. Constantly fails to deliver the final ball

Example: Any game you care to watch him in

So that rules him out of being best provider

3. What about best goalscorer?

Not by a long shot pal

So in conclusion a decent, if disgustingly overated player who has a long way to go before being considered world class

Anyone who mentions him in the same sentence as Maradona unless its to say how far superior Maradona was should be banned from watching football
12/04/2007, 7:37 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

for me the best players i have seen this season was/ is jamie carragher,

See more players would be my advice

In fairness to Carragher though he's the prime example of an absolute plodder getting every last drop out of his limited ability by always giving 100%

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if Liverpool can go all the way in the CL, could he be the best player of the world?

He's a long way from being the best player in the Merseyside part of it for God sake :eek:
12/04/2007, 9:19 PM
Soper

Carragher is far too 'last ditch' for my liking. Terry is far superior, in my opinion.
12/04/2007, 9:24 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

1. He doesn't track back.

Example: Any joy Roma were getting before capitulation the other night was from Pannucci down the left as a direct result of Ronaldo not bothering his ar$e

So that rules him out for best all rounder

So that rules him out of being best provider

3. What about best goalscorer?

Not by a long shot pal

16 or more goals this season would suggest not a bad return for a midfielder,
manure utds top scorer

and jeez you would hardly expect him to track back as far as the defence line when john o shea and fletcher had that side covered for, or are you just mimicking what ray houghton was talking about
you expect far too much wehn you require an attacking minded winger to be tracking back that far
12/04/2007, 9:48 PM
Risteard

Time for a Worlds Best Player poll methinks.
Nominations.
Cristiano Ronaldo.
Ronaldinho
John Terry
Fabio Cannavaro
Kaka
Messi?
Henry?
Totti?
12/04/2007, 9:51 PM
Soper

I think Pirlo is a possible contender for that too.
12/04/2007, 11:44 PM
stojkovic

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Originally Posted by 2legged tackle

I know there two completly different players but if your on about performing on the big stage, Nesta was unbelivable in the world cup, and as for last night. Top class!
I know he'll never get the same attention as Ronaldo but for me Nesta is the best footballer in the world.

:eek: :eek: :D

Nesta is a great defender but he only played two full games in the last World Cup.

Best player for me at the moment is Kaka because he plays and creates through the middle, I dont think CRonaldo could do that.

CRonaldo is undoubtedly the best WINGER and has the potential to become as good as Figo. Although I think Messi will be better. CRonaldo may let himself down in the future by the way he loves himself abit too much. I think he should get the hell out of England if he wants to reach his potential.

Terry, Carvalho and Carragher are the best defenders at the moment. Cannavarro has had a quiet season at Madrid.

Will be interesting to see how Maldini copes with CRonaldo if they come face to face. Maldini is more in the centre nowadays. Last time Paolo had him in his pocket and laughed at his step-overs. However they are both two years older.
13/04/2007, 12:12 AM
Risteard

Maldini playing is ridiculous at this stage. Soon to be 39. Alright for Sheringham but this guy is in Champions League finals and semis.
Any idea how he's playing recently?
13/04/2007, 12:18 AM
Risteard

Just saw that Costacurta still gets the odd game for them. He's 41 next week.
13/04/2007, 8:55 AM
anto1208

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

1. He doesn't track back.

Example: Any joy Roma were getting before capitulation the other night was from Pannucci down the left as a direct result of Ronaldo not bothering his ar$e

So that rules him out for best all rounder

2. Constantly fails to deliver the final ball

Example: Any game you care to watch him in

So that rules him out of being best provider

3. What about best goalscorer?

Not by a long shot pal

So in conclusion a decent, if disgustingly overated player who has a long way to go before being considered world class

Anyone who mentions him in the same sentence as Maradona unless its to say how far superior Maradona was should be banned from watching football

1.If him not tracking back rules him out them it must also rule out ronaldinho , maradona, best, pele etc etc

2. 19 assists in 44 games Speaks for itself about delivering a final ball

3. 20 goals in 44 games from midfield yea rubbish goalscorer .

