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12/02/2007, 3:28 PM
youngirish

I was only having a buzz. Is this site full of Irish Americans who don't get Irony?
12/02/2007, 3:33 PM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Nah just one of the few remaining grounded Ireland fans who hasn't been swept up in the fervour which the media wish to create.

I suggest you put your efforts into backing the team for the Wales and Slovakia games or if not, don't show up at all.

The media? are you for real???????
have you seen the results?
its people like you who will be the death of Irish football. you think you are being loyal to the team and a proper supporter. you are actually propping up a useless management team and pushing us further into decline. there was a great comparison in one of the papers the weekend between the way the football team is now and the way the rugby team was in the 90s. we stumble aimlessly from one game to the next getting the odd big performance that convinces the powers that be that we have turned the corner. we havent. the supporters need to make stauntons position untenable. he is way out of his depth.
12/02/2007, 4:23 PM
Beavis

Blinkered in the extreme? blind loyalty? the death of football? :rolleyes:

Cop yoursleves on for f*ck sake. God forbid I think its unreasonable that a manager could be sacked after 4 competetive games. It would happen at no level, club or international. I made no assessment about the long term future, I agree Stan is probably not equipped for the job, I merely stated that removing the manager now would have no benefit before the upcoming games.

As regards media, I am referring to the shift in the nature of the criticism in recent years (post-WC 2002 being the watershed but more severe in recent times IMO). A witch-hunt mentality now prevails. The media attack the person rather than their ability as manager/player and this attitude has transferred to the terraces. After the game last Wednesday, Damien Duff, one of our greatest players of all time, and a player who has never missed a game when available, was walking off the pitch when he was subject to a seething 'fan' cursing and screaming at him about how much of a f*ckin b*llox he was. By no means do I expect people to revere the manager and the players, I certainly don't, but what I witnessed in San Marino was unacceptable and IMO mainly as a result of tabloid goading. All I'm asking for is some perspective. As Paul McShane put it in the post-game interview, 'Nobody died'.
12/02/2007, 6:15 PM
Karlos

I'm sure I'll be hammered for agreeing with you but thank you for finally bringing a bit of sence to the proceedings. :ball:

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Blinkered in the extreme? blind loyalty? the death of football? rolleyes:

Cop yoursleves on for f*ck sake. God forbid I think its unreasonable that a manager could be sacked after 4 competetive games. It would happen at no level, club or international. I made no assessment about the long term future, I agree Stan is probably not equipped for the job, I merely stated that removing the manager now would have no benefit before the upcoming games.

As regards media, I am referring to the shift in the nature of the criticism in recent years (post-WC 2002 being the watershed but more severe in recent times IMO). A witch-hunt mentality now prevails. The media attack the person rather than their ability as manager/player and this attitude has transferred to the terraces. After the game last Wednesday, Damien Duff, one of our greatest players of all time, and a player who has never missed a game when available, was walking off the pitch when he was subject to a seething 'fan' cursing and screaming at him about how much of a f*ckin b*llox he was. By no means do I expect people to revere the manager and the players, I certainly don't, but what I witnessed in San Marino was unacceptable and IMO mainly as a result of tabloid goading. All I'm asking for is some perspective. As Paul McShane put it in the post-game interview, 'Nobody died'.
12/02/2007, 7:25 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Yeah, if I'm not a fan of baying for the blood of most capped player I must be FAI.:rolleyes:

I didnt realise it had become so inappropriate to want to get behind your team in times of predicament. My mistake, I apologise and sorry for wasting your valuable time. I wont keep you from your daily Sun any longer.

did you jump and clap when ireland scored that injury time goal?:rolleyes:
12/02/2007, 7:31 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Beavis

. After the game last Wednesday, Damien Duff, one of our greatest players of all time, and a player who has never missed a game when available, was walking off the pitch when he was subject to a seething 'fan' cursing and screaming at him about how much of a f*ckin b*llox he was. By no means do I expect people to revere the manager and the players, I certainly don't, but what I witnessed in San Marino was unacceptable and IMO mainly as a result of tabloid goading. All I'm asking for is some perspective. As Paul McShane put it in the post-game interview, 'Nobody died'.

duff is a ****, he can go **** himself

i support the team, by paying for the expensive tickets, and travelling all over the world to see them, if they think its no big deal to only beat parttimers 2-1, then im sorry but thats horse****
13/02/2007, 12:07 AM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Cop yoursleves on for f*ck sake. God forbid I think its unreasonable that a manager could be sacked after 4 competetive games. It would happen at no level, club or international. I made no assessment about the long term future, I agree Stan is probably not equipped for the job, I merely stated that removing the manager now would have no benefit before the upcoming games.

If you agree he is not equipped for the job why do you want him in the job?:confused:

There is a good chance slovakia could inflict a hiding on us in croker as they did to the welsh if we keep goin the way we are going. Someone needs to be brought in who knows what he is doing.

