St Pats v Cork City - Match report

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03/04/2007, 4:30 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

"ATTACKED" Get a grip will you. O'Donavan went in with high studs on Ryan. Ryan went to O'Donovan and they hit shoulders. O'donovan went down like he was shot, a disgrace, as shown here:

From our angle looked headbutt but i'll admit pictures not conclusive & if he was really hurt would not have got up so quickly.

I thought the ref was poor as he would penalise head high foot but rarely penalised high studs for both sides. His advantage rulings with inconsistent too - i could not figure out when he would allow or deny it. Watching IL refs makes me appreciate eL refs.

Was reasonable game but in weak group these games have not been too competitive. Would welcome a Pats v City final & chance to do a Drogs. :)
03/04/2007, 4:42 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

he's an experienced scumbag and rather than raising his hands, he turned around, away from play, and charged at roy with his shoulder and head.

the disgrace is both that ryan proceeded to stand over o'donovan shouting abuse and pulling at his jersey, and that the referee bottled it - not for the first time that night, given his rather mixed understanding of the "advantage" rule.

Why is O'Donovan holding his face when there was clearly no contact made with his face:confused: Seemed to be quite a nasty injury judging by the way he fell, stayed down and rolled about in agony. To be fair, he showed excellent powers of recovery by playing on after the "shoulder/head charge". :rolleyes:
03/04/2007, 4:46 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Why is O'Donovan holding his face when there was clearly no contact made with his face:confused: Seemed to be quite a nasty injury judging by the way he fell, stayed down and rolled about in agony. To be fair, he showed excellent powers of recovery by playing on after the "shoulder/head charge". :rolleyes:

clearly? i'm guessing you're basing that on a youtube clip, or else you'll know it wasn't clear. it looking like a headbutt if anything from the right side of the stand, closer to the incident. if any contact was made with roy's face, he's fully justified in milking it, and in any case, roy's actions afterwards hardly impact on the fact that that scumbag cokehead couldnt control himself as usual.
03/04/2007, 4:50 PM
Hibs4Ever

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

clearly? i'm guessing you're basing that on a youtube clip, or else you'll know it wasn't clear. it looking like a headbutt if anything from the right side of the stand, closer to the incident. if any contact was made with roy's face, he's fully justified in milking it, and in any case, roy's actions afterwards hardly impact on the fact that that scumbag cokehead couldnt control himself as usual.

So you think he was right to try get a fellow professional sent off??

You Sir are a muppet

There was NO contact to O'Donovans face. How could you possibly see from where you were, and then question a clip which also shows there was no contact to his face. I was standing on that side, and end of the ground and saw it clearly

He wasn't hit in face, FACT he went to ground holding his face FACT. A cheat you might say
03/04/2007, 5:08 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

He wasn't hit in face, FACT he went to ground holding his face FACT. A cheat you might say

if thats cheating, what exactly is attacking another player?

the clip doesnt bloody show anything, its not even in focus. as i said, whether or not roy milked it, it hardly changes the fact you havent addressed - junkie turned an innocuous challenge into an agressive attack.
03/04/2007, 5:14 PM
kdjaC

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

both teams were very poor and it wont have improved any of the distinguished guest's opinions of the league if those were supposed to be the two on-form teams at the moment. apart from the set piece, all of SPA's chances came "on the break", and didnt seem to worry mick too much. for all our possession we created very little, though denis behan missing from 5 yards and the ref bottling it when barry ryan attacked roy o'donovan added a slight feeling of frustration.
the farrelly/healy decision was much worse news last night as i cant see last nights result affecting the rest of our season beyond deciding a venue.

Hmmm interesting points.....so play 3 at the back, close Cork down in midfield and force them to hoof it and then hit them on the break with pacy players.....im intrigued by your ideas.

Yours

Johnny Mac

Tbh tho Cork the only team who have tried to play football vs us but the 3 at the back and midfield shiel just forces them to go long and Maguire and Foley just love that. Brennan can play it out and has pace so that covers any tru balls which may get tru, none last night and only 1 in 1st leg. By jove i think we have Cork sussed :D

kdjac
03/04/2007, 5:21 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

Tbh tho Cork the only team who have tried to play football vs us but the 3 at the back and midfield shiel just forces them to go long and Maguire and Foley just love that. Brennan can play it out and has pace so that covers any tru balls which may get tru, none last night and only 1 in 1st leg. By jove i think we have Cork sussed :D

kdjac

in fairness, the only reason we played 4-3-3 last night was due to our comically small squad, and because we still needed to win with our young 'uns, because a draw would do nothing for us. its true, we have little creativity at the moment in midfield, as joe gamble is the best at what he does, but he's not creative, and cathal lordan and admir softic just arent ready for being in the midfield for a top-4 premier division side at the moment. its interesting that people's opinions of kearney varied so much - some people saw him as city's most active player, others saw him as being a total waste - he very rarely got his crosses past the first man.

we've found it hard to break teams down at the best of times without fenn, o'callaghan and o'flynn compared to our championship side, but the hope was that farrelly and healy in particular would make us a little less dependant on bypassing the middle - hence the frustration and fear following FIFA's latest farce.
03/04/2007, 5:33 PM
kdjaC

O Donovan will score alot of goals running off the backs of the centre backs but vs 3 he hasnt a hope, Behan doesnt hold the ball up even if he turns his back and plays back to goal he does nothing useful. So no payers can run onto him he awlasy attacks the balll even when 20 yards out.

When Healy and Farrelly play Roy and Kearney will beneift most but tbh we will still Cork sussed.