As constantly stated on this thread no one is saying he is the best ever we are sayin ghe is the best at the moment 20 goals 19 assists speaks for itself anyone that still cant see that should be banned from watching football as they are clearly clueless or just very anti EPL
13/04/2007, 10:15 AM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by jebus

We started talking about this in the RTE Panel thread, but I didn't want to take too off topic so I decided to start this thread about whether or not Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in the world, if he can go on to be one of the greats and if he isn't the best player in the world, then who is?

Personally I don't think has the same sort of spark that set Zidane, Maradona and Pele apart, in my mind they are the big three as far as football legends go, and I can't see Ronaldo ever breaking into that bracketing. As for if he's the best player in the world today and if not then who? Well for my money Kaka of AC Milan beats him hands down. He's got the same skills as Ronaldo, but has a better footballing head about him. I think a lot of the Ronaldo hype has a lot to do with the British media wanting the Premiership to have the best player in the world playing in that league. If Kaka were to sign for Chelsea this summer, and Ronaldo left United for (say) Real Madrid, they'd start hyping Kaka in the same way they have done Ronaldo.

All that said though Ronaldo is a far better player than Wayne Rooney ;)

He's signed 5 year contract with United.
13/04/2007, 3:16 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

He's signed 5 year contract with United.

He's advisors are also supposed to be meeting the Real Madrid hierarchy on a weekly basis, so who knows what he'll do? personally if I was him I'd head off to La Liga, better quality of play over there, and a chance to out himself against Ronaldinho, Messi and possibly Kaka next season in a 'who's better' contest
13/04/2007, 4:03 PM
Billy Lord

Ronaldo isn't the best player at Manchester United, never mind the world. Paul Scholes is a much better player who is consistently superb but because he's a ginger-haired 'ordinary' bloke who shuns hype, he gets ignored.
13/04/2007, 4:22 PM
micls

I think Messi is a better player already and at their respective peaks Messi will be streets ahead of him. Fabregas will be a better player in the long term too IMO.
15/04/2007, 3:21 PM
Lim till i die

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1.If him not tracking back rules him out them it must also rule out ronaldinho , maradona, best, pele etc etc

Their genius meant they shouldn't have to bother. It's different when your a genius ;)

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2. 19 assists in 44 games Speaks for itself about delivering a final ball

Are you honestly telling me you don't find him wasteful??

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3. 20 goals in 44 games from midfield yea rubbish goalscorer .

All well and good but is he the best, or even one of the best??

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As constantly stated on this thread no one is saying he is the best ever we are sayin ghe is the best at the moment

I know, I can read anto

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20 goals 19 assists speaks for itself anyone that still cant see that should be banned from watching football as they are clearly clueless or just very anti EPL

Oh, look, I see what you did there. That's really, really, really clever
15/04/2007, 5:22 PM
Kildare Lad

What about Steven Gerrard anyone?

He can score goals, pass superbly, tackle, attack, defend, hes shown his ability to be a great leader. Actually what cant he do?
16/04/2007, 7:42 AM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by Kildare Lad

What about Steven Gerrard anyone?

He can score goals, pass superbly, tackle, attack, defend, hes shown his ability to be a great leader. Actually what cant he do?

Probably the third best midfield player at Anfield at the minute
16/04/2007, 9:56 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

Ronaldo isn't the best player at Manchester United, never mind the world. Paul Scholes is a much better player who is consistently superb but because he's a ginger-haired 'ordinary' bloke who shuns hype, he gets ignored.

Are you Johnny Giles in disguise ;) ?
16/04/2007, 10:45 AM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Are you Johnny Giles in disguise ;) ?

No, He's Dunphy, GET HIM!!! :eek: :p

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