As for your self and Karlos' comments on the media. There has been plenty of reasoned and intelligent analysis of stauntons reign. ignoring this and taking the worst examples from the tabloids and then blaming "the meedia" for a witchhunt is just a case of shooting the messenger. the media didnt go out and get hammered by cyprus and holland and then scrape a win against a bunch of partimers.
13/02/2007, 2:12 AM
theworm2345

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I was only having a buzz. Is this site full of Irish Americans who don't get Irony?

Hey what about us without much Irish ancestry (1/16th I believe) who dont get irony either?
13/02/2007, 3:20 AM
ramondo

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Nah just one of the few remaining grounded Ireland fans who hasn't been swept up in the fervour which the media wish to create.

Erm, I think you'll find most of the "fervour" has been "swept up" from ordinary fans who are looking at the manager and shaking their heads at his obvious incompetence.

In fact, talking about the media, when is a journalist going to be brave enough to stand up and ask him to do the decent thing and resign? Compared to the fans, you could say they've been restrained.
13/02/2007, 8:41 AM
Dr. Ogba

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Originally Posted by Beavis

After the game last Wednesday, Damien Duff, one of our greatest players of all time, and a player who has never missed a game when available, was walking off the pitch when he was subject to a seething 'fan' cursing and screaming at him about how much of a f*ckin b*llox he was. By no means do I expect people to revere the manager and the players, I certainly don't, but what I witnessed in San Marino was unacceptable and IMO mainly as a result of tabloid goading. All I'm asking for is some perspective. As Paul McShane put it in the post-game interview, 'Nobody died'.

This is the only point of yours I'll agree on, the rest is just sh*te, Staunton has to go because its plainly obvious he doesn't have a clue...end of....
13/02/2007, 11:08 AM
Beavis

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

did you jump and clap when ireland scored that injury time goal?:rolleyes:

Of course I did.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

duff is a ****, he can go **** himself

You are a joke, mate.

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

If you agree he is not equipped for the job why do you want him in the job?

I think that he probably isnt the man for it but I believe he deserves a fair chance to prove us wrong. 4 competetive games does not constitute a fair chance.

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

There is a good chance slovakia could inflict a hiding on us in croker as they did to the welsh if we keep goin the way we are going. Someone needs to be brought in who knows what he is doing.

I believe keeping the current set-up in place for the 2 March qualifiers will have more of positive effect that replacing it. This was the case for the Czech game, which we played well in and should have won, and I think we will get the desired response again.

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

As for your self and Karlos' comments on the media. There has been plenty of reasoned and intelligent analysis of stauntons reign. ignoring this and taking the worst examples from the tabloids and then blaming "the meedia" for a witchhunt is just a case of shooting the messenger. the media didnt go out and get hammered by cyprus and holland and then scrape a win against a bunch of partimers.

Yes it is totally acceptable for us to be discontented. The manner in which we now express that discontent is not. 'The worst examples from the tabloids' are what stretch the bounds of what is acceptable, bring personal assailment into the norm, and in some way manipulate the reaction of people like my friend in San Marino, changing the post-game reaction from 'that was b*llox' to 'you're a b*llox'.
13/02/2007, 9:46 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by Beavis

I think that he probably isnt the man for it but I believe he deserves a fair chance to prove us wrong. 4 competetive games does not constitute a fair chance.

Yes it is totally acceptable for us to be discontented. The manner in which we now express that discontent is not. 'The worst examples from the tabloids' are what stretch the bounds of what is acceptable, bring personal assailment into the norm, and in some way manipulate the reaction of people like my friend in San Marino, changing the post-game reaction from 'that was b*llox' to 'you're a b*llox'.

5 comp games: Lose to a Cyprus, let in 5 goals to Cyprus
nearly draw with the worst team in europe
lost to germany (i would have went with a 4-5-1), who could have hammered us if they had put the gas on
draw with czech team, concede a shi t goal, missed a good chance to get 3 points

oh yeah sorry we beat san marino 5- 0
bet you jumped around like a maniac after this result

Stan is a ******
13/02/2007, 11:26 PM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by Beavis

I think that he probably isnt the man for it but I believe he deserves a fair chance to prove us wrong. 4 competetive games does not constitute a fair chance.

Why does he deserve a fair chance? there has not been any evidance to suggest he can turn it around

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Originally Posted by Beavis

I believe keeping the current set-up in place for the 2 March qualifiers will have more of positive effect that replacing it. This was the case for the Czech game, which we played well in and should have won, and I think we will get the desired response again.

but is that any basis for to go about our business? will we always need a bad result to get a decent performance out of his teams?

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Yes it is totally acceptable for us to be discontented. The manner in which we now express that discontent is not. 'The worst examples from the tabloids' are what stretch the bounds of what is acceptable, bring personal assailment into the norm, and in some way manipulate the reaction of people like my friend in San Marino, changing the post-game reaction from 'that was b*llox' to 'you're a b*llox'.

Yeah you are right but its a total red herring. should we all behave like decent human beings? of course. Does the manager need to go before we put in any more of the worst Irish performances in living memory? of course.

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