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14/03/2007, 10:57 AM
EalingGreen

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Originally Posted by galwayhoop

i thought the last rankings came out after that 'tricky assignment against the team who will cause EVERYONE problems'. cud be totally wrong here but i didn't think either team played since last ones :confused:

but as ealing says on his other forum of choice class is permanent and form is temporary. expect us to overtake our provencial neighbours again shortly. would be much more concerned with the overall implications with regard to seedings for WC10 qualifiers than our position in relation to other countries/provences

I think you're correct that the ranking points gained from the victory in San Marino were included in the rankings for February. Otherwise, how else would you have overtaken NI* last month?
However, whilst you are correct in pointing out that these FIFA rankings are entirely separate from the process whereby WC 2010 seedings are decided, they still give a very rough indication, since it's very unlikely that e.g. a country will do very badly in friendlies (count for the rankings, but not WC seedings), but do very well in competitive matches (count for WC seedings as well)

* - If only for the (shortest) month ;)
14/03/2007, 10:58 AM
FarBeag

Well. I am sure its no surprise to anyone that we are so low in the rankings when we have to wait 94 minutes to beat a Sunday league team i.e. San Marino.NI deserve to be higher than us, at least they beat nationally recognised good football teams i.e. Spain. We have the players to be in the top 20 at least but alas we don't have anyone to guide them. Until this happens we will slip even further.
14/03/2007, 11:52 AM
geysir

Fifa's fantasy league has no relevance to seeding. In the real thing, the North are stuck as 5th seeds and we look stuck as 4th seeds. I'd rather look up than down.

21 C Israel 10 18 4 7 1.786
22 D Spain 10 20 3 3 1.770
23 D Bulgar. 10 15 4 8 1.649
24 D Ireland 10 17 5 7 1.600
25 D Finland 12 16 5 11 1.588
26 D Scotlnd 10 13 4 9 1.571
27 D Austria 10 15 1.500
28 D Bosnia 10 16 4 4 1.429
29 E Belgium 10 12 5 7 1.267
30 E Hungary10 14 4 3 1.214
31 E Latvia 12 15 3 3 1.200
32 E Sloven. 10 12 3 3 1.154
33 E N.Irel 10 9 4 7 1.143
14/03/2007, 12:19 PM
OwlsFan

51 ahead of us and 147 behind us (incldung Cyprus). Not bad ;)

I see our nemesis Switzerland are in 17th position.
14/03/2007, 12:31 PM
EalingGreen

Quote:

Originally Posted by geysir

Fifa's fantasy league has no relevance to seeding. In the real thing, the North are stuck as 5th seeds and we look stuck as 4th seeds. I'd rather look up than down.

True, but I'd rather still be moving up, than looking up...;)
14/03/2007, 12:33 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Well, no comment from me, anyhow...

http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statisti...ticleid=133499

(Well, OK, maybe a wee wink ;) )

These rankings are barely worth comment, certainly not discussion and will have no practical baring on our short term performances (or possibly lack of same) against Wales and Slovakia.

We don't need a ranking list to know we're playing poorly.

The rallying cry to the players won't be "Lads you've got to win the game for the sake of the rankings. Would somebody please consider the rankings!!!!!".
14/03/2007, 12:39 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

The rallying cry to the players won't be "Lads you've got to win the game for the sake of the rankings. Would somebody please consider the rankings!!!!!".

According to Delaney, it should have been the rallying cry a couple of years ago. :eek:

That and the FEAR in the eyes of the other team. Will Wales have fear in their eyes in 10 days time? That's the real measure of managerial ability.
14/03/2007, 12:46 PM
Wolfie

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Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

According to Delaney, it should have been the rallying cry a couple of years ago. :eek:

That and the FEAR in the eyes of the other team. Will Wales have fear in their eyes in 10 days time? That's the real measure of managerial ability.

Yep - I reckon Wales have little or no fear heading into this game and are quietly confident of a result.
14/03/2007, 2:01 PM
as_i_say

yeah but like seriously the north shouldnt even be on that list cos like its not a real country anyway y'know. Like.

they should be playing in this instead:

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/regionscup/index.html
14/03/2007, 2:33 PM
tricky_colour

We are only 5 places ahead of Burkina Faso, a place I didn't even know existed!!
14/03/2007, 2:36 PM
galwayhoop

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Originally Posted by as_i_say

they should be playing in this instead:

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/regionscup/index.html

02/11 Grp 7 Eastern Attica AMA (GRE) 3-0 San Marino AMA (SMR)

even Eastern Attica are spanking the San Marinonians :eek:
15/03/2007, 1:18 PM
Steve Bruce

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Originally Posted by as_i_say

yeah but like seriously the north shouldnt even be on that list cos like its not a real country anyway y'know. Like.

they should be playing in this instead:

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/regionscup/index.html

Why be political? I come on here with interest in LOI football and by and large I find the LOI fans a friendly bunch. But obviously the LOI has the same bigotry as we have in Northern Ireland.