We have too small a squad to win league so hopefully get to finals of SSC or the mythical FAI cup would be ice.

kdjac
03/04/2007, 5:35 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

following FIFA's latest farce.

If everone else is cleared to play then how come it's a FIFA farce? Are they now riding Cork rock solid. Is it a Zurich conspiracy perhaps?
Two extra players will not make your squad a decent size either. The team will be better but the squad will be marginally improved.
03/04/2007, 5:42 PM
pete

I don't think our tactics were great against 3 man defence last night. I would have preferred O'Donovan to drift wide to find space in the corners.

Still though its interesting to see Pats go back to their previously successful 3-5-2 as makes games a bit more interesting than seeing 4-4-2 line up against each other.
03/04/2007, 5:46 PM
kdjaC

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Originally Posted by pete

I don't think our tactics were great against 3 man defence last night. I would have preferred O'Donovan to drift wide to find space in the corners.

Still though its interesting to see Pats go back to their previously successful 3-5-2 as makes games a bit more interesting than seeing 4-4-2 line up against each other.

Can only play that when you have decent wingbacks luckily we have 2 Murphy and Frost (crolly and clarke last time) shame one injured and the other suspended so back to the small squad thing and 433 on friday.

kdjac
03/04/2007, 7:53 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

If everone else is cleared to play then how come it's a FIFA farce? Are they now riding Cork rock solid. Is it a Zurich conspiracy perhaps?

yes, its a farce. as you said, everyone else is cleared. it'd make you wonder.

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Two extra players will not make your squad a decent size either. The team will be better but the squad will be marginally improved.

we're suffering lots of injuries at the moment, they're what've reduced our available squad size, not FIFA. We also had one player not available due to work commitments, our only remaining player not working full time in football. Tough to keep a squad like that going when you're not in the business of hemorrhaging money
03/04/2007, 8:35 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

yes, its a farce. as you said, everyone else is cleared.

No - I asked how was it a FIFA farce? Please try to keep up Gav - time is of the essence, I can only ask these questions for another few months as you have correctly pointed out we will be playing LSL football next season.
It's a Cork City farce (again).
03/04/2007, 8:48 PM
GavinZac

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

No - I asked how was it a FIFA farce? It's a Cork City farce (again).

its a cork city farce because FIFA have, inexplicably, decided its one rule for us and another for the rest? par for the course really, i suppose. you can't be this superior without a bit of bad feeling from the peasants.
03/04/2007, 8:52 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

i suppose. you can't be this superior without a bit of bad feeling from the peasants.

:D :D
Well I'll soon know what its like to be a peasant (again):D
03/04/2007, 8:58 PM
kdjaC

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

its a cork city farce because FIFA have, inexplicably, decided its one rule for us and another for the rest? par for the course really, i suppose. you can't be this superior without a bit of bad feeling from the peasants.

How exactly?

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I think that's it's fair enough to block Healy's transfer, and I'm saying that as a Cork City supporter. In 2006 he played for Sunderland, Livingston, Barnsley and then Bradford, all in the one year! From April 3rd 2006 and to present, Cork City will be his 4th team. Same story with Farrelly; Bohs, Leicester, Blackpool and now Cork City.

Is this correct? I thought Cork were the 3rd team for each player, this is what the rule is designed to prevent ffs. Next you be saying week to week contracts are a good thing.

kdjac
04/04/2007, 11:17 AM
pete

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Originally Posted by kdjaC

Is this correct? I thought Cork were the 3rd team for each player, this is what the rule is designed to prevent ffs. Next you be saying week to week contracts are a good thing.

The FIFA rule is can only play for 2 teams between July 1st to June 30th. Healy would not be allowed to play for another team in the UK but cannot see how Farrelly being denied as he almost exactly the same as Mascherano. The only explanation is one rule for the big clubs (remember how Uefa changed the rules to allow Liverpool back in the CL which caused samller teams to be unseeded or moved into different qualifying rounds?)

:mad:
04/04/2007, 11:29 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

The platform for victory was build on an impenetrable defence, one which we assume frustrated the on-looking Mick McCarthy, and a Celtic scout, as much as it did the visitors. The Wolves manager and Celtic are keen on Roy O'Donovan, but the Cork striker was well shackled throughout. St Patrick's started cautiously as Cork surged forward, but a final ball was lacking. Indeed, O'Donovan cut a lonely figure up front and Stephen Brennan and Darragh Maguire had the striker's measure.

I can see Celtic putting in a bid for O'Donovan. They've been tracking him for months.
04/04/2007, 11:38 AM
charliesboots

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Originally Posted by pete

Tcannot see how Farrelly being denied as he almost exactly the same as Mascherano.

Not so Pete, the FIFA rule was designed to prevent players doing exactly what Farrelly did, play in in one league for the 2006 season, during that off-season play in a different league with a different season and then return to the other league with a different club when the 2007 season resumes. Mascherano's was nothing like that.
04/04/2007, 1:28 PM
CuanaD

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Originally Posted by GavinZac

if thats cheating, what exactly is attacking another player?

the clip doesnt bloody show anything, its not even in focus. as i said, whether or not roy milked it, it hardly changes the fact you havent addressed - junkie turned an innocuous challenge into an agressive attack.

Looking at the clips (2 angles) from a Ref's perspective, the Keeper waranted a yellow for a sholder to the chest reaction to a previous challenge.
The forward should also have received a yellow for ungentlemanly conduct - ie acting to try to influence the ref's decision.
Also, the initial challenge was a foul on the keeper & play should restart with a free out.

Them's the rules:ball:

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