And if you really knew your history, you would find that the Republic broke away from the 6 counties and not the other way round.

Also by your logic, Wales, England & Scotland shouldn't be in it either as they are exactly the same as Northern Ireland and are states of the United Kingdom.

But as I said, why bring politics into football?
15/03/2007, 1:21 PM
Steve Bruce

Quote:

Originally Posted by galwayhoop

02/11 Grp 7 Eastern Attica AMA (GRE) 3-0 San Marino AMA (SMR)

even Eastern Attica are spanking the San Marinonians :eek:

Your average LOI team would be spanking them. They only have 3 full-timers in the whole squad.
15/03/2007, 1:29 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Why be political? I come on here with interest in LOI football and by and large I find the LOI fans a friendly bunch. But obviously the LOI has the same bigotry as we have in Northern Ireland.

Obviously you missed As I Say's p�sstake by a country mile.

BTW, Ireland are in that tournament, drew with the Basques.
15/03/2007, 1:55 PM
as_i_say

Steve Bruce>>

ealing green likes to wax on about the north at the moment as they are only slightly less sh*te than they normally are.

debates are tolerated, bigotry isn't.

anyway if you wanna talk about the LOI, you're on the wrong forum!
15/03/2007, 2:16 PM
EalingGreen

Quote:

Originally Posted by as_i_say

Steve Bruce>>
ealing green likes to wax on about the north at the moment as they are only slightly less sh*te than they normally are.

Believe me, however good/bad we are at present, we're a whole lot less ****e than we were a wee while back! It's the bad times which make the good times all the sweeter.
I'm a fan now, was a fan in the bad days previously under McIlroy etc, a fan in the great days of the 80's under Bingham, and a fan in the 70's before that, when we were poor, but I thought we were great because I was only a boy!
I guess what I'm saying is that these things tend to come in cycles and it's one of the curiosities of football (imo) that the fortunes of neighbouring teams are often counter-cyclical.
Which is where the ROI comes in. As I see it, under Kerr and (arguably) McCarthy, things began to slip after your high point.
Consequently, whoever came in after Kerr was always going to have some remedial work to do, before getting the team back on an upward cycle. Unfortunately, instead of appointing the "teacher", the FAI appointed someone from the back of the remedial class!
And unless they act soon, poor Stan is going to drag the ROI so far down that whoever succeeds him will have a Herculean task ahead of him.

Anyhow, that's what I think - but only because I've seen exactly the same before with NI. Which is only what the FIFA Rankings, however imperfect, are saying....
15/03/2007, 2:29 PM
ifk101

So a win against Spain heralds the "good times". A bit premature, no?
15/03/2007, 2:36 PM
galwayhoop

good post ealing (..........either me or you must have a temperature today!!)

i think most people are in agreement as to what we needed, as regards a manager, and what we got are not one and the same.

you are right in your bad times V good times story. mcilroy - what was it 13 games without a goal? V sanchez - beating both england and spain in the space of a year (when did we last beat a top notch team in a qualifier - holland in 2001!).

personally i think the nordies are overperforming at the moment - and thats not a dig, just saying that ye are performing better than the sum of yer parts while we are seriously underperforming. maybe the gaffer can turn it around but the signs are not good.

and if he can't turn it around and we slip further we will need someone to come back and bring us all the way up from 5th or 6th seeds to some form of respectability (like what ye have got) - and those guys aren't on every bus!
15/03/2007, 2:54 PM
ifk101

Without question - the North's bunch is currently performing better than us and good for them. However I don't see the relevancy of these constant comparisons with the North. Our aspirations must be much higher than this. At the end of the day Stan has a group of players capable of qualifying for major tournaments, Lawrie Sanchez doesn't.
15/03/2007, 3:21 PM
EalingGreen

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Originally Posted by ifk101

So a win against Spain heralds the "good times". A bit premature, no?

I didn't actually claim these were the "good times" (though I'm more than happy with things at present).

What I posted was:

"Believe me, however good/bad we are at present, we're a whole lot less sh ite than we were a wee while back!"

And one win over Spain doesn't account for moving from a hundred and something in the FIFA rankings to 46th over the course of 30 months, either.

As the fans sing: "We used to be sh ite, but now we're all right" - no more, no less. :cool:

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